Romney vs. BO - Saddo's kids race mongering thread

[El Kabong]

¿Lyle, what do you think about that Republican guy's idea to get rid of English as the official language of America?

¿Wouldn't that be a good thing for the GOP to champion to start their new attempt at Hispanic outreach?

Why shouldn't English be the "official language"? The Italians, Germans, Polish, Czechs, French, Russians, learned it when they came to the states, they looked at learning English as something to be proud of? That said, we've gotten by over 230 years without having an official language so why start now?

The thing Conservatives don't like is a sudden distaste for assimilation and that happens in times where you get an abundance of immigrants coming into the country.

[Kirkland Laing]

¿Lyle, what do you think about that Republican guy's idea to get rid of English as the official language of America?

¿Wouldn't that be a good thing for the GOP to champion to start their new attempt at Hispanic outreach?

Why shouldn't English be the "official language"? The Italians, Germans, Polish, Czechs, French, Russians, learned it when they came to the states, they looked at learning English as something to be proud of? That said, we've gotten by over 230 years without having an official language so why start now?

The thing Conservatives don't like is a sudden distaste for assimilation and that happens in times where you get an abundance of immigrants coming into the country.

But this is a conservative member of the Bush the Lesser administration saying that one of the things that should be done to make Hispanic immigrants feel more welcome in America is to end having English as the official language of government and have Spanish too. ¿The Republicans are going to have to agree to stuff like this and an amnesty for current Undocumented-Americans so don't you think a big announcement by the GOP supporting Spanish as an official language of America would be a good start?

[El Kabong]

But this is a conservative member of the Bush the Lesser administration saying that one of the things that should be done to make Hispanic immigrants feel more welcome in America is to end having English as the official language of government and have Spanish too. ¿The Republicans are going to have to agree to stuff like this and an amnesty for current Undocumented-Americans so don't you think a big announcement by the GOP supporting Spanish as an official language of America would be a good start?

#1 no they aren't and #2 that's the stupidest thing you've ever posted and you've had a few that were WAAAAAAY out there.

That's like saying "Everyone is Pro-choice so instead of being just pro-choice Republicans should gather up toddlers and feed them to crocodiles like the ancient Egyptians" fucking stupid

[Kirkland Laing]

They're going to agree to allow all the current Undocumented-Americans to stay in America and become Documented-Americans like you. It might take them another election loss before they do it but they'll do it. It might split the party and leave the GOP unelectable for a while but they'll do it.

[El Kabong]

The last people to advocate "Amnesty" for illegals were?? Anyone? Anyone? John McCain & Lindsay Graham REPUBLICANS....did that help the GOP? Did that win any hispanic votes?

[Kirkland Laing]

They're going to advocate it again. They've got no choice.

[VictorCharlie]

Honestly Lyle I agree with Kirk on this one. The GOP was shortsighted to ever go in another direction. They can provide alternative methods to amnesty but anything else is a loser for them.

[El Kabong]

Honestly Lyle I agree with Kirk on this one. The GOP was shortsighted to ever go in another direction. They can provide alternative methods to amnesty but anything else is a loser for them.

I'm saying they attempted that before and McCain & Graham's bill was stopped....by who? By the American people who crashed phone systems clling in to report their anger at it....but hey whatever you guys say

[VictorCharlie]

Well I think as usual this is a poorly messaged policy for the GOP. Immigrant labor is an important part of our work force. We have a large demand for unskilled cheap labor and they have a supply. Compound that with very little employment opportunities in Mexico and the effects aren't hard to predict. Deporting 15 million people is just a loser of a policy. There are multiple ways to handle it but they need to develop and message one that isn't antagonistic to Hispanics. Secondly they need to develop policy that overhauls the guest worker program. We need these people to fill jobs and it is reasonable to want to know who is coming in, what are they doing and when are they leaving so make a streamlined system that lets them work here legally. No matter what happens if they let the President get out in front of them on this they will be reactive in messaging versus pro-active.

[El Kabong]

And I'm telling you Reagan gave amnesty and it lost George H. W. Bush hispanic votes & when tried again by McCain & Graham the phone lines melted...that's just what happened, it's not what will happen but let's learn from the past. Providing a pathway to citizenship is cool with me but I'm not the only voter in the US.

[VictorCharlie]

The world changes Lyle. We have legal pot (sort of) in two states and gay marriage in more. Not too long ago these were loser initiaves even in progressive California. The GOP can either be on the right side of history or they can suffer the consequences.

[Kirkland Laing]

Honestly Lyle I agree with Kirk on this one. The GOP was shortsighted to ever go in another direction. They can provide alternative methods to amnesty but anything else is a loser for them.

I'm saying they attempted that before and McCain & Graham's bill was stopped....by who? By the American people who crashed phone systems clling in to report their anger at it....but hey whatever you guys say

Exactly. The GOP is between a rock and a hard place. They know they have to appeal to Hispanics and other groups, and an amnesty will just be the start of that and won't really help the GOP's situation by itself, but in appealing to minorities they're going to infuriate their own base. Most of the base will stay with them but a significant minority will just say fuck all y'all and not vote anymore.

This is the result of decades of appealing to the vast majority by bashing minorities. Now that the majority isn't so vast their previous tactics are coming back to bite them.

[El Kabong]

Exactly. The GOP is between a rock and a hard place. They know they have to appeal to Hispanics and other groups, and an amnesty will just be the start of that and won't really help the GOP's situation by itself, but in appealing to minorities they're going to infuriate their own base. Most of the base will stay with them but a significant minority will just say fuck all y'all and not vote anymore.

This is the result of decades of appealing to the vast majority by bashing minorities. Now that the majority isn't so vast their previous tactics are coming back to bite them.

Again, Reagan with a 37% portion of the hispanic vote, grants Amnesty. Next election George H.W. Bush garners 30% of the hispanic vote. Why was that the case?

[Kirkland Laing]

Exactly. The GOP is between a rock and a hard place. They know they have to appeal to Hispanics and other groups, and an amnesty will just be the start of that and won't really help the GOP's situation by itself, but in appealing to minorities they're going to infuriate their own base. Most of the base will stay with them but a significant minority will just say fuck all y'all and not vote anymore.

This is the result of decades of appealing to the vast majority by bashing minorities. Now that the majority isn't so vast their previous tactics are coming back to bite them.

Again, Reagan with a 37% portion of the hispanic vote, grants Amnesty. Next election George H.W. Bush garners 30% of the hispanic vote. Why was that the case?

Thjat's what I'm saying. Simply granting amnesty to Undocumented-Americans isn't going to be enough to persuade Hispanics to vote GOP. It's going to take a lot more than that.

In the end it doesn't matter anyway. You're never going to get the opportunity to vote for anything remotely resembling the current Republican party ever again. The whole party is about to move dramatically to the left on every single issue, not just amnesty for Undocumanteds.

[El Kabong]

Thjat's what I'm saying. Simply granting amnesty to Undocumented-Americans isn't going to be enough to persuade Hispanics to vote GOP. It's going to take a lot more than that.

In the end it doesn't matter anyway. You're never going to get the opportunity to vote for anything remotely resembling the current Republican party ever again. The whole party is about to move dramatically to the left on every single issue, not just amnesty for Undocumanteds.

Yes, of course "free stuff" why would they vote for any other reason?

If the Republicans move to the left then I'll vote Libertarian simple as that and it's "Undocumenteds" you simp