Any final thoughts on Wlad vs Haye?

**erics44** · 07-19-2011 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Hey Erics44, you do agree, right that Haye's fights at heavyweight haven't been entertaining (to the casual fan) either. Three of his 5 fights weren't entertaining at all. He was a much more entertaining cruiserweight. So, given that we can both agree Haye isn't an entertaining heavyweight, what you are saying in essence is that you'd rather see Fury, Arreola, Adamek, Chambers, and Povetkin fight it out?

2 out of 5 is a lot bigger proportion than none out of 10 (or whatever wlad has had in the last 5 years)

plus i would expect haye v all of those fighters you mention to be much more even and more likely more exciting and would hold a lot more anticipation as a HW title fight than wlad v

also one of hayes 5 fights at HW was against wlad and as much as you hate haye you cant blame the boringness solely on haye as it was type for wlad

what i am saying while there are klits the HW title fights will be boring and frustrating (despite more quality), when the klits go there is a chance we will get a HW division back (even if it doesnt have anywhere near the tallent the klits have)

**Rantcatrat** · 07-19-2011 04:11 PM

Erics44, 3/5 Haye heavyweight fights were rather boring regardless of who he was fighting. It was his fault as much as Valuev's or Wlad's. He wasn't boring against Enzo Mac-why do you think? He was a much more exciting cruiserweight. The truth is though that once he really stepped up his competition, he lost. Wlad fights to his advantages, you can't blame him for that, everyone does. 
 
 
 
 
Also, Erics44, you should check out the Chagaev v. Povetkin fight on August 27th. It's for a belt and they are both top ten heavyweights. Also, Adamek v. Haye potentially will be more entertaining because Adamek has loads more guts than Haye. You don't like the Wlad, he's only one fighter, watch the rest of the division.

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Hey Erics44, you do agree, right that Haye's fights at heavyweight haven't been entertaining (to the casual fan) either. Three of his 5 fights weren't entertaining at all. He was a much more entertaining cruiserweight. So, given that we can both agree Haye isn't an entertaining heavyweight, what you are saying in essence is that you'd rather see Fury, Arreola, Adamek, Chambers, and Povetkin fight it out?

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also one of hayes 5 fights at HW was against wlad and as much as you hate haye you cant blame the boringness solely on haye as it was type for wlad&lt;br /&gt; 
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what i am saying while there are klits the HW title fights will be boring and frustrating (despite more quality), when the klits go there is a chance we will get a HW division back (even if it doesnt have anywhere near the tallent the klits have)

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**erics44** · 07-19-2011 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Erics44, 3/5 Haye heavyweight fights were rather boring regardless of who he was fighting. It was his fault as much as Valuev's or Wlad's. He wasn't boring against Enzo Mac-why do you think? He was a much more exciting cruiserweight. The truth is though that once he really stepped up his competition, he lost. Wlad fights to his advantages, you can't blame him for that, everyone does. 

Also, Erics44, you should check out the Chagaev v. Povetkin fight on August 27th. It's for a belt and they are both top ten heavyweights. Also, Adamek v. Haye potentially will be more entertaining because Adamek has loads more guts than Haye. You don't like the Wlad, he's only one fighter, watch the rest of the division.

paragraph 1, i agree he has been a more exciting cruiser than heavy, but my point again isnt about haye, it is that while the klits are around the HW championship fights will be dull

paragraph 2, i totally agree, and wouldnt it be better if there were no klits and these fights were for the championship?