Marcos Maidana vs. Devon Alexander - Saturday night fight thread

[captainanddew]

Not to over rate devon but he might have actully improved since mathyse kotelniko bradley...oh what's the deal on devons cut

It's not overrating, he's def got the goods.
I honestly thought he would beat Bradley.
At 147 I can see him beating Mike Jones and both Berto & Ortiz.

Jones would be fun but he needs to get busy, make a statement first. Alexander is straight sharpshooting here but I'd still be concerned with Ortiz natural size and straight punches. He has def rebounded tonight...took control and dictated!

Nah but I thought he lost to kotelnik n mathyse wasn't really landin pullin his shots back to quick in this one he seemed to actually punch thru but id like to seem him in with a different type before I say he's Improved we've seen him look spectacular before against a straight forward slugger n then look crap against someone with skill

Alexander has faced 6 world class fighters.

Witter-Sat down on his punches as he was landing cleanly alot.
Urango-wide open. Sat down on his punches because he was landing cleanly alot.
Kotelnik-Alexander came out and did his normal fighting early. When he wasn't landing alot he began totally shoeshining. Kotelnik would let Alexander throw 5 or 6 punches, dodge them, and then counter effectively
Bradley-won their fight.
Matthyse-good puncher but underrated technique. He throws straight punches. After a few rounds when Alexander wasn't able to just outbox him all to hell, he went to shoeshining.
Maidana-looked a little skittish early (but winning the rounds). Sat down on his punches more because he started landing cleanly. There wasn't that many counters coming back his way.

Alexander has moved up in weight. He does look physically stronger. And he will take a shot better as he isn't draining.

But fighting at 140 isn't why he lost to Bradley.

Fighting at 140 isn't why Kotelnik and Matthyse should have gotten decisions against him.


He lost those fights because he isn't naturally relaxed in the ring and those guys could box effectively enough.

He came out and when he isn't dominating after 3-4 rounds he doesn't relax. He tightens up and starts shoeshining all to hell and gives up the pretense of landing effective shots.

I think as soon as he is in with someone with good enough boxing ability and speed to figh him on relatively even terms, he will tighten up and fight like he did in the Bradley, Matthyse, and Kotelnik fights.

[armin]

Can't rep ya capn but completely agree with the asessment

[captainanddew]

Not to over rate devon but he might have actully improved since mathyse kotelniko bradley...oh what's the deal on devons cut

It's not overrating, he's def got the goods.
I honestly thought he would beat Bradley.
At 147 I can see him beating Mike Jones and both Berto & Ortiz.

Jones would be fun but he needs to get busy, make a statement first. Alexander is straight sharpshooting here but I'd still be concerned with Ortiz natural size and straight punches. He has def rebounded tonight...took control and dictated!

Nah but I thought he lost to kotelnik n mathyse wasn't really landin pullin his shots back to quick in this one he seemed to actually punch thru but id like to seem him in with a different type before I say he's Improved we've seen him look spectacular before against a straight forward slugger n then look crap against someone with skill

Alexander has faced 6 world class fighters.

Witter-Sat down on his punches as he was landing cleanly alot.
Urango-wide open. Sat down on his punches because he was landing cleanly alot.
Kotelnik-Alexander came out and did his normal fighting early. When he wasn't landing alot he began totally shoeshining. Kotelnik would let Alexander throw 5 or 6 punches, dodge them, and then counter effectively
Bradley-won their fight.
Matthyse-good puncher but underrated technique. He throws straight punches. After a few rounds when Alexander wasn't able to just outbox him all to hell, he went to shoeshining.
Maidana-looked a little skittish early (but winning the rounds). Sat down on his punches more because he started landing cleanly. There wasn't that many counters coming back his way.

Alexander has moved up in weight. He does look physically stronger. And he will take a shot better as he isn't draining.

But fighting at 140 isn't why he lost to Bradley.

Fighting at 140 isn't why Kotelnik and Matthyse should have gotten decisions against him.


He lost those fights because he isn't naturally relaxed in the ring and those guys could box effectively enough.

He came out and when he isn't dominating after 3-4 rounds he doesn't relax. He tightens up and starts shoeshining all to hell and gives up the pretense of landing effective shots.

I think as soon as he is in with someone with good enough boxing ability and speed to figh him on relatively even terms, he will tighten up and fight like he did in the Bradley, Matthyse, and Kotelnik fights.

I would be happy if he proves me wrong.

[Hulk]

I can't stand Broner, especially him being fed guys we've never even heard of then getting praise like he's above Lopez and Gamboa.

Also I'm a Maidana fan.

So the fights sucked and were disapointing for me.

[shza]

I just watched the fights. I thought Broner was extremely impressive. I hadn't seen much of Perez but had read a lot about how close of a fight this was supposedly going to be, and had seen several people pick Perez for the upset. And I saw Broner lose it and get lucky against PDL, so I gave the boxing writers hyping this up a lot of credence. Broner is an arrogant ass, for sure, but he was fun to watch in the right -- speed, great power, and great accuracy. And it looked especially clean in contrast to the wrestling match shit-show that followed it.

Although Alexander was totally dominant and looked much stronger and better pulled together than in his last couple fights, I actually finished the fight as even less of a fan than I was before. The clinch-as-defense thing is just horrendous to watch. Part of that can be chalked up to being in against a wild, undisciplined puncher; but that doesn't account for all of it. The fight was interesting for its result but not a fight I'd ever go back and rewatch -- it was ugly and aesthetically displeasing.

[Master]

I always thought Devon would be too slick a boxer.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

G'night bitches, and Missy, who didn't wake up to watch the fight.

See you back here next Saturday:

March 3
At Düsseldorf, Germany (Epix and EpixHD.com): Wladimir Klitschko vs. Jean-Marc Mormeck, 12 rounds, for Klitschko's Ring/WBO/IBF/WBA heavyweight title; Ola Afolabi vs. Valery Brudov, 12 rounds, for vacant WBO interim cruiserweight title

I did set my alarm and woke up but thought sod it & went back to sleep

[Spicoli]

Not to over rate devon but he might have actully improved since mathyse kotelniko bradley...oh what's the deal on devons cut

It's not overrating, he's def got the goods.
I honestly thought he would beat Bradley.
At 147 I can see him beating Mike Jones and both Berto & Ortiz.

Jones would be fun but he needs to get busy, make a statement first. Alexander is straight sharpshooting here but I'd still be concerned with Ortiz natural size and straight punches. He has def rebounded tonight...took control and dictated!

Nah but I thought he lost to kotelnik n mathyse wasn't really landin pullin his shots back to quick in this one he seemed to actually punch thru but id like to seem him in with a different type before I say he's Improved we've seen him look spectacular before against a straight forward slugger n then look crap against someone with skill

Alexander has faced 6 world class fighters.

Witter-Sat down on his punches as he was landing cleanly alot.
Urango-wide open. Sat down on his punches because he was landing cleanly alot.
Kotelnik-Alexander came out and did his normal fighting early. When he wasn't landing alot he began totally shoeshining. Kotelnik would let Alexander throw 5 or 6 punches, dodge them, and then counter effectively
Bradley-won their fight.
Matthyse-good puncher but underrated technique. He throws straight punches. After a few rounds when Alexander wasn't able to just outbox him all to hell, he went to shoeshining.
Maidana-looked a little skittish early (but winning the rounds). Sat down on his punches more because he started landing cleanly. There wasn't that many counters coming back his way.

Alexander has moved up in weight. He does look physically stronger. And he will take a shot better as he isn't draining.

But fighting at 140 isn't why he lost to Bradley.

Fighting at 140 isn't why Kotelnik and Matthyse should have gotten decisions against him.


He lost those fights because he isn't naturally relaxed in the ring and those guys could box effectively enough.

He came out and when he isn't dominating after 3-4 rounds he doesn't relax. He tightens up and starts shoeshining all to hell and gives up the pretense of landing effective shots.

I think as soon as he is in with someone with good enough boxing ability and speed to figh him on relatively even terms, he will tighten up and fight like he did in the Bradley, Matthyse, and Kotelnik fights.

I think that about nails it. He fights uptight and like a tightly wound spring. He has solid mobility but his legs get rigid. I thought lastnight he was being put on his heels and roughed up and clipped with some effect early on but his sharp punching and Maidana only speaks one language...bend in, chug in a straight line and more loop on shots than a straight line. It'll be spark in division but I see more diverse guys still giving him all he can handle and then some.

[Mars_ax]

how did yous all score the fight?...i had it 99-91 alexander

I'm not sure if Maidana even won a round, 100-90 sounds about right.

[Mars_ax]

G'night bitches, and Missy, who didn't wake up to watch the fight.

See you back here next Saturday:

March 3
At Düsseldorf, Germany (Epix and EpixHD.com): Wladimir Klitschko vs. Jean-Marc Mormeck, 12 rounds, for Klitschko's Ring/WBO/IBF/WBA heavyweight title; Ola Afolabi vs. Valery Brudov, 12 rounds, for vacant WBO interim cruiserweight title

I did set my alarm and woke up but thought sod it & went back to sleep

You didn't miss much Missy, unless of course you're a big fan of Broner or Alexander, it wasn't worth getting up to watch.

[Gandalf]

I just watched this on You Tube and thought Maidana sucked. He was limited and kept allowing Alexander to smother him. Alexander has a horrible style. I don't think I will ever enjoy his fights. People criticise Bradley's style, but it's mainly Alexander who spoils.

[Mars_ax]

I just watched this on You Tube and thought Maidana sucked. He was limited and kept allowing Alexander to smother him. Alexander has a horrible style. I don't think I will ever enjoy his fights. People criticise Bradley's style, but it's mainly Alexander who spoils.

The only reason I had any interest in the fight was to see how Maidana did, as it turned out the fight wasn't worth watching. If I hadn't started the fight thread, I would have just turned the TV off and went to bed after the 5th round.

[Hulk]

I just watched this on You Tube and thought Maidana sucked. He was limited and kept allowing Alexander to smother him. Alexander has a horrible style. I don't think I will ever enjoy his fights. People criticise Bradley's style, but it's mainly Alexander who spoils.

The only reason I had any interest in the fight was to see how Maidana did, as it turned out the fight wasn't worth watching. If I hadn't started the fight thread, I would have just turned the TV off and went to bed after the 5th round.

I felt the same way. After about the 7th round it was pointless, Maidana was clearly going to lose, and even his puncher's chance had diminished.

He looked to have taken the fight half heartedly and gone in with a built in excuse of "Well 147 isn't my weight".

I thought Berto or Ortiz at welter would have eaten him alive, and most likely beaten Devon as well.

[shza]

I just watched this on You Tube and thought Maidana sucked. He was limited and kept allowing Alexander to smother him. Alexander has a horrible style. I don't think I will ever enjoy his fights. People criticise Bradley's style, but it's mainly Alexander who spoils.

Agree completely. My view of Alexander has further dimmed with each successive fight. Absolutely horrendous to watch.

I've heard a few people make comparisons to B-Hop and Andre Ward but that's complete garbage. Being a little bit dirty and fighting hard on the inside is very different from continuously just holding until the referee calls a break. It's such a habit that he even did it when he had Maidana nearly out on his feet at the end. Punch (with loud grunting), punch (with loud grunting), [could have been a KO punch, but instead . . .], *clinch*, hold until broken.

[Rantcatrat]

I just watched this on You Tube and thought Maidana sucked. He was limited and kept allowing Alexander to smother him. Alexander has a horrible style. I don't think I will ever enjoy his fights. People criticise Bradley's style, but it's mainly Alexander who spoils.

Agree completely. My view of Alexander has further dimmed with each successive fight. Absolutely horrendous to watch.

I've heard a few people make comparisons to B-Hop and Andre Ward but that's complete garbage. Being a little bit dirty and fighting hard on the inside is very different from continuously just holding until the referee calls a break. It's such a habit that he even did it when he had Maidana nearly out on his feet at the end. Punch (with loud grunting), punch (with loud grunting), [could have been a KO punch, but instead . . .], *clinch*, hold until broken.

Someone did a "compu-clinch" count and Alexander initiated a whopping 106 clinches during that fight.