Is Zab Judah an Elite fighter ?

[Kev]

I took elite to mean a current world class performer and legitimate player in the division he currently fights in and therefore voted yes.

Former undisputed, unified welterweight champ, current light welter weight belt holder, multiple times world champion, fought the absolute best at world level including at least 3 Hall of Famers in Tsyzu, Mayweather and Cotto and one of the most high smaller weight fighters of the last 10 years or so.

[roberto duran legend]

Not IMO lost all the big fights he has been in , lacks mental strenght when the shit hits the fan.

[LukeH]

By my definition of elite he's not now and he never has been.

[Memphis]

By my definition of elite he's not now and he never has been.

What does Elite mean to you?

Bilbo has already answered for me.

[roberto duran legend]

Elite to me means the very best , really dont think Judah comes into that class do you , good fighter but elite come on , got his butt creamed by every elite man he faced.

[LukeH]

By my definition of elite he's not now and he never has been.

What does Elite mean to you?

Bilbo has already answered for me.

I pretty much agree with Pugilistic.

Right now Mayweather and Pac, maybe Martinez,Marquez and Bhop. Someone like Donaire will probably get there with more top drawer opposition.

If I had to put boxers in tiers id have Mayweather and Pac in a group at the top by themselves. To me they are elite and easily the best two boxers in the sport.
As i said in another thread, if we are to use words like elite, world class etc, there should be a unified defintion of it everyone can go by. As it is everyone has different opinions,

[Memphis]

By my definition of elite he's not now and he never has been.

What does Elite mean to you?

Bilbo has already answered for me.

I pretty much agree with Pugilistic.

Right now Mayweather and Pac, maybe Martinez,Marquez and Bhop. Someone like Donaire will probably get there with more top drawer opposition.

If I had to put boxers in tiers id have Mayweather and Pac in a group at the top by themselves. To me they are elite and easily the best two boxers in the sport.
As i said in another thread, if we are to use words like elite, world class etc, there should be a unified defintion of it everyone can go by. As it is everyone has different opinions,

Whilst I cant disagree with your logic I would just like to applaud you for the use of 'top drawer'

Many people on here say top draw, annoys the fuck out of me

[LukeH]

By my definition of elite he's not now and he never has been.

What does Elite mean to you?

Bilbo has already answered for me.

I pretty much agree with Pugilistic.

Right now Mayweather and Pac, maybe Martinez,Marquez and Bhop. Someone like Donaire will probably get there with more top drawer opposition.

If I had to put boxers in tiers id have Mayweather and Pac in a group at the top by themselves. To me they are elite and easily the best two boxers in the sport.
As i said in another thread, if we are to use words like elite, world class etc, there should be a unified defintion of it everyone can go by. As it is everyone has different opinions,

Whilst I cant disagree with your logic I would just like to applaud you for the use of 'top drawer'

Many people on here say top draw, annoys the fuck out of me

I don't very often say it myself, didn't realize I had to be honest. Rum's to blame. I'm not sure where I would put 'top draw' with all my talk of elite and world class so I've fucked myself over a little bit.

[Pugilistic]

Keep voting folks.

Give saddos your opinion.

[Mar]

He's a good win for elite fighters, zab will never reach the potential he has. Khan really doesn't have to do much. Sit there with your hands up and let zab beat himself. I'd give sweet pea a better chance.

[NuthaPug]

Reminds me of Dylan's song "Don't think twice" where he says "goodbye is too fine a word, babe, so I'll just say fare thee well."

Elite is too fine a word for Judah despite all the fine tuning of the definition to try to make it fit. It soars. Judah ... does not.

[CutMeMick]

Can I create my own option... Here it is.

[x] This is a joke right?

[Master]

No but he was early 2000 and when he became Welterweight king.

[Nameless]

To me, the elite is the top of the top at a given time, so the elite from an era to the other can vary in term of quality. Is Zab in the elite actually? I'd tend to say he's close to it but that he's 1-2 significant victories to be considered in it. However, I also think that at some point, he used to be part of it, he slightly drifted but he's not far at all to be back in the club again.... would he win these 1-2 significant fights.

[Violent Demise]

I think he was before. But not no more. Except for in his head. The Floyd Mayweather fight was his last as an elite fighter. Against Cotto he was already being viewed as a test. Not someone who could beat him.