Giving Joe Calzaghe Credit For Beating This Version Of RJJ.....

[Althugz]

I thought from midway on Joe Battered him and toyed with him at will...The evidence was on Jones face

He was there for the paycheck he didn't even try and win.

Joe Calzaghe was leaving himself wide open and RJJ done nothing, rubbish fight IMO.

Hit the nail on the head there...Lol Calzaghe fans do make me chuckle. I thought it was plain and obvious to see that RJ was there for the paycheck and nothing else.

Completely disinterested...add Calzaghe to the fighters he's had in huge trouble and refused to dispose of. If it really meant that much to him to show the world that 'Mr Unstoppable' was back then trust me he would have made more of an effort to dispatch of Calzaghe in the 1st. What a statement that would have been?? One that any hungry boxer wouldn't be able to resist.

Look at the fight with his last knockout...2002 vs Clinton Woods - He was RELENTLESS, I would have felt sorry for any man including Joe stepping in with that very man because he was too much for anybody. He would not leave Clinton alone.

The fans and experts that picked him to win expected Roy Jones to turn up in some shape or form...and this is the only thing I disagree with you on ICB...you give credit to Joe for beating 'this version' of Roy Jones?

Everybody knows that NO version of Roy Jones turned up for this fight - past or present.

Calzaghe gets my respect for Kessler - Credit where credit is due..he showed me something there. Still not a fan. You need better victories, better performances inside those victories and better opponents.

[Taeth]

Why did you pick Jones then?

I don't know why ICB picked him to win, but I've always said that unless Roy actually punches he won't win. He didn't punch and he didn't win. I was agreeing everytime people said that Joe was going to win easily.

[Taeth]

I also felt when Roy's hands were down Joe certainly wasn't landing anything either, he only landed weak body punches, albeit a lot of them, but he wasn't impressive either, maybe his speed was to a degree, but I also saw that he couldn't deal with Roy's speed when Roy punched, not that he couldn't get out of the way, but that he was out of position when he got out of the way, there almost no effective countering on either's guy's part, but Roy hasn't been countering effectively against lesser opponents so I didn't expect it from him, but you could see that Roy was just missing his counters, and he was covering up too much and not getting off. I think even the Roy that fought Tarver the first time gives Joe a very, very tough fight.

[Boom Boom]

This was a Tyson-Holmes type situation, and I agree that this wasnt a career defining win. A good win but not great. If it was a decade ago it would have been a great win.

[Kev]

This was a Tyson-Holmes type situation, and I agree that this wasnt a career defining win. A good win but not great. If it was a decade ago it would have been a great win.

Some would argue that Larry Holmes WAS Tyson's biggest win.

Apart from the light heavyweight Michael Spinks who did he beat who was better than even an old and past it Larry Holmes?

[Conrad]

Is just being a fan boy IMO and totally being biased. I'll copy and paste what i said in the other thread which is a fair comment IMO.

Well im not a Joe Calzaghe hater but if you give Joe Calzaghe any real credit. For beating RJJ i think your seriously being biased, RJJ last stoppage win was in 2002 against Clinton Woods, and in his last comeback fights he didn't show stamina or a killer instinct. And he only showed flashes of his old self, "flashes" being the key word here.

Give him credit for beating Chris Eubank although he was weight drained which does take away from Joe Calzaghe's win somewhat. It was still a good performance and Chris Eubank still had quite alot left in the tank, which showed in his great performance's against Carl Thompson.

Give him credit for beating Mikkel Kessler, who was the number 2 man in the division at that time. Who was a very dangerous opponent who has very good skills, and can punch.

Give him credit for beating Bernard Hopkins, although disputable Bernard Hopkins still has alot left in the tank. Which showed against Antonio Tarver, Kelly Pavlik.

But i will give him no credit for beating a shot RJJ, or beating the overhyped Jeff Lacy. Who was struggling against mediocre opposition even before he got embarrassed against Joe Calzaghe.

Oh man, this is becoming tiresome.

The irony of this thread is that you're complaining about the very thing that you yourself are doing.

This thread, the Robin Reid thread and the 'disgraceful' thread all point to you being a hater. A hater is the exact same thing as a fanboy, letting your heart rule your head.

Members here, members on other boards, pro boxers, trainers and a lot of writers were picking RJJ to win. As Fenster rightly points out, if these people were still predicting the RJJ win then how can Joe's victory be worthless?

[ICB]

Is just being a fan boy IMO and totally being biased. I'll copy and paste what i said in the other thread which is a fair comment IMO.

Well im not a Joe Calzaghe hater but if you give Joe Calzaghe any real credit. For beating RJJ i think your seriously being biased, RJJ last stoppage win was in 2002 against Clinton Woods, and in his last comeback fights he didn't show stamina or a killer instinct. And he only showed flashes of his old self, "flashes" being the key word here.

Give him credit for beating Chris Eubank although he was weight drained which does take away from Joe Calzaghe's win somewhat. It was still a good performance and Chris Eubank still had quite alot left in the tank, which showed in his great performance's against Carl Thompson.

Give him credit for beating Mikkel Kessler, who was the number 2 man in the division at that time. Who was a very dangerous opponent who has very good skills, and can punch.

Give him credit for beating Bernard Hopkins, although disputable Bernard Hopkins still has alot left in the tank. Which showed against Antonio Tarver, Kelly Pavlik.

But i will give him no credit for beating a shot RJJ, or beating the overhyped Jeff Lacy. Who was struggling against mediocre opposition even before he got embarrassed against Joe Calzaghe.

Oh man, this is becoming tiresome.

The irony of this thread is that you're complaining about the very thing that you yourself are doing.

This thread, the Robin Reid thread and the 'disgraceful' thread all point to you being a hater. A hater is the exact same thing as a fanboy, letting your heart rule your head.

Members here, members on other boards, pro boxers, trainers and a lot of writers were picking RJJ to win. As Fenster rightly points out, if these people were still predicting the RJJ win then how can Joe's victory be worthless?

All im doing is voicing my opinion what exactly have i done wrong ? i said before the fight i would give Joe Calzaghe no credit for beating a fighter 7 years past his prime and i didn't.

I gave Joe Calzaghe credit for beating Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Chris Eubank. But how exactly can you give Joe Calzaghe credit for beating RJJ based on the last few years ?

You call me a hater yet you still haven't proved me wrong, and all you did in that post is skirt over the issue and once again use an argument based on other peoples opinions.

What about your opinion ? IMO i don't think Joe Calzaghe deserves any real credit for beating RJJ, RJJ hasn't been impressive in any of his fights since moving back down in weight.

Especially in his comeback fights he showed no killer instinct, when he had Anthony Hanshaw, Felix Trinidad. In huge trouble the fact that RJJ hasn't had a stoppage win since 2002 speaks volumes.

[Conrad]

Is just being a fan boy IMO and totally being biased. I'll copy and paste what i said in the other thread which is a fair comment IMO.

Well im not a Joe Calzaghe hater but if you give Joe Calzaghe any real credit. For beating RJJ i think your seriously being biased, RJJ last stoppage win was in 2002 against Clinton Woods, and in his last comeback fights he didn't show stamina or a killer instinct. And he only showed flashes of his old self, "flashes" being the key word here.

Give him credit for beating Chris Eubank although he was weight drained which does take away from Joe Calzaghe's win somewhat. It was still a good performance and Chris Eubank still had quite alot left in the tank, which showed in his great performance's against Carl Thompson.

Give him credit for beating Mikkel Kessler, who was the number 2 man in the division at that time. Who was a very dangerous opponent who has very good skills, and can punch.

Give him credit for beating Bernard Hopkins, although disputable Bernard Hopkins still has alot left in the tank. Which showed against Antonio Tarver, Kelly Pavlik.

But i will give him no credit for beating a shot RJJ, or beating the overhyped Jeff Lacy. Who was struggling against mediocre opposition even before he got embarrassed against Joe Calzaghe.

Oh man, this is becoming tiresome.

The irony of this thread is that you're complaining about the very thing that you yourself are doing.

This thread, the Robin Reid thread and the 'disgraceful' thread all point to you being a hater. A hater is the exact same thing as a fanboy, letting your heart rule your head.

Members here, members on other boards, pro boxers, trainers and a lot of writers were picking RJJ to win. As Fenster rightly points out, if these people were still predicting the RJJ win then how can Joe's victory be worthless?

All im doing is voicing my opinion what exactly have i done wrong ? i said before the fight i would give Joe Calzaghe no credit for beating a fighter 7 years past his prime and i didn't.

I gave Joe Calzaghe credit for beating Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Chris Eubank. But how exactly can you give Joe Calzaghe credit for beating RJJ based on the last few years ?

You call me a hater yet you still haven't proved me wrong, and all you did in that post is skirt over the issue and once again use an argument based on other peoples opinions.

What about your opinion ? IMO i don't think Joe Calzaghe deserves any real credit for beating RJJ, RJJ hasn't been impressive in any of his fights since moving back down in weight.

Especially in his comeback fights he showed no killer instinct, when he had Anthony Hanshaw, Felix Trinidad. In huge trouble the fact that RJJ hasn't had a stoppage win since 2002 speaks volumes.

You're missing my point entirely.

I'm not doubting what you said before the fight or since. Nor am I agreeing with or against your opinion. I'm just pointing out that the three threads you've started since the fight have been created to slag Calzaghe off in some way. That's something haters/fanboys do....

The point me and Fenster was trying to make was that a lot of people thought RJJ would win. Lennox Lewis, Malinaggi, Hopkins, Winky Wright, Dan Rafael etc etc

Now if you were to ask those very same people if Joe deserves absolutely no credit whatsoever what do you think they will say?

In case you were wondering, here's what Dan Rafael had to say sfter he predicted wrong:

ESPN - Joe Calzaghe dominates Roy Jones over 12 rounds to stay undefeated