Any final thoughts on Wlad vs Haye?

[erics44]

It was disappointing.

I knew both fighters styles going into the fight but i really thought Haye would take it to Wladimir as soon as the bell rang because surely he didn't think he could beat him by trying to land one big shot and/or outbox him.

Obviously he did think he could, which resulted in an over cautious boring technical boxing match.

Haye talked the talk, but certainly didn't walk the walk.

It didn't help that he tried to blame it all on his baby toe either.

I know people will say Klitschko didn't make the fight exciting either but the way i see it, Haye was the challenger and he did alot more talking than Wlad did so the pressure was on him and basically......... he didn't deliver.

wlad also promised to KO haye on plenty of occasions and punish him for 12 rounds and KO him at the end

it was also in germany which is wlads boxing home with the majority of fans in the stadium wlads

lets be honest, haye didnt deliver but it wasnt a boring fight just because of haye, wlad had all the advantages and boxed just as cautious as ever

lets hope the klits retire soon and we might then start to get some excitement back in the HWs

[Pugilistic]

It was disappointing.

I knew both fighters styles going into the fight but i really thought Haye would take it to Wladimir as soon as the bell rang because surely he didn't think he could beat him by trying to land one big shot and/or outbox him.

Obviously he did think he could, which resulted in an over cautious boring technical boxing match.

Haye talked the talk, but certainly didn't walk the walk.

It didn't help that he tried to blame it all on his baby toe either.

I know people will say Klitschko didn't make the fight exciting either but the way i see it, Haye was the challenger and he did alot more talking than Wlad did so the pressure was on him and basically......... he didn't deliver.

wlad also promised to KO haye on plenty of occasions and punish him for 12 rounds and KO him at the end

it was also in germany which is wlads boxing home with the majority of fans in the stadium wlads

lets be honest, haye didnt deliver but it wasnt a boring fight just because of haye, wlad had all the advantages and boxed just as cautious as ever

lets hope the klits retire soon and we might then start to get some excitement back in the HWs

I wrote that Wlad talked also, The problem is Haye did alot more talking, alot more.

Haye was the challenger and didn't take it to Wlad surely knowing it would be much harder to outbox Wlad and especially get a decision in Germany.

Wlad could of done more but he wasn't out there to prove he was better than Haye, we already knew he was.

The division isn't poor because of the Klitschkos either. It's poor because most heavyweights today simply suck. They are either unfit or unskilled or both.

I know the Klitschko's aren't necessarily exciting but at least they bring class to the division. You know that when you watch the klitschkos, you know you are going to see world class boxers, not the crap that most of the division has today.

[Mars_ax]

It was disappointing.

I knew both fighters styles going into the fight but i really thought Haye would take it to Wladimir as soon as the bell rang because surely he didn't think he could beat him by trying to land one big shot and/or outbox him.

Obviously he did think he could, which resulted in an over cautious boring technical boxing match.

Haye talked the talk, but certainly didn't walk the walk.

It didn't help that he tried to blame it all on his baby toe either.

I know people will say Klitschko didn't make the fight exciting either but the way i see it, Haye was the challenger and he did alot more talking than Wlad did so the pressure was on him and basically......... he didn't deliver.

wlad also promised to KO haye on plenty of occasions and punish him for 12 rounds and KO him at the end

it was also in germany which is wlads boxing home with the majority of fans in the stadium wlads

lets be honest, haye didnt deliver but it wasnt a boring fight just because of haye, wlad had all the advantages and boxed just as cautious as ever

lets hope the klits retire soon and we might then start to get some excitement back in the HWs

I wrote that Wlad talked also, The problem is Haye did alot more talking, alot more.

Haye was the challenger and didn't take it to Wlad surely knowing it would be much harder to outbox Wlad and especially get a decision in Germany.

Wlad could of done more but he wasn't out there to prove he was better than Haye, we already knew he was.

The division isn't poor because of the Klitschkos either. It's poor because most heavyweights today simply suck. They are either unfit or unskilled or both.

I know the Klitschko's aren't necessarily exciting but at least they bring class to the division. You know that when you watch the klitschkos, you know you are going to see world class boxers, not the crap that most of the division has today.

Exactly, what I always say is, if you think the HW division is bad now, try to imagine what it would be like without the Klitschko Brothers.

[erics44]

Exactly, what I always say is, if you think the HW division is bad now, try to imagine what it would be like without the Klitschko Brothers.

perhaps less skill but definately more entertainment

[Mars_ax]

Exactly, what I always say is, if you think the HW division is bad now, try to imagine what it would be like without the Klitschko Brothers.

perhaps less skill but definately more entertainment

Not necessarily either, logically, if you take away the K-Bros, and who have you really got from the rest of the division that's going to provide better fights and/or entertainment. The Klitschko Bros are over criticized, under-appreciated, and will be sorely missed by boxing and the HW division when they're gone.

[erics44]

Exactly, what I always say is, if you think the HW division is bad now, try to imagine what it would be like without the Klitschko Brothers.

perhaps less skill but definately more entertainment

Not necessarily either, logically, if you take away the K-Bros, and who have you really got from the rest of the division that's going to provide better fights and/or entertainment. The Klitschko Bros are over criticized, under-appreciated, and will be sorely missed by boxing and the HW division when they're gone.

thats not really logical, its valid opinion but one i disagree with

My opinion is if you take away the klit bros then the fighters below would then become the top HWs and would be more evenly matched, and there is a chance that an agressive fighter emerges as the top dog

I disagree with your last sentence also, their skill as the best HWs around is widely recognised, Vitali perhaps is over critisized Wlad isnt, he fights over cautious and deserves to be critisized for it, and the HW situation is the most dull it has been in history and that is at large portion due to wlad's style, so the people who dont appreciate this are well within their rights

have you honestly enjoyed a HW title fight involving wlad in the last 5 years?

[boozeboxer]

Without Klit brothers this era would truly suck. How could it be entertaining whenever all the guys besides the Brothers, Adamek, and Hayes are out-of-shape or 50 year old shot up fighters.

Truly someone name 5 guys under 40 that aren't fat as fuck and that truly come to fight? And yes, Areolla is a fat fuck. I'll give you Lyakovich I guess.


How can anyone claim to be a professional boxer, yet come in 60-80 pounds overweight? Baffles me. Not only that, but we are talking about James TOney (who actually had skill), we are talking about fat fucks without skill.

[Mars_ax]

Exactly, what I always say is, if you think the HW division is bad now, try to imagine what it would be like without the Klitschko Brothers.

perhaps less skill but definately more entertainment

Not necessarily either, logically, if you take away the K-Bros, and who have you really got from the rest of the division that's going to provide better fights and/or entertainment. The Klitschko Bros are over criticized, under-appreciated, and will be sorely missed by boxing and the HW division when they're gone.

thats not really logical, its valid opinion but one i disagree with

My opinion is if you take away the klit bros then the fighters below would then become the top HWs and would be more evenly matched, and there is a chance that an agressive fighter emerges as the top dog

I disagree with your last sentence also, their skill as the best HWs around is widely recognised, Vitali perhaps is over critisized Wlad isnt, he fights over cautious and deserves to be critisized for it, and the HW situation is the most dull it has been in history and that is at large portion due to wlad's style, so the people who dont appreciate this are well within their rights

have you honestly enjoyed a HW title fight involving wlad in the last 5 years?

Yes I have enjoyed some of Wlad's fights, and look Eric, I don't want to debate this topic with you, but if you think the HW division is dull now, don't take my word for it, just wait until the K-bros are gone. As for this being the dullest era in HW history, that just lets me know, that you know fuck all about HW boxing history.

I hope this helps.

[Rantcatrat]

Hey Erics44, you do agree, right that Haye's fights at heavyweight haven't been entertaining (to the casual fan) either. Three of his 5 fights weren't entertaining at all. He was a much more entertaining cruiserweight. So, given that we can both agree Haye isn't an entertaining heavyweight, what you are saying in essence is that you'd rather see Fury, Arreola, Adamek, Chambers, and Povetkin fight it out?

[erics44]

2 out of 5 is a lot bigger proportion than none out of 10 (or whatever wlad has had in the last 5 years)

i also asked you a question which you seem to have avoided

which wlad fight have you enjoyed in the last 5 years?

I'm not avoiding anything, it's just pointless to discuss this with you.

But for what it's worth, I was entertained by Wlad's fights vs: Chris Byrd II, Calvin Brock, Ray Austin, Lamon Brewster II, and Sam Peter II, i'm not saying they were great fights, but I enjoyed them, and I thought a few of the KO's were exciting as well.

So what now Erics, more of your brainless puerile drivel?

you said i was avoiding when i proved i wasnt, so i said you was avoiding, just giving you back what you gave me

you enjoyed the KO or you enjoyed the fight?

and you keep saying you dont want to discuss it with me but it was you who started the conversation with me

I'm happy to continue making you look a cunt if you want?

Alright, that's what I figured, just more brainless puerile drivel, back on permanent ignore for you.

look man, i cant have a conversation with you, as soon as you disagree with anything anyone says or anyone disagrees with you you get all upset and start throwing round abuse

I am having a conversation with rantcatrat now on this thread and we both obviously have different opinions but noone is upset or abusing anyone

this is only the internet fella, just relax

[erics44]

I wrote that Wlad talked also, The problem is Haye did alot more talking, alot more.

Haye was the challenger and didn't take it to Wlad surely knowing it would be much harder to outbox Wlad and especially get a decision in Germany.

Wlad could of done more but he wasn't out there to prove he was better than Haye, we already knew he was.

The division isn't poor because of the Klitschkos either. It's poor because most heavyweights today simply suck. They are either unfit or unskilled or both.

I know the Klitschko's aren't necessarily exciting but at least they bring class to the division. You know that when you watch the klitschkos, you know you are going to see world class boxers, not the crap that most of the division has today.

the HW division is extremely dull and yes there isnt that much competition but the main champion is a dull fighter, far too cautious to ever be in a good fight, so i'd say its a mixture of the lack of tallent and the style of the champion

even in a division void of tallent a tyson as champ would be much more entertaining

we wont have any entertainment in the division until the klits retire

and yes haye probably did more talking but wlad did his fair share and also didnt do as he had promised (there was a period of at least a few weeks in the build up where haye said very little and wlad was doing all the trashing)

and i dont agree that because haye was the challenger he had to do more, he just had to do what he felt would win the fight didnt he?

[Pugilistic]

I wrote that Wlad talked also, The problem is Haye did alot more talking, alot more.

Haye was the challenger and didn't take it to Wlad surely knowing it would be much harder to outbox Wlad and especially get a decision in Germany.

Wlad could of done more but he wasn't out there to prove he was better than Haye, we already knew he was.

The division isn't poor because of the Klitschkos either. It's poor because most heavyweights today simply suck. They are either unfit or unskilled or both.

I know the Klitschko's aren't necessarily exciting but at least they bring class to the division. You know that when you watch the klitschkos, you know you are going to see world class boxers, not the crap that most of the division has today.

the HW division is extremely dull and yes there isnt that much competition but the main champion is a dull fighter, far too cautious to ever be in a good fight, so i'd say its a mixture of the lack of tallent and the style of the champion

even in a division void of tallent a tyson as champ would be much more entertaining

we wont have any entertainment in the division until the klits retire

and yes haye probably did more talking but wlad did his fair share and also didnt do as he had promised (there was a period of at least a few weeks in the build up where haye said very little and wlad was doing all the trashing)

and i dont agree that because haye was the challenger he had to do more, he just had to do what he felt would win the fight didnt he?

Haye must of known he couldn't outbox Wlad and waiting for one shot is a terrible strategy especially against someone of Wlad's caliber.

Wlad and Vitali are only two fighters, they don't affect how bad the rest of the division is and how bad those fights are.

Yeah there fights are dull sometimes especially Wlad but he has to be cautious because his chin is poor.

Once the Klitschkos do retire, i feel sorry for the heavyweight division because it will only get worse imo.

[erics44]

Haye must of known he couldn't outbox Wlad and waiting for one shot is a terrible strategy especially against someone of Wlad's caliber.

Wlad and Vitali are only two fighters, they don't affect how bad the rest of the division is and how bad those fights are.

Yeah there fights are dull sometimes especially Wlad but he has to be cautious because his chin is poor.

Once the Klitschkos do retire, i feel sorry for the heavyweight division because it will only get worse imo.

All of his fights are dull and boring and frustrating appart from when he loses

and it doesnt matter why his boring, he just is

I'm not sure it will get worse, i think it will give some of the lesser fighters more incentive and we might actually get some HW title fights that arent so dull

[Pugilistic]

Haye must of known he couldn't outbox Wlad and waiting for one shot is a terrible strategy especially against someone of Wlad's caliber.

Wlad and Vitali are only two fighters, they don't affect how bad the rest of the division is and how bad those fights are.

Yeah there fights are dull sometimes especially Wlad but he has to be cautious because his chin is poor.

Once the Klitschkos do retire, i feel sorry for the heavyweight division because it will only get worse imo.

All of his fights are dull and boring and frustrating appart from when he loses

and it doesnt matter why his boring, he just is

I'm not sure it will get worse, i think it will give some of the lesser fighters more incentive and we might actually get some HW title fights that arent so dull

You can't blame the Klitschkos for the rest of the division sucking.

It will get worse because almost all of the other heavyweights are what i said before.

Unfit or unskilled or unmotivated or all of them combined lol.

[marbleheadmaui]

Haye must of known he couldn't outbox Wlad and waiting for one shot is a terrible strategy especially against someone of Wlad's caliber.

Wlad and Vitali are only two fighters, they don't affect how bad the rest of the division is and how bad those fights are.

Yeah there fights are dull sometimes especially Wlad but he has to be cautious because his chin is poor.

Once the Klitschkos do retire, i feel sorry for the heavyweight division because it will only get worse imo.

All of his fights are dull and boring and frustrating appart from when he loses

and it doesnt matter why his boring, he just is

I'm not sure it will get worse, i think it will give some of the lesser fighters more incentive and we might actually get some HW title fights that arent so dull

You can't blame the Klitschkos for the rest of the division sucking.

It will get worse because almost all of the other heavyweights are what i said before.

Unfit or unskilled or unmotivated or all of them combined lol.

Nice post.