Carnage on a Norweigan Island

[marbleheadmaui]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

[Andre]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

What do you think could be an answer then?

[marbleheadmaui]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

What do you think could be an answer then?

Sorry, the answer to what question?

[Andre]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

What do you think could be an answer then?

Sorry, the answer to what question?

Noquestion, the answer to the problem of fuck wits with guns.

[marbleheadmaui]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

What do you think could be an answer then?

Sorry, the answer to what question?

Noquestion, the answer to the problem of fuck wits with guns.

Fuckwits are a problem in a free society. They are a problem with guns, knives, cars, clubs, booze, drugs etc.

They are fuckwits and cannot be accounted for if a free society is to remain free.

Unless you want to invoke the old Texas legal defense "He needed killing."

[Andre]

Maybe a new kind of armed security with civil proven mature aged men in it?

[marbleheadmaui]

Maybe a new kind of armed security with civil proven mature aged men in it?

Oh the general question of violence in society?

I'm not sure there IS a good answer. Like many bad things I suspect it is an inherent cost of freedom.

My own view is that a bad guy with a baseball bat or a knife or a tire iron is a significant threat to the innocent. A reasonable man carrying a gun is not.

My own view is any man who permits himself, or his family, to be secure only at the whim of bad guys, the government or who leaves his security subject to the competence of the police is a fool.

Put another way. Al Queda having access to nuclear weapons troubles me from time to time. The Brits having them bothers me not at all.

[Nameless]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

Baseball bat are designed to hit a ball, not bash people just like most objects that you ust described. Gun does. Beside, I can't really imagine somebody going on a rampage and to successfully kill 76 people with a tire-irons or a baseball bat within 1-2 hours span. When you can shoot somebody who doesn't necessary see you at 300 feet of distance and can repeat that 30-40-50 times within a fraction of seconds depending of the size of your loader and the number of loaders you bring on you, it's all another story.

[VictorCharlie]

To each his own but Thomas Jefferson once said he'd rather live with dangerous freedom than peaceful servitude. I tend to agree.

[marbleheadmaui]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

Baseball bat are designed to hit a ball, not bash people just like most objects that you ust described. Gun does. Beside, I can't really imagine somebody going on a rampage and to successfully kill 76 people with a tire-irons or a baseball bat within 1-2 hours span. When you can shoot somebody who doesn't necessary see you at 300 feet of distance and can repeat that 30-40-50 times within a fraction of seconds depending of the size of your loader and the number of loaders you bring on you, it's all another story.

people killed 3000 people on 9/11 armed only with boxcutters.

[Youngblood]

pretty sure they were armed with jets filled with highly volatile jet fuel and a crazy religious disposition, going hundreds of miles an hr.

by your analogy, if a nuclear strike happened they would be armed with little more then the finger that pushed the button.

[marbleheadmaui]

pretty sure they were armed with jets filled with highly volatile jet fuel and a crazy religious disposition, going hundreds of miles an hr.

by your analogy, if a nuclear strike happened they would be armed with little more then the finger that pushed the button.

That analogy fails...unless you can kill someone with a button alone

[Youngblood]

you're not really this thick, are you?

you:

people killed 3000 people on 9/11 armed only with boxcutters.

me:

pretty sure they were armed with jets filled with highly volatile jet fuel and a crazy religious disposition, going hundreds of miles an hr.

by your analogy, if a nuclear strike happened they would be armed with little more then the finger that pushed the button.

you:

That analogy fails...unless you can kill someone with a button alone

you can wink all you want at the end of your faulty logic, but it's still faulty logic so was gotdamn easy to expose. Making an assertion that only boxcutters killed 3000 people is nothing short of stupid, and obviously agenda driven. I get it, you like guns. congratulations. Honestly don't care what you believe in. But using the deaths of a bunch of innocent people (mostly kids) to propagate your belief in guns and agenda when that was the thing that took them, is nothing short of shallow.

It's all about timing. Is this really the time to push your pro gun beliefs? In a topic about tragedy involving them? Surely you could have found a better spot. It's not far off of the kinda thing those Westboro assholes do showing up at soldiers funerals. Piggybacking tragedy to promote personal agenda.

but hey, continue on if you must. I won't be reading it though.

[boozeboxer]

I like guns. But I think this thread has seriously derailed as I want more information about the actual incident.

[marbleheadmaui]

you're not really this thick, are you?

you:

people killed 3000 people on 9/11 armed only with boxcutters.

me:

pretty sure they were armed with jets filled with highly volatile jet fuel and a crazy religious disposition, going hundreds of miles an hr.

by your analogy, if a nuclear strike happened they would be armed with little more then the finger that pushed the button.

you:

That analogy fails...unless you can kill someone with a button alone

you can wink all you want at the end of your faulty logic, but it's still faulty logic so was gotdamn easy to expose. Making an assertion that only boxcutters killed 3000 people is nothing short of stupid, and obviously agenda driven. I get it, you like guns. congratulations. Honestly don't care what you believe in. But using the deaths of a bunch of innocent people (mostly kids) to propagate your belief in guns and agenda when that was the thing that took them, is nothing short of shallow.

It's all about timing. Is this really the time to push your pro gun beliefs? In a topic about tragedy involving them? Surely you could have found a better spot. It's not far off of the kinda thing those Westboro assholes do showing up at soldiers funerals. Piggybacking tragedy to promote personal agenda.

but hey, continue on if you must. I won't be reading it though.

gee, I'm so sad you won't be reading...I'll try to carry on...don't know if I'll be able to without your inspiration.

And you're simply wrong about the analogy. Unless your button can kill people? The analogy doesn't work. The boxcutters TOOK control of the planes, the button does nothing like that. So who's thick?

As for your additional idiocy re: Westboro, yeah writing about lessons we should learn on a website is the same as going to a soldiers funeral and saying he deserved to die. Take a logic course.