Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I fail to see how you can truly dispute the neutrality of an anti-doping organisation

Can anyone help me out here...? What is there to dispute? The fact that they might forge the results The fact that they aren't acting upon the requests of Mr. Arum himself? I don't get it.

What request?

"We have agreed in the Pacquiao camp to unlimited random testing done by a responsible, neutral organization," Arum told Yahoo. "We don't believe USADA is a neutral organization.

Tells you all you need to know

I fail to see how you can truly dispute the neutrality of an anti-doping organisation

Can anyone help me out here...? What is there to dispute? The fact that they might forge the results The fact that they aren't acting upon the requests of Mr. Arum himself? I don't get it.

You can't dispute it, and that's why it's a completely bullshit arguement to keep pacroid away from testing and floyd mayweather.

I have to be honest. I am now one of those who believe that it is Arum keeping this fight from happening.

[fan johnny]

I fail to see how you can truly dispute the neutrality of an anti-doping organisation

Can anyone help me out here...? What is there to dispute? The fact that they might forge the results The fact that they aren't acting upon the requests of Mr. Arum himself? I don't get it.

What request?

"We have agreed in the Pacquiao camp to unlimited random testing done by a responsible, neutral organization," Arum told Yahoo. "We don't believe USADA is a neutral organization.

Tells you all you need to know

I fail to see how you can truly dispute the neutrality of an anti-doping organisation

Can anyone help me out here...? What is there to dispute? The fact that they might forge the results The fact that they aren't acting upon the requests of Mr. Arum himself? I don't get it.

You can't dispute it, and that's why it's a completely bullshit arguement to keep pacroid away from testing and floyd mayweather.

I have to be honest. I am now one of those who believe that it is Arum keeping this fight from happening.

I know this sounds pretty anal but first off in their negotiations, the request is that of the Mayweather camp. NSAC is the governing authority for the anti-doping testing. I believe the news about Arums comments is his attempt to do future negotiations and public relations damage control due to Michael Konz comments.

I'm not sure what Arum's beef is with USADA but I've pointed out the obvious conflict of interest of using an organization that has everything to gain by using high profile athletes in order to get the attention it needs to show it is leading the fight on Anti-doping. Thus the organization gains more points toward getting their federal grant money renewed. There is also the possibility that that Arum objects to GBP's in its venture to gain control over 'boxing' has personal ties to Oscar. i.e. "travis tygart" is supposedly a golfing buddy of Oscar. If neither of these is Arum's problem is, I am with you.

If you bring in an outside agency to work with NSAC to do the additional requests by the Mayweather camp, there is no issue with political lobbing or personal ties that could promote corruption. Thus Arums term "neutral party".

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Meh... Bob shoulda took up Golf then

[Hornfinger]

The 'beef' with USADA is simple. They want to test pacquiao's blood.

There won't be ANY organisation deemed 'neutral' the fight ain't gonna happen.

[JazMerkin]

This also raises the interesting question of what happened in the 2nd negotiations & testing no longer being an issue. I mean aside from Koncz saying that they still wanted a 14 day cut off the day after Arum gave this interview, the fact was Arum claimed they'd agreed to all Mayweather's terms, which you would assume meant USADA overseeing the testing. His argument seems to be that because Pacquiao is Filipino, he can't get a fair shake from USADA. As he also clearly hasn't from any of the American refs, judges & commissions he's fought under.

There's too many vague statements, the thing about who they report to is odd. He says & I quote "USADA tests these two fighters and the Nevada State Athletic Commission is responsible for the fight. So, if one of the fighters is tested dirty, what can happen?"

Seriously?? What should happen if any athlete tests dirty in the build-up to the fight? I'd assume they get tested again & if it is again dirty, the fight is cancelled as surely taking PEDs invalidates the contract.

Also this vague statement about the Olympic Organisation, presumably means he wants WADA to be in charge of testing. Having read up on it, USADA uses the same rulebook, the World Anti-Doping Code that was devised by WADA. This is by & large implemented on a country by country basis, so over here we have the UKAD who test the GB team & footballers from the EPL.

But surely the most obvious thing that makes Arum's point moot is this from WADA's website.

"National Anti-Doping Organizations (NADOs) are responsible for testing national athletes in- and out-of-competition, as well as athletes from other countries competing within that nation’s borders; adjudicating anti-doping rules violations; and anti-doping education."

Guess who that is?

"The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization for the Olympic movement in the United States. The U.S. Congress recognizes USADA as "the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States."

I mean if it takes me 20 minutes to read up on this & for it to be clear, how hard is it for Arum?

This confirms for me what I've long suspected. It is not Manny Pacquiao holding up the fight (because I believe he's in no way afraid) & it is not Floyd Mayweather (ditto).

It's this stupid old cunt.

[Hornfinger]

NEITHER FIGHTER SHOULD TEST DIRTY.

THEY BOTH KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE TESTED SO NEITHER SHOULD HAVE ANYTHING THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE A FAIL IN THEIR SYSTEMS.

It always seems to be pac's team that is worried about failing doesn't it.......

[imp]

NEITHER FIGHTER SHOULD TEST DIRTY.

THEY BOTH KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE TESTED SO NEITHER SHOULD HAVE ANYTHING THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE A FAIL IN THEIR SYSTEMS.
It always seems to be pac's team that is worried about failing doesn't it.......

Go figure. 

Bob arum had both fighters..he knows floyd will beat pac deep down. All he has to do is agree to the tests..but he cant bribe the olympic commitee like his done to so many in the past..check his history.. Hes a crook.

[Hornfinger]

NEITHER FIGHTER SHOULD TEST DIRTY.

THEY BOTH KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE TESTED SO NEITHER SHOULD HAVE ANYTHING THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE A FAIL IN THEIR SYSTEMS.
It always seems to be pac's team that is worried about failing doesn't it.......

Go figure. 

Bob arum had both fighters..he knows floyd will beat pac deep down. All he has to do is agree to the tests..but he cant bribe the olympic commitee like his done to so many in the past..check his history.. Hes a crook.

The thread title is wrong really, because team pacquiao haven't agreed to floyds 'demands' They still won't take the tests, their new excuse being the testing organization. Pathetic.

[Andre]

This also raises the interesting question of what happened in the 2nd negotiations & testing no longer being an issue. I mean aside from Koncz saying that they still wanted a 14 day cut off the day after Arum gave this interview, the fact was Arum claimed they'd agreed to all Mayweather's terms, which you would assume meant USADA overseeing the testing. His argument seems to be that because Pacquiao is Filipino, he can't get a fair shake from USADA. As he also clearly hasn't from any of the American refs, judges & commissions he's fought under.

There's too many vague statements, the thing about who they report to is odd. He says & I quote "USADA tests these two fighters and the Nevada State Athletic Commission is responsible for the fight. So, if one of the fighters is tested dirty, what can happen?"

Seriously?? What should happen if any athlete tests dirty in the build-up to the fight? I'd assume they get tested again & if it is again dirty, the fight is cancelled as surely taking PEDs invalidates the contract.

Also this vague statement about the Olympic Organisation, presumably means he wants WADA to be in charge of testing. Having read up on it, USADA uses the same rulebook, the World Anti-Doping Code that was devised by WADA. This is by & large implemented on a country by country basis, so over here we have the UKAD who test the GB team & footballers from the EPL.

But surely the most obvious thing that makes Arum's point moot is this from WADA's website.

"National Anti-Doping Organizations (NADOs) are responsible for testing national athletes in- and out-of-competition, as well as athletes from other countries competing within that nation’s borders; adjudicating anti-doping rules violations; and anti-doping education."

Guess who that is?

"The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization for the Olympic movement in the United States. The U.S. Congress recognizes USADA as "the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States."

I mean if it takes me 20 minutes to read up on this & for it to be clear, how hard is it for Arum?

This confirms for me what I've long suspected. It is not Manny Pacquiao holding up the fight (because I believe he's in no way afraid) & it is not Floyd Mayweather (ditto).

It's this stupid old cunt.

Yep. and once it hits the world news that the two top fighters in the world have settled out of court over a defamation suit and that they had a heated verbal altercation outside the court before agreeing to a 12 round fight in a oversize ring in over sized gloves as a deal to not blood test 10 days out from the fight; over half the worlds population will buy it.

Then they'll fight,sort of.

[Hornfinger]

This also raises the interesting question of what happened in the 2nd negotiations & testing no longer being an issue. I mean aside from Koncz saying that they still wanted a 14 day cut off the day after Arum gave this interview, the fact was Arum claimed they'd agreed to all Mayweather's terms, which you would assume meant USADA overseeing the testing. His argument seems to be that because Pacquiao is Filipino, he can't get a fair shake from USADA. As he also clearly hasn't from any of the American refs, judges & commissions he's fought under.

There's too many vague statements, the thing about who they report to is odd. He says & I quote "USADA tests these two fighters and the Nevada State Athletic Commission is responsible for the fight. So, if one of the fighters is tested dirty, what can happen?"

Seriously?? What should happen if any athlete tests dirty in the build-up to the fight? I'd assume they get tested again & if it is again dirty, the fight is cancelled as surely taking PEDs invalidates the contract.

Also this vague statement about the Olympic Organisation, presumably means he wants WADA to be in charge of testing. Having read up on it, USADA uses the same rulebook, the World Anti-Doping Code that was devised by WADA. This is by & large implemented on a country by country basis, so over here we have the UKAD who test the GB team & footballers from the EPL.

But surely the most obvious thing that makes Arum's point moot is this from WADA's website.

"National Anti-Doping Organizations (NADOs) are responsible for testing national athletes in- and out-of-competition, as well as athletes from other countries competing within that nation’s borders; adjudicating anti-doping rules violations; and anti-doping education."

Guess who that is?

"The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization for the Olympic movement in the United States. The U.S. Congress recognizes USADA as "the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States."

I mean if it takes me 20 minutes to read up on this & for it to be clear, how hard is it for Arum?

This confirms for me what I've long suspected. It is not Manny Pacquiao holding up the fight (because I believe he's in no way afraid) & it is not Floyd Mayweather (ditto).

It's this stupid old cunt.

Yep. and once it hits the world news that the two top fighters in the world have settled out of court over a defamation suit and that they had a heated verbal altercation outside the court before agreeing to a 12 round fight in a oversize ring in over sized gloves as a deal to not blood test 10 days out from the fight; over half the worlds population will buy it.

Then they'll fight,sort of.

[fan johnny]

This also raises the interesting question of what happened in the 2nd negotiations & testing no longer being an issue. I mean aside from Koncz saying that they still wanted a 14 day cut off the day after Arum gave this interview, the fact was Arum claimed they'd agreed to all Mayweather's terms, which you would assume meant USADA overseeing the testing. His argument seems to be that because Pacquiao is Filipino, he can't get a fair shake from USADA. As he also clearly hasn't from any of the American refs, judges & commissions he's fought under.

There's too many vague statements, the thing about who they report to is odd. He says & I quote "USADA tests these two fighters and the Nevada State Athletic Commission is responsible for the fight. So, if one of the fighters is tested dirty, what can happen?"

Seriously?? What should happen if any athlete tests dirty in the build-up to the fight? I'd assume they get tested again & if it is again dirty, the fight is cancelled as surely taking PEDs invalidates the contract.

Also this vague statement about the Olympic Organisation, presumably means he wants WADA to be in charge of testing. Having read up on it, USADA uses the same rulebook, the World Anti-Doping Code that was devised by WADA. This is by & large implemented on a country by country basis, so over here we have the UKAD who test the GB team & footballers from the EPL.

But surely the most obvious thing that makes Arum's point moot is this from WADA's website.

"National Anti-Doping Organizations (NADOs) are responsible for testing national athletes in- and out-of-competition, as well as athletes from other countries competing within that nation’s borders; adjudicating anti-doping rules violations; and anti-doping education."

Guess who that is?

"The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization for the Olympic movement in the United States. The U.S. Congress recognizes USADA as "the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States."

I mean if it takes me 20 minutes to read up on this & for it to be clear, how hard is it for Arum?

This confirms for me what I've long suspected. It is not Manny Pacquiao holding up the fight (because I believe he's in no way afraid) & it is not Floyd Mayweather (ditto).

It's this stupid old cunt.

Not that many actually do, but you obviously don't understand the hierarchy of how the judicial and legislation systems works in the US. The other thing you fail to realize is that Arum is a Harvard graduate and is board a certified Lawyer with experience in the USDJ otherwise you wouldn't be calling him stupid. Typically legal terms are specifically designed to be vague so that it leaves room for interpretation from each side of an argument.

The use of USADA or WADA as a third parties to administer anti-doping testing of a specif event is not the same thing. Arum point is valid. USADA and WADA are completely different organizations, they have different goals as organizations and exist due to different circumstances. WADA's funds are basically guaranteed, while USADA's funds could end at the next grant decision.

[JazMerkin]

Not that many actually do, but you obviously don't understand the hierarchy of how the judicial and legislation systems works in the US. The other thing you fail to realize is that Arum is a Harvard graduate and is board a certified Lawyer with experience in the USDJ otherwise you wouldn't be calling him stupid. Typically legal terms are specifically designed to be vague so that it leaves room for interpretation from each side of an argument.

The use of USADA or WADA as a third parties to administer anti-doping testing of a specif event is not the same thing. Arum point is valid. USADA and WADA are completely different organizations, they have different goals as organizations and exist due to different circumstances. WADA's funds are basically guaranteed, while USADA's funds could end at the next grant decision.

Wow, yeah I've no idea how the judicial system works particularly on an English common-law principle which both our countries use. I'm well aware that Arum studied law at Harvard, it gets mentioned in every other article about him. But, clearly you're quite protective of Cuddly Ol' Unkie Bob, so would you rather I substitute stupid (which imo has no relation to somebody's educational achievements) with lying? Corrupt? Filthy? Let me know which one is appropriate.

You're second paragraph is similarly vague. They are different organisations, but are their goals really different? They both seem to be heavily in the ethos of preventing cheating in sport. Sounds like the same goal to me. The point is that if Arum gives the contract to WADA, they will simply assign it to USADA as the designated NADO for the US. You're talking about funds & how they exist to fudge the issue, but you're not saying why WADA are ok, but USADA are somehow corrupt?

[fan johnny]

Not that many actually do, but you obviously don't understand the hierarchy of how the judicial and legislation systems works in the US. The other thing you fail to realize is that Arum is a Harvard graduate and is board a certified Lawyer with experience in the USDJ otherwise you wouldn't be calling him stupid. Typically legal terms are specifically designed to be vague so that it leaves room for interpretation from each side of an argument.

The use of USADA or WADA as a third parties to administer anti-doping testing of a specif event is not the same thing. Arum point is valid. USADA and WADA are completely different organizations, they have different goals as organizations and exist due to different circumstances. WADA's funds are basically guaranteed, while USADA's funds could end at the next grant decision.

Wow, yeah I've no idea how the judicial system works particularly on an English common-law principle which both our countries use. I'm well aware that Arum studied law at Harvard, it gets mentioned in every other article about him. But, clearly you're quite protective of Cuddly Ol' Unkie Bob, so would you rather I substitute stupid (which imo has no relation to somebody's educational achievements) with lying? Corrupt? Filthy? Let me know which one is appropriate.

You're second paragraph is similarly vague. They are different organisations, but are their goals really different? They both seem to be heavily in the ethos of preventing cheating in sport. Sounds like the same goal to me. The point is that if Arum gives the contract to WADA, they will simply assign it to USADA as the designated NADO for the US. You're talking about funds & how they exist to fudge the issue, but you're not saying why WADA are ok, but USADA are somehow corrupt?

I could not agree more that Bob is a corrupt lying greedy man.

Arum already stated he has reservations about USADA's travis tygart. Where have you ever heard an Athlete refereed to as "the clean athlete"? That actually implies other Athlete(s) are dirty. If he had said "He has always tested clean" or "He never tested positive" it wouldn't imply anything. I don't care what agency does testing it's all redundant anyway because NSAC does just fine. Now when you have to prove your worth to congress in order to survive financially vs just concentrate on implementing policy, I'd say they have different goals. WADA is a staple organization not having to worry about budget.

A little reading material:
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/progs/pla.../jenkins08.pdf

I'd also say when you have to ask for twice the annual grant as a budget to go after high profile athletes, you have altered your agenda. (They started with an initial two million dollar grant budget 2002.) Every athlete should be treated exactly the same when it comes to testing and prosecuting. They sound like some high priced attorney looking to make a name not an anti-doping agency.