What the fuck is up with Obama's church?!?

[amat]

Just the way it is, its sexier than real issues. Its down to the people really, the media just covers what sells.

That and people might have a REAL issue with what was going on in Obama's church.

If W was sitting in a church with a preacher talking crap about black people ONCE (much less 20 years) then he'd be in a ton of fucking trouble.

Ummm...no matter how you slice it, Obama's church is not a real issue. He could be from the same church as Carlos Maussa it really has no bearing.

[Kirkland Laing]

Who cares about Obama's church? America faces a bunch of serious problems and the media are obsessed over something some fucking priest said. They should try doing their job instead of focusing on irrelevant crap.

Because the thoughts and ideas coming out of Obama's church are not changes I or anyone else believe in. Anyone believing in what Wright was spewing in his surmons is no different than anyone following any of the crazy white preachers out there.....and I wouldn't vote for any of them either

I can understand and appreciate what the Civil Rights movement did with churches but we're past that era.

McCain is backed by a bunch of crazy white preachers. A couple of them became public knowledge and he disowned them, but there are plenty more. Go start a McBush crazy preacher thread.

[El Kabong]

It does if he believes in what Wright and Co. are preaching and then he's running the country he's been hating his entire life A bit counterproductive if you ask me.....a person who loves America.

[Kirkland Laing]

It does if he believes in what Wright and Co. are preaching and then he's running the country he's been hating his entire life A bit counterproductive if you ask me.....a person who loves America.

If you look a why he joined the church in the firdt place it was down to Chicago politics. He's now left the church anyway, so let's talk about something relevant, like the disaster in Iraq.

[OumaFan]

Are you sure its not that he hates America and secretly wants to become President in order to help bring America down from the inside?

[amat]

It does if he believes in what Wright and Co. are preaching and then he's running the country he's been hating his entire life A bit counterproductive if you ask me.....a person who loves America.

Wasn't McCain friends with a Preacher who said the Holocaust was God's work? This is terrible, terrible. How are the Jews going to survive in a country run by McCain?

[Kirkland Laing]

Are you sure its not that he hates America and secretly wants to become President in order to help bring America down from the inside?

Do you mean McCain or Obama? Or Bush ?

[OumaFan]

I think Bush did his part in bringing down the country through sheer stupidity. Who knows?

[El Kabong]

If you look a why he joined the church in the firdt place it was down to Chicago politics. He's now left the church anyway, so let's talk about something relevant, like the disaster in Iraq.

That makes it better He's willing to sit through THAT to be President?!?! As for the Chicago Politics....maybe we can have a New Tamany Hall if Obama wins.


As for Iraq it will only get worse if we leave too soon....but hey what do I know....let's just let Iran put pressure on Israel allying all the Persian nations against them and then everything will be fine, at least fine for YOU because you don't believe Israel should have that land anyway.

[El Kabong]

I think Bush did his part in bringing down the country through sheer stupidity. Who knows?

Obama has just as much experience as W did when he first became President.


Kirkland maybe you could suggest a better Republican candidate than McCain?

And what Democrat do you like? Obama, Clinton, or someone else?

[OumaFan]

Yeah but Bush is an idiot

I'm in graduate school for history, mainly U.S. foreign policy, and I've been reading this book called The Hidden Hand Presidency about Eisenhower and how during his presidency people thought he was kind of out of it and just let his cabinet run everything and played golf all the time when it turned out that (whether you agreed with his policies or not) he was lucid and in control. I sometimes wonder if there will end up being a revisionist history like that about Bush, and we'll find out that he actually wasn't as stupid as he seems. I kind of doubt it.

[El Kabong]

Obama has no experience in foreign policy...McCain DOES!

[OumaFan]

Yes and he had the good judgment to support an obviously unnecessary war which obviously was going to do more to hurt the nation's interest than help it. Unlike the Democrats who supported the war because they were political cowards, McCain actually thought it was a good idea.

Which makes his self-congratulatory air about the surge seem a bit over the top.

[Kirkland Laing]

I think Bush did his part in bringing down the country through sheer stupidity. Who knows?

Obama has just as much experience as W did when he first became President.


Kirkland maybe you could suggest a better Republican candidate than McCain?

And what Democrat do you like? Obama, Clinton, or someone else?

Chuck Hagel would be a good GOP nominee. Either Obama or Clinton would be fine, although I'd prefer Clinton so she can run on a platform of bringing honour and integrity back to the White House.

McCain is a foreign policy cretin, QED.

[OumaFan]

Obama's only six delegates away. Hillary's apparently starting to talk about accepting the V.P.