The Myth everyone rated Tyson as an ATG HW after Spinks fight (Video evidence inside)

[generalbulldog]

Actually you just completely disproved your own point

The very fact they asked the question shows how highly he was regarded and means they automatically accepted him as an all time great, they were asking if he was the very best ever, something they havent even asked of Floyd or Manny.

This is great. You tried to prove a point, and provided killer evidence to prove yourself wrong

No it did not disprove my own point. The myth has been that Tyson was regarded as the greatest HW or amongst the greatest ever after beating Spinks, is just that a myth. Not even the majority of boxing fans or boxing experts regarded him as up there with Ali and Louis, much less best ever especially at 22 years old. Now there was an initial jubilation after Tyson's victory by some, but people that have followed the sport for a long time and even many experts at the time said, "Let's wait and see before we start calling him as great as Ali and Louis or greater than them."

You are an idiot

They asked if he was the best ever. That already takes for granted he's an all time great. How many times have you heard anyone on HBO ask if Wlad or Vitali are the best heavy's of all time? It's never been asked because it doesn't need to be. Yet Wlad will likely go down in history as a top 20, probably top 15 heavyweight of all time.

With Mike it was the exact opposite. With him they went straight to the biggest names of all, and asked if he could beat them? At 22, shows just how much they were in awe of him.

I havent heard them ask if Saul Alvarez could have beaten Ray Robinson at welter yet, or Hearns or Duran. Have you?

They (HBO) asked the question if he was the best ever because some misguided fools asked that question after the jubilation of the Spinks fight. But you have to remember Ali had his last fight in late '81, he was still a big iconic star in the sport that is still remember by many. The truth is that outside of a misguided few like casual fans no one really thought he was an atg up there with Ali or even greater than Ali or Louis, still the standard for Heavies.

Why was there this thread? Because for years you have the Tyson fans saying that basically everyone thought that Tyson was just as great or greater than past HW greats after the SPinks fight. That is not the case. A myth just like the long count in the Buster Douglas fight.

And no need to get into insults.

[BIG H]

Actually you just completely disproved your own point

The very fact they asked the question shows how highly he was regarded and means they automatically accepted him as an all time great, they were asking if he was the very best ever, something they havent even asked of Floyd or Manny.

This is great. You tried to prove a point, and provided killer evidence to prove yourself wrong

No it did not disprove my own point. The myth has been that Tyson was regarded as the greatest HW or amongst the greatest ever after beating Spinks, is just that a myth. Not even the majority of boxing fans or boxing experts regarded him as up there with Ali and Louis, much less best ever especially at 22 years old. Now there was an initial jubilation after Tyson's victory by some, but people that have followed the sport for a long time and even many experts at the time said, "Let's wait and see before we start calling him as great as Ali and Louis or greater than them."

You are an idiot

They asked if he was the best ever. That already takes for granted he's an all time great. How many times have you heard anyone on HBO ask if Wlad or Vitali are the best heavy's of all time? It's never been asked because it doesn't need to be. Yet Wlad will likely go down in history as a top 20, probably top 15 heavyweight of all time.

With Mike it was the exact opposite. With him they went straight to the biggest names of all, and asked if he could beat them? At 22, shows just how much they were in awe of him.

I havent heard them ask if Saul Alvarez could have beaten Ray Robinson at welter yet, or Hearns or Duran. Have you?

They (HBO) asked the question if he was the best ever because some misguided fools asked that question after the jubilation of the Spinks fight. But you have to remember Ali had his last fight in late '81, he was still a big iconic star in the sport that is still remember by many. The truth is that outside of a misguided few like casual fans no one really thought he was an atg up there with Ali or even greater than Ali or Louis, still the standard for Heavies.

Why was there this thread? Because for years you have the Tyson fans saying that basically everyone thought that Tyson was just as great or greater than past HW greats after the SPinks fight. That is not the case. A myth just like the long count in the Buster Douglas fight.

And no need to get into insults.

Simply not true mate. I remember it like it was yesterday and you would do well to find anybody that wasn't at least comparing him to the ATGs and in the same breath as those guys.

[Kev]

Actually you just completely disproved your own point

The very fact they asked the question shows how highly he was regarded and means they automatically accepted him as an all time great, they were asking if he was the very best ever, something they havent even asked of Floyd or Manny.

This is great. You tried to prove a point, and provided killer evidence to prove yourself wrong

No it did not disprove my own point. The myth has been that Tyson was regarded as the greatest HW or amongst the greatest ever after beating Spinks, is just that a myth. Not even the majority of boxing fans or boxing experts regarded him as up there with Ali and Louis, much less best ever especially at 22 years old. Now there was an initial jubilation after Tyson's victory by some, but people that have followed the sport for a long time and even many experts at the time said, "Let's wait and see before we start calling him as great as Ali and Louis or greater than them."

You are an idiot

They asked if he was the best ever. That already takes for granted he's an all time great. How many times have you heard anyone on HBO ask if Wlad or Vitali are the best heavy's of all time? It's never been asked because it doesn't need to be. Yet Wlad will likely go down in history as a top 20, probably top 15 heavyweight of all time.

With Mike it was the exact opposite. With him they went straight to the biggest names of all, and asked if he could beat them? At 22, shows just how much they were in awe of him.

I havent heard them ask if Saul Alvarez could have beaten Ray Robinson at welter yet, or Hearns or Duran. Have you?

They (HBO) asked the question if he was the best ever because some misguided fools asked that question after the jubilation of the Spinks fight. But you have to remember Ali had his last fight in late '81, he was still a big iconic star in the sport that is still remember by many. The truth is that outside of a misguided few like casual fans no one really thought he was an atg up there with Ali or even greater than Ali or Louis, still the standard for Heavies.

Why was there this thread? Because for years you have the Tyson fans saying that basically everyone thought that Tyson was just as great or greater than past HW greats after the SPinks fight. That is not the case. A myth just like the long count in the Buster Douglas fight.

And no need to get into insults.

It IS the case. Still now if you approach any man on the street and ask him if he likes boxing and who he most likes 8/10 will say 'I loved Tyson back in the day', and then follow it with 'in his prime he would have beaten anybody'.

Try it, approach some random people and ask them.

What you basically are trying to say is 'Me and my dad didn't buy into the hype that Tyson was an all time great'.

Which is ok. Well done. But you were wrong, as history has shown that he was one of the all time greats after all.

[Spicoli]

Tyson had an aura and a raw presence. You can call it hype, marketing, fanfare, intensity, explosivness whatever but it did equal if not surpass his actual in the ring ability for me. Just because someone "knows" the name doesn't mean that they can give you an accurate account of his career and opposition. Last year I ran into this in the coffee shop, was talking loose about him being in the movies and a guy claiming "to love Tyson" turns and ask seriously if he can again reclaim a heavyweight title?! I say no man. He proceeds to get excited and almost imitate a fighter..."ahh come on brah, with that mean streak and power I hink he fo sho can"...THAT people is hype, some credible memory and an aura outrunning reality.

* I think you can lay a huge pet peeve at the Tyson talk as well. Its that power in and of itself is the ultimate end game but it can also be severly overrated. Everyone loves ko's and the finality of it but when a guy has to fall back, have some shake it off and shift gears to find victory that for me is when you really find out what they are made of. and maybe only then.

[marbleheadmaui]

Tyson had an aura and a raw presence. You can call it hype, marketing, fanfare, intensity, explosivness whatever but it did equal if not surpass his actual in the ring ability for me. Just because someone "knows" the name doesn't mean that they can give you an accurate account of his career and opposition. Last year I ran into this in the coffee shop, was talking loose about him being in the movies and a guy claiming "to love Tyson" turns and ask seriously if he can again reclaim a heavyweight title?! I say no man. He proceeds to get excited and almost imitate a fighter..."ahh come on brah, with that mean streak and power I hink he fo sho can"...THAT people is hype, some credible memory and an aura outrunning reality.

I will say though that I shook Tyson's hand at a party in 1987 and he was a scary, scary dude. How much of that was in my head and how much was the way he carried himself? I dunno. But I couldn't get away fast enough

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Ask Lennox Lewis why he shit his pants, in his fight against Tyson. He had fear on his face, fear in his body language. Had to cheat the whole fight, didn't want to fight, just hold all night long. If you have to hold and cheat all fight long, you are a scared little pussy. Lewis should have been dq'd for holding. He wanted to hold Mikey all night long in his arms. Had size,weight and reach advantage and still was scared shitless of an almost shot Tyson. Lewis would have been sparked in the first round if not allowed to cheat. And this by an almost shot Tyson.

[Spicoli]

Ask Lennox Lewis why he shit his pants, in his fight against Tyson. He had fear on his face, fear in his body language. Had to cheat the whole fight, didn't want to fight, just hold all night long. If you have to hold and cheat all fight long, you are a scared little pussy. Lewis should have been dq'd for holding. He wanted to hold Mikey all night long in his arms. Had size,weight and reach advantage and still was scared shitless of an almost shot Tyson. Lewis would have been sparked in the first round if not allowed to cheat. And this by an almost shot Tyson.

I just want to be sure we're not talking about Tyson when we slam others for cheating etc and etc