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I'm not harshing as much on this now. Ortiz has earned his role in a big one. I think we need to keep perspective in that Ortiz was almost being written off with no heart, no chin and no desire prior to exposing a still somewhat green Berto. It was a fantastic win, but his flaws are still very present....he needs to spend more time looking at Floyd and less talking about how Max took his heart?! If Kellerman takes it...Floyd will own it and show it to him.

Ortiz looked ok and calm otherwise. Don't quite get the reference to Mayweather vs Chavez aside from the name. Mayweather emphasis's if a guy makes mistakes then they must pay. Thats not always true with him, he lets them coast and with Ortiz that could be not so wise. At the very end it was almost a "trying to touch gloves" moment when he asks to Mayweather who's going to hit Max first. Trying to find common ground. That comes right after Mayweather says he's seriously going to mess this kid up and laughs. I think he will.
I completely agree. There is only one way to look at this fight. It's a good fight for Floyd at 147 given the other potential matchups; at the same time, it's not a competitive fight. Unfortunately, there just aren't very many competive fights for Floyd at 147. Credit to him, but there aren't. The odds in this fight are like 8-1, Floyd. If it's even close, it's a testament to either Floyd slipping a little or Victor being better than we thought. I believe Floyd stops Victor and when was the last time Floyd stopped anyone?
Erm... 2 fights back.

To be fair Mayweather has a 61% stoppage ratio so it wouldn't be that crazy, he just tends to let guys survive (see JMM & Mosley both of whom he could've stopped) rather than take the risks late on to knock 'em out.

I disagree though, this is a competitive fight. Ortiz is so strong & looks tougher at 147 & I think he's got a shot, although I do favour Mayweather by stoppage.
In his last seven fights, he's knocked out two opponents. For whatever reason, his KO power at the lighter weights hasn't translated as well at welterweight. I'm not sure of the reason for that, but it is what it is. He only has knocked out Sharmba Mitchell and Ricky Hatton at welterweight. Floyd isn't a knockout artist anymore if he ever was one.

This isn't a competive fight. I say it's 85/15 or 80/20 Mayweather. Why do you think it is competitive? I sincerely don't.

Recently, Ortiz looked pretty good in one fight! But, let's not get crazy here, during that fight, he was knocked down multiple times and for most of the fight, he fought rather sloppily. He won it because he wanted it more. Also, the fight before that he scraped by Lamont Peterson, and the one before that, he quit against Maidana. Furthermore, he has only fought at welterweight for one fight and he is only 24. All that adds up to a big-time underdog. Trust me - there is a reason the odds are something like 8-1 against him.