So long, Dubya

[Von Milash]

I'm not so sure Lyle likes this thread.

[X]

No, unfortunately I have yet to remember a time when Lyle has been persuaded he was initially wrong about anything.

That takes away the point of debate really - once you end up arguing with someone who just wants to prove they are right, or who'se ultimate aim is to turn you to their point of view, then it's not really a debate.

Lots of people - and I'm not particularly having a pop at Lyle here - find it too hard to listen at the same time they are talking. Ol Dubya fits that bill perfectly.

Still, you can't help but find some of the true quotes that Dubya has made to be quite funny. Genuinely, anybody who come out with stuff like that has at best a 'confused' mind. Quality - we will miss having the idiot around, a bit like a drunken gurning uncle at your best friend's wedding.

[CGM]

.....go fuck yourself

c'mon Lyle. You gotta admit that these quotes are kinda funny. Or maybe they just make you cringe?

[Trainer Monkey]

No, unfortunately I have yet to remember a time when Lyle has been persuaded he was initially wrong about anything.

That takes away the point of debate really - once you end up arguing with someone who just wants to prove they are right, or who'se ultimate aim is to turn you to their point of view, then it's not really a debate.

Lots of people - and I'm not particularly having a pop at Lyle here - find it too hard to listen at the same time they are talking. Ol Dubya fits that bill perfectly.

Still, you can't help but find some of the true quotes that Dubya has made to be quite funny. Genuinely, anybody who come out with stuff like that has at best a 'confused' mind. Quality - we will miss having the idiot around, a bit like a drunken gurning uncle at your best friend's wedding.

Considering his father cant speak English either,is it any surprise that he says stuff like that?

[X]

the state now has Soviet-level powers to spy on its own population and a whole bunch of other stuff. I wonder how things got like that.

and to imprison people without trial for years, to enter people's homes without justifiable cause, to spy on emails and mobile phone conversations, to demand DNA information .........

But it's because we are fighting for freedom, of course.

[Andre]

Right is only there, but wrong is there and there = tunnel vision.

[Andre]

I got pretty pumped at the "bring em on" line...but then again I get paid to shoot insurgents...Not the best we've had and not the worst, but I liked that he wasn't always PC. I expect little of the presidency other than to have a strong proactive foreign policy...His worked for me.

Do you enjoy the kill?

[Trainer Monkey]

Americans giving Obama extraordinary support: polls - Yahoo! News

[Kirkland Laing]

the state now has Soviet-level powers to spy on its own population and a whole bunch of other stuff. I wonder how things got like that.

and to imprison people without trial for years, to enter people's homes without justifiable cause, to spy on emails and mobile phone conversations, to demand DNA information .........

But it's because we are fighting for freedom, of course.

ARTICLE 125. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to strengthen the socialist system, the citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed by law:

1. freedom of speech;
2. freedom of the press;
3. freedom of assembly, including the holding of mass meetings;
4. reedom of street processions and demonstrations.

These civil rights are ensured by placing at the disposal of the working people and their organizations printing presses, stocks of paper, public buildings, the streets, communications facilities and other material requisites for the exercise of these rights.


ARTICLE 127. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed inviolability of the person. No person may be placed under arrest except by decision of a court or with the sanction of a procurator.



ARTICLE 128. The inviolability of the homes of citizens and privacy of correspondence are protected by law.



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[Kirkland Laing]

Americans giving Obama extraordinary support: polls - Yahoo! News

You only ever see numbers that high for a president after a national disaster, which tells you how Americans view the Bush administration.

[RP33]

I'm going to give Obama just as much of a chance as you guys gave W. So he's going to catch hell from day 1....so I'll wait until he is put into office and then the destruction begins.

dude, no one disliked Bush until he showed how much of a moron he was.. He was not disliked by the masses like he is now since day 1..

X put it in some pretty good terms in regards to your arguments.. it's like debating with a wall..

people have hope for Obama BECAUSE of what Bush did.. It's exciting to see someone who has some charisma and some intelligence to take over after the failure that is Bush.. He has a lot of expectations to live up to, there is no doubt about that, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't encourage him to succeed.. And to say that you're going to wait until he is in office to bash him is a joke, because the whole campaign you were bashing him.

[Andre]

Americans giving Obama extraordinary support: polls - Yahoo! News

You only ever see numbers that high for a president after a national disaster, which tells you how Americans view the Bush administration.

Most of the world viewed him as a puppet for his dad and his old office mates more so when he took up his dads original fight against Iraq.

Old ways are about to die off in the world thank God ,but unfortunatley they will have their last shot at war and more unrest before they are all gone,that goes for both sides who are killing in the name of.

[OumaFan]

I watched ABC, you could tell the announcers were getting a bit sentimental when George was getting on the helicopter, trying to come up with nice things to say about him, I decided instead on the laughter and tears of joy route.

[X]

George who? ..........

[Kirkland Laing]

Americans giving Obama extraordinary support: polls - Yahoo! News

You only ever see numbers that high for a president after a national disaster, which tells you how Americans view the Bush administration.

Most of the world viewed him as a puppet for his dad and his old office mates more so when he took up his dads original fight against Iraq.

Old ways are about to die off in the world thank God ,but unfortunatley they will have their last shot at war and more unrest before they are all gone,that goes for both sides who are killing in the name of.

Joschka Fischer, German foreign minister and vice-chancellor: We thought we were going back to the old days of Bush 41. And ironically enough Rumsfeld, but even more Cheney, together with Powell, were seen as indications that the young president, who was not used to the outside world, who didn’t travel very much, who didn’t seem to be very experienced, would be embedded into these Bush 41 guys. Their foreign-policy skills were extremely good and strongly admired. So we were not very concerned. Of course, there was this strange thing with these “neocons,” but every party has its fringes. It was not very alarming.
Lawrence Wilkerson, top aide and later chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell: We had this confluence of characters—and I use that term very carefully—that included people like Powell, Dick Cheney, Condi Rice, and so forth, which allowed one perception to be “the dream team.” It allowed everybody to believe that this Sarah Palin–like president—because, let’s face it, that’s what he was—was going to be protected by this national-security elite, tested in the cauldrons of fire. What in effect happened was that a very astute, probably the most astute, bureaucratic entrepreneur I’ve ever run into in my life became the vice president of the United States.
He became vice president well before George Bush picked him. And he began to manipulate things from that point on, knowing that he was going to be able to convince this guy to pick him, knowing that he was then going to be able to wade into the vacuums that existed around George Bush—personality vacuum, character vacuum, details vacuum, experience vacuum.
Richard Clarke, chief White House counterterrorism adviser: We had a couple of meetings with the president, and there were detailed discussions and briefings on cyber-security and often terrorism, and on a classified program. With the cyber-security meeting, he seemed—I was disturbed because he seemed to be trying to impress us, the people who were briefing him. It was as though he wanted these experts, these White House staff guys who had been around for a long time before he got there—didn’t want them buying the rumor that he wasn’t too bright. He was trying—sort of overly trying—to show that he could ask good questions, and kind of yukking it up with Cheney.
The contrast with having briefed his father and Clinton and Gore was so marked. And to be told, frankly, early in the administration, by Condi Rice and [her deputy] Steve Hadley, you know, Don’t give the president a lot of long memos, he’s not a big reader—well, shit. I mean, the president of the United States is not a big reader?







An Oral History of the Bush White House: Politics & Power: vanityfair.com