Carnage on a Norweigan Island

[Master]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

[Andre]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

Ive stood on both sides of this issue before and have had this fight in my head and I changed sides. Until we got some 28 women and little kids in a park like setting cut down over here. I wished I was there with my bear Alaskan bow cause id have got him or at least slowed him. Im with the gun lobby on this one after coming to that conclusion. Guns dont have consciousness. You cant change a world where war is taught to the young as an answer with the implements being mass produced to maintain it.

Security is the double headed beast here. We needed tests to put gun owners under for a weekend to see if they crack under strain. Pass the grueling tests and you get your gun license

Its too late though, emotional idiots that want to share their pain have guns that can cut down masses.

So its back to Security and the fact that one armed good man could of stopped him.

[marbleheadmaui]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

[Nameless]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

[marbleheadmaui]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

[Andre]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

What do you think could be an answer then?

[marbleheadmaui]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

What do you think could be an answer then?

Sorry, the answer to what question?

[Andre]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

What do you think could be an answer then?

Sorry, the answer to what question?

Noquestion, the answer to the problem of fuck wits with guns.

[Andre]

Maybe a new kind of armed security with civil proven mature aged men in it?

[marbleheadmaui]

Maybe a new kind of armed security with civil proven mature aged men in it?

Oh the general question of violence in society?

I'm not sure there IS a good answer. Like many bad things I suspect it is an inherent cost of freedom.

My own view is that a bad guy with a baseball bat or a knife or a tire iron is a significant threat to the innocent. A reasonable man carrying a gun is not.

My own view is any man who permits himself, or his family, to be secure only at the whim of bad guys, the government or who leaves his security subject to the competence of the police is a fool.

Put another way. Al Queda having access to nuclear weapons troubles me from time to time. The Brits having them bothers me not at all.

[Nameless]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

Baseball bat are designed to hit a ball, not bash people just like most objects that you ust described. Gun does. Beside, I can't really imagine somebody going on a rampage and to successfully kill 76 people with a tire-irons or a baseball bat within 1-2 hours span. When you can shoot somebody who doesn't necessary see you at 300 feet of distance and can repeat that 30-40-50 times within a fraction of seconds depending of the size of your loader and the number of loaders you bring on you, it's all another story.

[VictorCharlie]

To each his own but Thomas Jefferson once said he'd rather live with dangerous freedom than peaceful servitude. I tend to agree.

[marbleheadmaui]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

Baseball bat are designed to hit a ball, not bash people just like most objects that you ust described. Gun does. Beside, I can't really imagine somebody going on a rampage and to successfully kill 76 people with a tire-irons or a baseball bat within 1-2 hours span. When you can shoot somebody who doesn't necessary see you at 300 feet of distance and can repeat that 30-40-50 times within a fraction of seconds depending of the size of your loader and the number of loaders you bring on you, it's all another story.

people killed 3000 people on 9/11 armed only with boxcutters.

[Youngblood]

pretty sure they were armed with jets filled with highly volatile jet fuel and a crazy religious disposition, going hundreds of miles an hr.

by your analogy, if a nuclear strike happened they would be armed with little more then the finger that pushed the button.