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    Default Re: Mayweather/Ortiz Face off. Full video

    Quote Originally Posted by JazMerkin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    In his last seven fights, he's knocked out two opponents. For whatever reason, his KO power at the lighter weights hasn't translated as well at welterweight. I'm not sure of the reason for that, but it is what it is. He only has knocked out Sharmba Mitchell and Ricky Hatton at welterweight. Floyd isn't a knockout artist anymore if he ever was one.

    This isn't a competive fight. I say it's 85/15 or 80/20 Mayweather. Why do you think it is competitive? I sincerely don't.

    Recently, Ortiz looked pretty good in one fight! But, let's not get crazy here, during that fight, he was knocked down multiple times and for most of the fight, he fought rather sloppily. He won it because he wanted it more. Also, the fight before that he scraped by Lamont Peterson, and the one before that, he quit against Maidana. Furthermore, he has only fought at welterweight for one fight and he is only 24. All that adds up to a big-time underdog. Trust me - there is a reason the odds are something like 8-1 against him.
    On your first point, yes he's only KO'd 2 of his last 7, but Judah cheated to avoid getting stopped & I think both Mosley & Marquez were there for the taking. He's clearly got some power at the weight to be able to hurt (with the exception of JMM) naturally bigger men. Also, he started his career at 130. Very few guys carry power up through multiple weights like that. Even people like Duran, Arguello & Hearns saw their concussive power fall away as they climbed the weights. I agree Floyd never was a KO artist, but a 61% KO ratio for a man who's never been a huge puncher is impressive.

    I think Ortiz' power, workrate & physical strength could prove crucial. Mayweather also hasn't fought in how long & he's 35 in February.

    On your last point, you've completely re-written history. He beat a man who was overwhelmingly favoured to beat him & got off the floor to do it. Whatever else people say about Berto he has got speed & power. Peterson is a much better fighter than he gets credit for, I thought his fight with Bradley saw some of the worst scorecards I've seen turned in in years & I still thought Ortiz beat him. He also beat 4 guys after the Maidana loss so that was not the fight before.

    Don't get me wrong, I favour PBF to win & think it will be a TKO, but Ortiz is a live dog for me.
    He'll be a live dog in as much as Adamek is a live dog against Vitali Klitschko. He's got a chance - like I said 80/20 85/15 - but, he's a big time underdog.

    It's difficult not to sound like I'm putting Ortiz down. I didn't mean to be to such an extent. He's a top level guy. He showed grit and guts beating Berto and I commend him for it. Truthfully, my whole opinion of him changed from that night. And although he's set to make a ton of money against Floyd, I still give him credit for taking the fight because even after beating Berto, Ortiz may still be fragile mentally, and a hard KO could be devestating to his career. At the end of the day, I'm not 100% convinced he's surging with confidence even after the Berto fight. I'd like to see Ortiz develop for a few years fighting the Lamont Peterson's of the world before jumping into the ring with Floyd Mayweather, possibly the greatest boxer on the planet.

    My point only is that if he was having trouble with Lamont Peterson, he ain't beating Floyd Mayweather, no matter if you rank Peterson where I rank him or where you rank him. Add to that he is still pretty green and young (he may not even be in his prime yet), and you have the makings of an a*s kicking. That's all I'm saying. Do you want to put a sig bet on Mayweather stopping him within 9 or 10?
    Last edited by Rantcatrat; 08-04-2011 at 03:24 PM.

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