Challenge to all.........

[fan johnny]

Not until hes unbeaten as a champ for 12 years and still beating the top boys when hes 36 and unfortunately for Floyd thats not going to happen now, Joe has no comparisons

Uhh please Floyd Mayweather Jr makes Joe Calzaghe's resume look like a joke, he's also won 5 titles in 5 weightclasses which only a handful of fighters have done. He's also been P4P number 1 for a few years, Floyd Mayweather Jr could fight until he's 40 and still be effective.

I agree with u there. Actually floyd could fight til hes like 50 the way he picks his opponents.

"won 5 titles in 5 weightclasses"

(So what! It doesn't mean that Floyd had more accomplishments than Joe or that he faced better fighters than Joe)

I don't beleive Mayweather Jr could fight past 35 and be any kind of challenge. Even Floyd knows he's done and even admits his body can't take it anymore. First, he doesn't have the will, Second he doesn't have right body frame. (to skinny) He's already slowed down to the point he gets hit even though his is considered in his prime. Lastly, he's retired and is not going to fight anymore. Show me the date of his next fight, else talk about the man in the past tense not the present. Floyd' was a great fighter at super featherweight. A good fighter at Jr Welterweight/Welterweight. His last few fights were based on the most earnings with the least amount of risk. And that would be true for most any fighter in the position he was in.

"He's also been P4P number 1 for a few years"
Take a look at the p4p rankings and tell me where Floyd is ranked.

You can compare both fighters records/resumes and come up with facts that show they were great fighters. You can also look at both fighters careers and come up with facts that depict them as 'cherry pickers' but it is all subjective and pointless. The truth is there is no way to compare the greatness of fighters unless they have fought the same fighters. With these two it is not possible. So all anybody can really do is argue about who they think is greater.

[iwng100]

I keep hearing all this negative stuff about Calzhage and I'm just stunned. The guy is the most complete package of our era.

Tell me where you guys guys have found a better package of Speed, Heart, Ring Smarts, Adjustments, Chin, Conditioning, Skill, Dedication and his fights are clean. No need to cheat when you're this good i guess. (Hopkins)

He is the complete package but he’s not the only one, the problem is he fought the best boxers (RJJ and Hopkins) when they got old, in other words he didn’t really proved he’s the best but he always acted like he was.
Though I give him credit for all his accomplishment and even though he wasn’t the best IMO, he was a great boxer who deserves a place in HOF and I give him the proper respect (not like some of his compatriots).

[Howlin Mad Missy]

He is the complete package but he’s not the only one, the problem is he fought the best boxers (RJJ and Hopkins) when they got old, in other words he didn’t really proved he’s the best but he always acted like he was.

This I think is where many people issues with him lie.

Why for so long did he refuse to move up and fight them?

He overcame his fear of flying too conveniently.

Who did he fight on near equal terms, i.e age/experience? Reid? Kessler?
You can't put Lacy in that group.

Certainly a very talented fighter but honestly the field didn't seem that deep, fighters somehow need a defining fight to propel them above the field. I don't think JC really had that. & No, sorry, Hopkins/Jones don't do that.

[ICB]

I keep hearing all this negative stuff about Calzhage and I'm just stunned. The guy is the most complete package of our era.

Tell me where you guys guys have found a better package of Speed, Heart, Ring Smarts, Adjustments, Chin, Conditioning, Skill, Dedication and his fights are clean. No need to cheat when you're this good i guess. (Hopkins)

The easiest question ever on this forum.

Muhamamd Ali
Salvador Sanchez
Ricardo Lopez
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sugar Ray Robinson
Mike McCallum
Larry Holmes
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Pernell Whitaker
Ezzard Charles
Marvin Hagler
Roy Jones Jr
Alexis Arguello
Gene Tunney
Azumah Nelson
Miguel Canto

Should i go on ?

[ross]

Non could stay at the absolute pinnacle of their game and be the best regarded p4p fighter in or around their weight for 12 constant years and right up till they were 36 and retire undefeated

[ICB]

Non could stay at the absolute pinnacle of their game and be the best regarded p4p fighter in or around their weight for 12 constant years and right up till they were 36 and retire undefeated

Archie Moore did it until he was 46 and i mean manage to stay at near the top of the division, no boxer in the world would stay undefeated against his opposition and with the number of fights he had.

[Rocky Balboa]

Agreed ^^^.

Bernard Hopkins = 43

Put him with Calzaghe 5 years ago Hopkins would have won. Now give me another name please. Lacy? Ok, ONE guy that wasn't too old. Just one. Roy Jones Jr is way past his prime (which was cut short but his weight problems). Give me any names, ANY other than Lacy. Not some old, past their prime champions.

Floyd Mayweather on the other hand: De La Hoya (yes, he without a doubt won that fight), Zab Judah, Ricky Hatton, Arturo Gatti (ok, might not deserve to be on this list), among others.

And possibly, hopefully Pacqiuao sometime on the list. Or maybe Mosley.

Mayweather, doubtlessly better than Calzaghe. Calzaghe has fought has beens all his career (don't give me this "Jeff Lacy thing"), Floyd hasn't: end of story.

[ross]

Bernard was offered the match 5 years ago and after agreeing on everything, he suddenly doubled his money demands, when the realisation it him he shiit his pants

Mayweather did a good job of fighting people coming off losses and avoiding Tszyu, hes not even relevant anymore, who is he, everyones talking about Joe because hes a better fighter, no one gave a shiit when Floyd retired, there wasnt this much debate when Floyd quit because we all agreed "big deal!"

[ICB]

Bernard was offered the match 5 years ago and after agreeing on everything, he suddenly doubled his money demands, when the realisation it him he shiit his pants

Mayweather did a good job of fighting people coming off losses and avoiding Tszyu, hes not even relevant anymore, who is he, everyones talking about Joe because hes a better fighter, no one gave a shiit when Floyd retired, there wasnt this much debate when Floyd quit because we all agreed "big deal!"

Are you kidding me ? there wasn't much debate when Floyd Mayweather Jr retired ? there was threads upon threads of it and there still is. Kostya Tszyu would of got his shot had he beat Ricky Hatton, Ricky Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu and he got his shot against Floyd Mayweather Jr.

And Floyd Mayweather Jr beat the man who beat Kostya Tszyu, if Joe Calzaghe is the better fighter then why wasn't he rated P4P number 1 ? and why is Floyd Mayweather considered much higher in the all time rankings ? And if your honestly trying to tell me Joe Calzaghe is a more skilled fighter than Floyd Mayweather, then you need medical attention.

Floyd Mayweather Jr

Ricky Hatton
ODLH
Genaro Hernandez
Jose Luis Castillo x2
Diego Corrales
Zab Judah
Arturo Gatti
Emanuel Augustus
Angel Manfredy
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Phillip N'dou
Victoriano Sosa

World titles Super Featherweight, Lightweight, Jr Welterweight, Welterweight, Jr Middleweight

Joe Calzaghe

Robin Reid
Mikkel Kessler
Roy Jones Jr
Bernard Hopkins
Charles Brewer
Chris Eubank
Byron Mitchell
Jeff Lacy
Sakio Bika
Charles Brewer
Omar Sheika
Richie Woodhall
Mario Veit x2

World titles Super Middleweight, Light Heavyweight.

[Bx730NY]

Bernard was offered the match 5 years ago and after agreeing on everything, he suddenly doubled his money demands, when the realisation it him he shiit his pants

Mayweather did a good job of fighting people coming off losses and avoiding Tszyu, hes not even relevant anymore, who is he, everyones talking about Joe because hes a better fighter, no one gave a shiit when Floyd retired, there wasnt this much debate when Floyd quit because we all agreed "big deal!"

Are you kidding me ? there wasn't much debate when Floyd Mayweather Jr retired ? there was threads upon threads of it and there still is. Kostya Tszyu would of got his shot had he beat Ricky Hatton, Ricky Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu and he got his shot against Floyd Mayweather Jr.

And Floyd Mayweather Jr beat the man who beat Kostya Tszyu, if Joe Calzaghe is the better fighter then why wasn't he rated P4P number 1 ? and why is Floyd Mayweather considered much higher in the all time rankings ? And if your honestly trying to tell me Joe Calzaghe is a more skilled fighter than Floyd Mayweather, then you need medical attention.

Floyd Mayweather Jr

Ricky Hatton
ODLH
Genaro Hernandez
Jose Luis Castillo x2
Diego Corrales
Zab Judah
Arturo Gatti
Emanuel Augustus
Angel Manfredy
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Phillip N'dou
Victoriano Sosa

World titles Super Featherweight, Lightweight, Jr Welterweight, Welterweight, Jr Middleweight

Joe Calzaghe

Robin Reid
Mikkel Kessler
Roy Jones Jr
Bernard Hopkins
Charles Brewer
Chris Eubank
Byron Mitchell
Jeff Lacy
Sakio Bika
Charles Brewer
Omar Sheika
Richie Woodhall
Mario Veit x2

World titles Super Middleweight, Light Heavyweight.

I will say that Joe is better than floyd. Can you imagine them fighting in the same weight? floyd would be trying to counter all night and would be overwhelmed by the speed skill and workrate of Joe.

floyd struggled with another fast southpaw in Judah that isn't 1/10 the fighter, ring general or has half the ring IQ of Joe and Zab would have won if he wouldn't have faded so fast.

BTW, the reason he was never rated above floyd is because of his lack of american exposure. floyd got on the big stage and did nothing with it but avoid every dangerous opponent.

[Bx730NY]

I keep hearing all this negative stuff about Calzhage and I'm just stunned. The guy is the most complete package of our era.

Tell me where you guys guys have found a better package of Speed, Heart, Ring Smarts, Adjustments, Chin, Conditioning, Skill, Dedication and his fights are clean. No need to cheat when you're this good i guess. (Hopkins)

The easiest question ever on this forum.

Muhamamd Ali
Salvador Sanchez
Ricardo Lopez
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sugar Ray Robinson
Mike McCallum
Larry Holmes
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Pernell Whitaker
Ezzard Charles
Marvin Hagler
Roy Jones Jr
Alexis Arguello
Gene Tunney
Azumah Nelson
Miguel Canto

Should i go on ?

No1 on that list, from what I've seen is or was as complete as Joe. Bet that. Stop buying the hype.

Damn some of those names are comparable but some have me scratching my head.

[ICB]

I keep hearing all this negative stuff about Calzhage and I'm just stunned. The guy is the most complete package of our era.

Tell me where you guys guys have found a better package of Speed, Heart, Ring Smarts, Adjustments, Chin, Conditioning, Skill, Dedication and his fights are clean. No need to cheat when you're this good i guess. (Hopkins)

The easiest question ever on this forum.

Muhamamd Ali
Salvador Sanchez
Ricardo Lopez
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sugar Ray Robinson
Mike McCallum
Larry Holmes
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Pernell Whitaker
Ezzard Charles
Marvin Hagler
Roy Jones Jr
Alexis Arguello
Gene Tunney
Azumah Nelson
Miguel Canto

Should i go on ?

No1 on that list, from what I've seen is or was as complete as Joe. Bet that. Stop buying the hype.

Damn some of those names are comparable but some have me scratching my head.

Are you kidding me ? jesus you are a Joe Calzaghe fan boy.

Ricardo Lopez is the finest technical boxer of all time.

Alexis Arguello threw every punch so perfect.

Miguel Canto the mexican version of Willie Pep.

Floyd Mayweather Jr possibly the best all round fighter ever.

ETC.

Seriously your making me scratch my head if you don't think most of those boxers. Are as good as an all round fighter as Joe Calzaghe, your boxing knowledge is limited if you seriously think that. Or your seriously riding Joe Calzaghe nuts, theres no other way to explain such an absurd comment.

[Bx730NY]

The easiest question ever on this forum.

Muhamamd Ali
Salvador Sanchez
Ricardo Lopez
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sugar Ray Robinson
Mike McCallum
Larry Holmes
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Pernell Whitaker
Ezzard Charles
Marvin Hagler
Roy Jones Jr
Alexis Arguello
Gene Tunney
Azumah Nelson
Miguel Canto

Should i go on ?

No1 on that list, from what I've seen is or was as complete as Joe. Bet that. Stop buying the hype.

Damn some of those names are comparable but some have me scratching my head.

Are you kidding me ? jesus you are a Joe Calzaghe fan boy.

Ricardo Lopez is the finest technical boxer of all time.

Alexis Arguello threw every punch so perfect.

Miguel Canto the mexican version of Willie Pep.

Floyd Mayweather Jr possibly the best all round fighter ever.

ETC.

Seriously your making me scratch my head if you don't think most of those boxers. Are as good as an all round fighter as Joe Calzaghe, your boxing knowledge is limited if you seriously think that. Or your seriously riding Joe Calzaghe nuts, theres no other way to explain such an absurd comment.

See, this is what it comes to every time. When you run out of things to say and resort to name calling like a slut. We're talking boxing. You defend floyd to the end and I respect that. I have the opinion that Joe is better so respect that.

I'm no lil punk kid so stop the crap. We go too far back for this. Joe has the type of courage that floyd could only dream of. Even when he went down against hopkins and Jones, he was the agressor. That's what separates them IMO. floyd doesn't want to be tested.

[Mr140]

Well the only thing that bothers me about Floyde is that he retired when all the competion was there for him i mean Joe never had the chances Floyde has had talent wise in the divsion but Floyde called it a day and he is in prime in a heavy talented divsion and as for Joe no longer prime and he has alot less talent to prove anything now so i guess you can look at that as well when you are rating them and there choices they make also ice moving up in weight in lower divsion is not the same when you do it in higher divsion i mean floyde move up 24 pounds joe would be moving up like 32 just to make the limit then be fighting guys over 60 pounds over the weight he started.

[ICB]

No1 on that list, from what I've seen is or was as complete as Joe. Bet that. Stop buying the hype.

Damn some of those names are comparable but some have me scratching my head.

Are you kidding me ? jesus you are a Joe Calzaghe fan boy.

Ricardo Lopez is the finest technical boxer of all time.

Alexis Arguello threw every punch so perfect.

Miguel Canto the mexican version of Willie Pep.

Floyd Mayweather Jr possibly the best all round fighter ever.

ETC.

Seriously your making me scratch my head if you don't think most of those boxers. Are as good as an all round fighter as Joe Calzaghe, your boxing knowledge is limited if you seriously think that. Or your seriously riding Joe Calzaghe nuts, theres no other way to explain such an absurd comment.

See, this is what it comes to every time. When you run out of things to say and resort to name calling like a slut. We're talking boxing. You defend floyd to the end and I respect that. I have the opinion that Joe is better so respect that.

I'm no lil punk kid so stop the crap. We go too far back for this. Joe has the type of courage that floyd could only dream of. Even when he went down against hopkins and Jones, he was the agressor. That's what separates them IMO. floyd doesn't want to be tested.

Name calling ? yea im name calling because your talking out your ass. I resort to name calling when i have nothing to say ? you pretty much lost the debate when you said Joe Calzaghe is more skilled than Ricardo Lopez, honestly im sick of some of these Joe Calzaghe fans i really am.

I think Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter and i respect him, but some Joe Calzaghe fans just piss me off. Joe Calzaghe fought a shot Roy Jones Jr lets just get that straight, his last good performance at Light Heavyweight was in 2002.

I give him credit for the Bernard Hopkins win because Bernard Hopkins, clearly has alot left at age 43. But if your going to tell me moving up to Jr Middleweight to fight ODLH isn't taking a risk, then im speechless i really am.

Floyd Mayweather pisses all over Joe Calzaghe, his defense is leagues ahead of Joe Calzaghe. He's faster P4P he has more power P4P, he is a better all round fighter and his stamina is up there with Joe Calzaghe. And P4P he's beaten better fighters than Joe Calzaghe.

I've got no problem with Joe Calzaghe or his fans, but some fans go over the top and its pissing me off lately. Maybe i am going over the top but im just sick of seeing it personally.