But Can We Admit the Fact That...

[Gandalf]

All of the fights you mentioned resulted in a KO/TKO so of course they were better fights. The other fighters tried to win not tried to finish the fight on their feet like Haye.

Ok, first I will adress this.
Will someone please explain to me the logic that "If a fight ends in KO/TKO, it is a better fight"?
That is an opinion. Specifically, that is your opinion and I am sure that many share this opinion.
However, it is not a fact.

A fight is not necessarily better simply because it ends in a KO/TKO.
For example, sometimes a KO happens almost completely by luck, or accident.
So you would be saying that a fight in which a lucky KO happens is better than say... if there was a highly skilled bout that went to the cards. Or perhaps a fight bedtween 2 tough fighters who simply refused to quit or go down.

So, I hope I beat that horse enough.

But the guy didn't even try to win. I have no idea what horse you are even trying to beat here. It was a crap showing from a now proven mediocre HW.

It was utter crap and there is nothing wrong with telling it how it was.

Almost everyone in the world thinks he sucked except for you, doesn't that make you think a little?

You see, thats just it Miles. I AM thinking. And some of us are refusing to do so.
So I will repeat what point I was trying to make in the post you replied to.
Hunter said that the fights I mentioned ended in KO/TKO, therefore they were better fights, and I pointed out to him that just because a fight ends in KO/TKO does not mean it is a better fight. It is simply his opinion, probably because he personally likes to see KOs, but that does not mean his personal opinion about what makes a fight good is fact.

Now Miles, as to your point, in Haye's non effort, he gave Wlad a better fight than the other oponents which I listed who did try. Do you see what Im getting at now?
It means the fight which you are complaining about is in reality, a better showing than previous opponents even though Haye didnt give a 100% effort.

I get your point, but it was just such a negative display. I can't give Haye any credit for it. Early on I thought it was decent, but Haye just seemed to give up once he felt some power. It was survival mode and the same thing he has criticised everyone else for. As boxing fans we are quite harsh people, we want to see people go out on their swords. It isn't nice, but it earns respect and it is why top boxers earn so much money. They are expected to give their all. Haye didn't do that and so people are pissed, that's all. I'm sure you see that.