Kahn v Barrera???

[Kirkland Laing]

Intresting that the odds have gone nearly full circle, when the fight was announced they had Barrera the 1/2 favourite, now most bookies have Kahn at 4/7.

That's because all the money is going on Khan, so if he wins the bookies don't take a pounding. That's why at World Cups you can get better odds on Brazil than you can on England.

[JT Rock]

What have you proved though ? all of your comments are assumptions not facts. I gave you facts while MAB is not past it, because from previous fights he certainly didn't look old or a C+ fighter as you put it.

Which i have no idea how you come to that conclusion considering his fights with JMM, Manny Pacquiao. What class does that make JMM, Manny Pacquiao, then ?

Even when MAB was in his prime after he lost he fought scrubs as warm up fights. I really don't know why your making such a big deal out of it, Mostly every boxer fights scrubs to get rounds in or get the rust off.

I don't see how that proves MAB is a shot fighter, and considering he has another tune up before the Amir Khan fight that proves my point.

You say Amir Khan is still learning but has he learned ? he supposedly had a new trainer to teach him defense. But he still dropped his hands after finishing a combination moving backwards.

Obviously you can teach defense but its more of a natural instinct, i know everytime i finished throwing a combination and move backwards. My natural instinct is too put my hands up straight away, Amir Khan doesn't seem to have that instinct and he may never learn.

He hasn't learnt all through the Amateurs or in the Pro's. Even with different trainers so i don't see what else can be done. He is very chinny and if he doesn't improve his defense talent or not, he will never move up. And i doubt he can dramatically improve his defense that quickly before the MAB fight.

You havent gave any facts ICE, you have just gave opinions..

MAB is not the same fighter he is old and cant do what he once could, he is at the twilight of his career... He gave a mediocre showing against JMM and did zip against Pac.. Looked nothing like the fighter that we all came to love in either of those fights..

He is fighting a bigger, stronger, faster younger fighter, who is hungry and is anxious to prove a point after being embarassed.

Its a natural progression that every fighter goes thru, whether you want to believe it or not.. Barrera's time has come and gone, now he will be a litmus test for a young upstart..

Also were do you see Barrera going after this, even if he wasnt going to fight Kahn or say he beats him what type fighter in the game today do you give him a chance to beat.. Your only an A-B fighter if your beating those type of guys... So who is Barrera going to defeat at the top?

Im seriously questioning if you've even seen JMM vs MAB, because by the sounds of it you haven't. You first produced the scorecards suggesting to me MAB wasn't competitive. When actually anyone who saw the fight knows it was razor thin close.

Now you have just said MAB put in a mediocre performance ? are you kidding me JT ? MAB fought a very good fight against JMM he landed more punches, marked up JMM's face up pretty badly.

He was also able to knockdown JMM and stay pretty even with JMM in the countering battle. MAB lost by 2 rounds at max and you could even make an argument he won the fight. So how the hell can it be a mediocre performance especially against the 2nd P4P fighter in the world ?

What are you saying ? seriously that doesn't even make sense. Because going by that logic JMM is just above mediocre, if he struggled badly against a MAB who put in a average performance according to you.

Against Manny Pacquiao it was pretty close as i said before, until after the 9th round. But MAB fought a smart fight he just wasn't active enough, but he did make the P4P number 1 fighter look bad so i would hardly say it was a bad performance.

Lastly i have gave you facts the facts are right there in those 2 fights, in none of those fights did he look like a C+ class fighter. Your assumptions that MAB will look like a C+ class fighter is just that an assumption, nothing more nothing less you cannot give me any facts to prove so.

Because in none of his previous fights has he looked anywhere close to a C+ class fighter. Im not making out those were his finest performances but jesus JT, he was fighting the two best P4P fighters in the world, i think he gave good account of himself in the Manny Pacquiao fight, and a superb account of himself in the JMM fight.

Amir Khan hasn't even been in with a B+ class fighter yet, and he was recently KO'ed by a nobody. And he has struggled against fighters even lower than C+ class.

Lastly who do i see MAB beating at Lightweight ? assuming he is ok at that weight ? Michael Katsidis, Juan Diaz, David Diaz, Julio Diaz, Edwin Valero, ETC. And i'd give him a decent chance against Nate Campbell, Joel Casamayor, ETC. Even if he didn't beat all the top fighters at Lightweight, he would be very competitive with every single one of them, if as i said he is fine at the weight.

Yes I saw the fight, Barrera USED to be one of those top guys, who on his best day could have beat JMM and given that he had plenty of preperation and a complete camp this time against PAC like he didnt a few years ago I would have said a younger Barrera could have won..

I feel Barrera is old, uninterested at this point and is there to be taken as a scalp for a younger guys resume...

To me this whole thing really hinges on the move up in weight against a younger, fresher, stronger athletically superior fighter... Barrera at this point cant battle father time.

Like I said, find me a worldclass operator A-B level fighter takeing warm up fights in chinese gyms against 17 loss guys??

I appreciate your opinion, but I'm keeping mind... Thanks for trying

[Kirkland Laing]

Barerra ended his GBP deal to set up his own promotions company but now he's being promoted by Don King. He was making two million a year just by being part of GBP. Why would he leave that and then sign with King?

[Fenster]

Obviously you can teach defense but its more of a natural instinct, i know everytime i finished throwing a combination and move backwards. My natural instinct is too put my hands up straight away, Amir Khan doesn't seem to have that instinct and he may never learn.

He hasn't learnt all through the Amateurs or in the Pro's. Even with different trainers so i don't see what else can be done. He is very chinny and if he doesn't improve his defense talent or not, he will never move up. And i doubt he can dramatically improve his defense that quickly before the MAB fight.

What boxing club are you a member of? You've had three fights, right?

I would have thought a young amatuer boxer would RESPECT Amir Khan greatly.. considering his tremendous success as an amatuer?

[donnydarkoIRL]

Hold on a minute.....
Didn't Barrera abscond from Golden boy a few months back?

Could Frank be getting Marco min his pocket before he fights Nate for the Title?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I agree with JT, the facts don't lie. Sure, he may of gave a good account of himself against JMM and Pac but these were OVER 1 year ago and since then he hasn't been terribly active. The sport of boxing has saw people deteriate in a year of unactive boxing many times. Infact I'd probably say DLH got beat so bad due to his inactivity.. 5 fights in as many years?

The clear facts here are we know how sharp, fast and agile Amir is in the ring currently.. he's been active. We won't know just how good Barrera still is until he steps into the ring.. so in my eyes it's more of a risk for Barrera if anything.

Mentally he could be washed up too.. he can't think too highly of himself anymore if his comeback fight is against a no name in china followed by another no name.

I don't think JT and Joey understand what 'tune up' means.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I agree with JT, the facts don't lie. Sure, he may of gave a good account of himself against JMM and Pac but these were OVER 1 year ago and since then he hasn't been terribly active. The sport of boxing has saw people deteriate in a year of unactive boxing many times. Infact I'd probably say DLH got beat so bad due to his inactivity.. 5 fights in as many years?

The clear facts here are we know how sharp, fast and agile Amir is in the ring currently.. he's been active. We won't know just how good Barrera still is until he steps into the ring.. so in my eyes it's more of a risk for Barrera if anything.

Mentally he could be washed up too.. he can't think too highly of himself anymore if his comeback fight is against a no name in china followed by another no name.

I don't think JT and Joey understand what 'tune up' means.

He's been actively getting Knocked the F**k Out has he not?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I agree with JT, the facts don't lie. Sure, he may of gave a good account of himself against JMM and Pac but these were OVER 1 year ago and since then he hasn't been terribly active. The sport of boxing has saw people deteriate in a year of unactive boxing many times. Infact I'd probably say DLH got beat so bad due to his inactivity.. 5 fights in as many years?

The clear facts here are we know how sharp, fast and agile Amir is in the ring currently.. he's been active. We won't know just how good Barrera still is until he steps into the ring.. so in my eyes it's more of a risk for Barrera if anything.

Mentally he could be washed up too.. he can't think too highly of himself anymore if his comeback fight is against a no name in china followed by another no name.

I don't think JT and Joey understand what 'tune up' means.

He's been actively getting Knocked the F**k Out has he not?

Well I was referring to Barrera getting a couple of tune up fights but yes, Amir has been getting knocked out

[Fenster]

Intresting that the odds have gone nearly full circle, when the fight was announced they had Barrera the 1/2 favourite, now most bookies have Kahn at 4/7.

That's because all the money is going on Khan, so if he wins the bookies don't take a pounding. That's why at World Cups you can get better odds on Brazil than you can on England.

Actually it was only Hills that installed Barrera as the jolly (they still have) everyone else had it the reverse.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

my local bookies wasn't even taking bets on it yet.

[canary]

barrera may be past his best but hes far from being shot. if that KD he scored against JMM was any indication, he still has the tools to beat khan by stoppage.

this is a good test for khan

[ross]

hmm, I dont know now, either Roach doesnt lke Kahn and wants to see him fall, again, or he knows that Barrera wont cope with Kahns size.

Im not so sure Kahns speed will be his biggest asset in this fight, it will be his size and strength advantage because Barrera is cute enough not to get roughed up by someone as green as Kahn.

Warren would not want to make the same mistake twice and must surely be certain that Kahn will win.

Marco is going to be quite a bit smaller but then so was Gomez, I dont think Kahn can fight going back so Barrera will have to push him and go to the body like Gomez did.

Is Mab strapped for cash right now? He said he wanted a title shot and was getting one before this fight was made, he must be getting a nice wedge and be pretty confident he can do a number on Kahn.

Like I said, kahn can look as good as he likes in controlled conditions in the gym but just 2 competetive rounds over a journeyman wont have taught him anything and he will be right back making the same mistakes thinking he can steamroll the smaller old legend.

I remember how nervous Kahn looked before he faced Prescott, wait till he sees the sullen faced Barrera opposite him, hes bound to still have doubts so soon in his career after that anhialation and could be quite tentative, especially seeing as how Barrera has been doing well with the likes of Marquez, Pacquiao and Juarez, who I think anybody would make all 3 favourites over Kahn.

Warren will have to learn to do his own match making from now on I think

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I saw a clip of an interview with Warren...he'd didn't look his usual confident self, it seems that Roach urged Khan in to the fight

[smashup]

I saw a clip of an interview with Warren...he'd didn't look his usual confident self, it seems that Roach urged Khan in to the fight

So it's safe to say that Khans ex trainer Jorge Rubio is a relative of Freddy Roach then

[ross]

Yep, seen that clip and Warren is forcing the smile and said a few "hopefullys" and also made sure he put the blame on Roach for the matchup, this early

Warren must be shiitting himself, all the money hes poured in to Khan and anohter loss so early in his career and its all over for Khan as a star attraction any more.

I think if Khan looses again that either Warren and Warren alone has the final say in his opponents or Warren will offload the liability.