Is Hatton Pac's most powerful opponent yet?

[levi#1BoxingFan]

Hattons power is not going to be as effective as what you might think IMO. For power to even be effective its got to land. I believe that will be the problem for Ricky Hatton. Pacquiao's movement from his head to his feet will give Hatton problems all night long. To me speed is more important in this fight than power. Ricky Hatton is powerful but Pacquiao has some stone hands himself. Its not just speed that has stopped so many of Pacquiao's opponets. When Hatton fought Mayweather, he was head hunting all night, not investing in the body at all and I think thats what cost him the fight. With Pacquiao's equally if not more impressive movement I think this fight will end up the same way, except not a one punch knockout. Im going with an 11th round TKO. Winner Manny Pacquiao. I think it will be a very entertaining fight!

[El Kabong]

Well I think Ricky Hatton has had his day you can't yo-yo your weight so much and still be the same guy. I don't think Mayweather's training style will help him either.

Pacquiao will have to watch out for the clinching and infighting Hatton loves to do. Ricky is going to try and bully Pacquiao and as always I think Manny is going to use his speed and agility to land power punches. Manny has too much speed, too much stamina for Ricky to handle....Ricky's best shot is to make it a rough fight and wear Manny down which he has the ability to do....I just don't know how Ricky is going to take to the southpaw stance vs a guy with fast hands and good power.

[Julius Rain]

He Stopped him

he sure did...and?

Kostya is one of my favorite but does he rank up there with eric, marco, and jmm?

Well, yes.

Kostya is rated as perhaps the gretest Light Welter ever and was ranked by many as p4p No.1 when MAB and Erik were in their primes (before Pac fought them.)

oh really now?

how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy

well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.

Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera

[donnydarkoIRL]

he sure did...and?

Kostya is one of my favorite but does he rank up there with eric, marco, and jmm?

Well, yes.

Kostya is rated as perhaps the gretest Light Welter ever and was ranked by many as p4p No.1 when MAB and Erik were in their primes (before Pac fought them.)

oh really now?

how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy

well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.

Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera

It's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.

Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.

As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.

Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.

[ICB]

Well, yes.

Kostya is rated as perhaps the gretest Light Welter ever and was ranked by many as p4p No.1 when MAB and Erik were in their primes (before Pac fought them.)

oh really now?

how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy

well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.

Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera

It's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.

Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.

As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.

Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.

You could also argue MAB was coming off some of his best wins before he fought Manny Pacquiao. He looked great beating Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Erik Morales 2. And i have to say the 2nd meeting between Erik Morales and MAB wasn't a brutal fight at all.

Infact that was a fight that never caught fire to me, the first 6 rounds were mostly alot of boxing and little action. Then the fight sort of picked up in the last 6 rounds, but it certainly wasn't a brutal fight by any means, infact it was a walk in the park compared to there other 2 fights.

[Julius Rain]

Well, yes.

Kostya is rated as perhaps the gretest Light Welter ever and was ranked by many as p4p No.1 when MAB and Erik were in their primes (before Pac fought them.)

oh really now?

how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy

well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.

Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera

It's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.

Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.

As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.

Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.

well koysta wasn't just about power. he was awesome to watch because of his accuracy.

I was actually suprise floyd ko'ed ricky, floyd is not well known for his power. Nor is Lazcano but Juan Lazcano was able to hit and nearly put hatton away. Knowing how good a trainer roach is, im sure his going to send pacman out on hatton with a solid game plan. Ok sure pac has not fought at 140, but his speed,stamina and power seem to be there even at 147. Plus he doesn't have to drain himself to make weight anymore. You guys may believe hatton is a devestating body puncher, but is he really? he looked great against pauli but pauli is a soft puncher, hatton could of cared less if pauli caught him with whatever. His going to care and really feel pacs punches though, he probubly wont see them coming nor know where or when they get to him

[Julius Rain]

oh really now?

how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy

well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.

Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera

It's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.

Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.

As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.

Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.

You could also argue MAB was coming off some of his best wins before he fought Manny Pacquiao. He looked great beating Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Erik Morales 2. And i have to say the 2nd meeting between Erik Morales and MAB wasn't a brutal fight at all.

Infact that was a fight that never caught fire to me, the first 6 rounds were mostly alot of boxing and little action. Then the fight sort of picked up in the last 6 rounds, but it certainly wasn't a brutal fight by any means, infact it was a walk in the park compared to there other 2 fights.

I really think people buy into that whole myth about "too much war" Jesus Christ, pac is only 30 and he has been in more war then anybody. Seriously have you guyss seen pacs earlier battles before he came to the states. By the time he got to the states he was use to all the wars.

I love Mab i do, but seriously people need to quit with the "too much war" excuses.

When mab first met pac, he only had 2 matches with eric the trilogy came after the pac fight, and he already had several fights after he had his skull surgery, and the camp distraction excuses. Well he didn't do any better in the rematch did he? he just went an extra round longer

Thats right Ice, plus marco already had several fights after he had his surgery. He didn't just had surgery then he fought pac. He already had several fights and won. However the media just found out he had skull surgery right before the pac fight. make sense?

The excuse of "too many war" would be legit if it wasn't against a guy who has the same amount of "war" if not more under his belt. Even Eric Morales said its just a myth.

[JazMerkin]

Hattons power is not going to be as effective as what you might think IMO. For power to even be effective its got to land. I believe that will be the problem for Ricky Hatton. Pacquiao's movement from his head to his feet will give Hatton problems all night long. To me speed is more important in this fight than power. Ricky Hatton is powerful but Pacquiao has some stone hands himself. Its not just speed that has stopped so many of Pacquiao's opponets. When Hatton fought Mayweather, he was head hunting all night, not investing in the body at all and I think thats what cost him the fight. With Pacquiao's equally if not more impressive movement I think this fight will end up the same way, except not a one punch knockout. Im going with an 11th round TKO. Winner Manny Pacquiao. I think it will be a very entertaining fight!

Actually having re-watched the fight just last night, I can say that isn't true. Hatton did try & go to the body in order to slow Mayweather down, the problem he found was the shoulder roll kept taking the effectiveness of that away. Also that fight was most definitely not a one punch knockout, Hatton went down from an accumulation of punches, and anyone who's watched the fight can see that he couldn't deal with the precision.

However, even though I will be supporting Hatton, I would still favour Pacquiao in this fight because his speed will keep him away from Hatton on the outside. Also I think Hatton may get caught with flurries in much the same way that Diaz did against him. However, I don't see Hatton getting knocked out, but I think Pacquiao may well drop him at least once. As good as Kostya Tszyu was he was not anywhere near as quick as Pacquiao, and I think if Pacquiao trys to fight smart and not let Hatton get him on the inside than he should box to a UD. Most people watching the fight know Mayweather could have chosen to spend the whole night potshotting as he did against Baldomir, but appeared to fight on the inside to prove a point to Hatton given some of the pre-fight comments. When he did chose to hit him on the outside, the speed & accumulation of punches is what handed Hatton defeat, and Pacquiao can more than match this if boxes smart. However, if Hatton can cut down the ring and keep it on the inside, then the fact Pac's arms are so long will count against him, and Hatton could cause him some problems. However, like I said above I don't see this happening

[ICB]

It's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.

Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.

As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.

Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.

You could also argue MAB was coming off some of his best wins before he fought Manny Pacquiao. He looked great beating Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Erik Morales 2. And i have to say the 2nd meeting between Erik Morales and MAB wasn't a brutal fight at all.

Infact that was a fight that never caught fire to me, the first 6 rounds were mostly alot of boxing and little action. Then the fight sort of picked up in the last 6 rounds, but it certainly wasn't a brutal fight by any means, infact it was a walk in the park compared to there other 2 fights.

I really think people buy into that whole myth about "too much war" Jesus Christ, pac is only 30 and he has been in more war then anybody. Seriously have you guyss seen pacs earlier battles before he came to the states. By the time he got to the states he was use to all the wars.

I love Mab i do, but seriously people need to quit with the "too much war" excuses.

When mab first met pac, he only had 2 matches with eric the trilogy came after the pac fight, and he already had several fights after he had his skull surgery, and the camp distraction excuses. Well he didn't do any better in the rematch did he? he just went an extra round longer

Thats right Ice, plus marco already had several fights after he had his surgery. He didn't just had surgery then he fought pac. He already had several fights and won. However the media just found out he had skull surgery right before the pac fight. make sense?

The excuse of "too many war" would be legit if it wasn't against a guy who has the same amount of "war" if not more under his belt. Even Eric Morales said its just a myth.

Rains the stuff you quoted in red i didn't say that Donny did. I was actually sort of agreeing with you i wasn't using any excuses. I think you need to read my post again.

[CGM]

Yeah Conrad, we can ignore the DLH fight, it means very little. Sooner or later PAC is going to find himself in too deep with the weight thing. When that will be I'm not sure. Hatton is probably is toughest opponent in that sense, although PAC has fought "better" guys in the p4p sense.

[Julius Rain]

Oh yea back to Mab:

to be exact, his brain surgery was 6 years and 16 fights ago before the first pacquiao match. So that excuse is really not valid.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

Just curious Jaz, how does a shoulder roll take the effectiveness of landing a body shot away? Your shoulder protects your chin, not your gut.

[JazMerkin]

Just curious Jaz, how does a shoulder roll take the effectiveness of landing a body shot away? Your shoulder protects your chin, not your gut.

Because when PBF does it, he effectively positions his body at a 90 degree angle to his opponent, and used his elbows to protect his gut. Also Joe Cortez reffing that night meant that when he did this, if Hatton went with a body shot with his left, Cortez would pull him up for hitting Mayweather behind the back. So basically whenever Hatton went to the body he would get pulled up on it because of how Mayweather was fighting. Hatton wasn't smart enough on the night to create the angles so he could get his punches in, & Cortez didn't help on this. So yeah that's why in my opinion the shoulder roll meant Hatton could not get in any meaningful work to the body.

[brucelee]

oh really now?

how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy

well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.

Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera

It's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.

Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.

As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.

Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.

You could also argue MAB was coming off some of his best wins before he fought Manny Pacquiao. He looked great beating Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Erik Morales 2. And i have to say the 2nd meeting between Erik Morales and MAB wasn't a brutal fight at all.

Infact that was a fight that never caught fire to me, the first 6 rounds were mostly alot of boxing and little action. Then the fight sort of picked up in the last 6 rounds, but it certainly wasn't a brutal fight by any means, infact it was a walk in the park compared to there other 2 fights.

I agree with you ICB. MAB was just coronated as king of the featherweight when he fought Pac. That was after MAB schooled Hamed. People are forgetting this. Pac was fighting MAB who was at his peak.IMO.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Is hatton pac's most holding opponent yet?