Would Juan Manuel Marquez's Brother Have Done Better Against Manny Pacquiao P4P ?

[Taeth]

Pound for pound Rafael hits harder than Juan. If Pacquiao were to trade with him, Pacquiao would get knocked out. Pacquiao has always been a sucker for the right hand. Rafael's right is the best in Boxing.

What the hell have you been smoking? Rafael's right is not the best in boxing, its not as good as Juan Manuel's. Floyd Mayweather, Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, Pavlik, David Haye, Wladimir when he uses it all have better crosses. Rafael is a great left handed fighter, but his right isn't all that, and if he traded with Pacquiao, its him not Pacquiao who has durability issues, and its Pacquiao who hits harder than Rafael at 122 p4p.

What durability issues? He's been stopped once in recent years. And that was clearly a pre-mature stoppage against a p4p fighter. The losses early in his career can't be used against him cuz he's not the same fighter. Just like Pacquiao's early stoppage losses can't be used against him. Rafael can be hurt. I'm not saying he has the greatest chin. But to say he's not durable is typical stupidity coming from you. To say Rafael's right hand ain't all that shows how big of an idiot you really are. Pacquiao has looked greatly lately. But that's cuz he's been facing fighters incapable of hitting him. But if you hit him you can hurt him. Rafael would hit him. And he would hurt him.

Watch Pacquiao-Marquez 1 or Pacquiao-Morales 1, he moved to face Morales and he took a ton of punches, but still kept on coming.

Also Marquez was 23 when Mataeos ko'ed him. And he was 25 when Genaro Garcia ko'ed him. Pacquiao was 18 and 20 when he was ko'ed and at 20 he was badly weight drained.

Also I didn't say Rafael didn't have a good right cross, just that it isn't the best in the sport, and you saying that shows that you are 10x stupider than I am. Manny hasn't looked just great lately, he's looked good for years. Rafael Marquez is also an excellent fighter, but he is a poor second to his brother, besides p4p power, he's not as good of a pure boxer, not as fast, not as good at counter punching, doesn't have the same quality of chin. He's a slightly lesser fighter than his brother Juan Manuel Marquez, thats nothing to be ashamed of. However, his chin, his average defensive skills wouldn't be enough to hold Pacquiao at bay, I think it would be a great fight but around rounds 9-11 Pacquiao would stop him.

[Violent Demise]

What the hell have you been smoking? Rafael's right is not the best in boxing, its not as good as Juan Manuel's. Floyd Mayweather, Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, Pavlik, David Haye, Wladimir when he uses it all have better crosses. Rafael is a great left handed fighter, but his right isn't all that, and if he traded with Pacquiao, its him not Pacquiao who has durability issues, and its Pacquiao who hits harder than Rafael at 122 p4p.

What durability issues? He's been stopped once in recent years. And that was clearly a pre-mature stoppage against a p4p fighter. The losses early in his career can't be used against him cuz he's not the same fighter. Just like Pacquiao's early stoppage losses can't be used against him. Rafael can be hurt. I'm not saying he has the greatest chin. But to say he's not durable is typical stupidity coming from you. To say Rafael's right hand ain't all that shows how big of an idiot you really are. Pacquiao has looked greatly lately. But that's cuz he's been facing fighters incapable of hitting him. But if you hit him you can hurt him. Rafael would hit him. And he would hurt him.

Watch Pacquiao-Marquez 1 or Pacquiao-Morales 1, he moved to face Morales and he took a ton of punches, but still kept on coming.

Also Marquez was 23 when Mataeos ko'ed him. And he was 25 when Genaro Garcia ko'ed him. Pacquiao was 18 and 20 when he was ko'ed and at 20 he was badly weight drained.

Also I didn't say Rafael didn't have a good right cross, just that it isn't the best in the sport, and you saying that shows that you are 10x stupider than I am. Manny hasn't looked just great lately, he's looked good for years. Rafael Marquez is also an excellent fighter, but he is a poor second to his brother, besides p4p power, he's not as good of a pure boxer, not as fast, not as good at counter punching, doesn't have the same quality of chin. He's a slightly lesser fighter than his brother Juan Manuel Marquez, thats nothing to be ashamed of. However, his chin, his average defensive skills wouldn't be enough to hold Pacquiao at bay, I think it would be a great fight but around rounds 9-11 Pacquiao would stop him.

It's obvious you never saw his loss to Garcia. If you did you wouldn't of bother listing it. I know you swear by it, but trust me Boxing Rec ain't always your friend. Rafael doesn't have to be like Juan Manuel. Cuz there different type of fighters. Rafael has the power to hurt Pacquiao. Who did not just walk through every thing Morales and Marquez threw. I don't know what fights you were watching. If you watched them at all. He was clearly hurt by both fighters several times.

Rafael is not as well known as a Hopkins, Jones or Mayweather. So I'm really not surprised you listed the most popular fighters today as having better right hands than him. As foolish as that is. You don't have enough knowledge on Rafael to understand. Not that it matters. Your answer would be the same no matter the question. Who has the best chin? You would say Jones, Mayweather and Hopkins. The best power? Jones, Mayweather and Hopkins. And so on.

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What durability issues? He's been stopped once in recent years. And that was clearly a pre-mature stoppage against a p4p fighter. The losses early in his career can't be used against him cuz he's not the same fighter. Just like Pacquiao's early stoppage losses can't be used against him. Rafael can be hurt. I'm not saying he has the greatest chin. But to say he's not durable is typical stupidity coming from you. To say Rafael's right hand ain't all that shows how big of an idiot you really are. Pacquiao has looked greatly lately. But that's cuz he's been facing fighters incapable of hitting him. But if you hit him you can hurt him. Rafael would hit him. And he would hurt him.

Watch Pacquiao-Marquez 1 or Pacquiao-Morales 1, he moved to face Morales and he took a ton of punches, but still kept on coming.

Also Marquez was 23 when Mataeos ko'ed him. And he was 25 when Genaro Garcia ko'ed him. Pacquiao was 18 and 20 when he was ko'ed and at 20 he was badly weight drained.

Also I didn't say Rafael didn't have a good right cross, just that it isn't the best in the sport, and you saying that shows that you are 10x stupider than I am. Manny hasn't looked just great lately, he's looked good for years. Rafael Marquez is also an excellent fighter, but he is a poor second to his brother, besides p4p power, he's not as good of a pure boxer, not as fast, not as good at counter punching, doesn't have the same quality of chin. He's a slightly lesser fighter than his brother Juan Manuel Marquez, thats nothing to be ashamed of. However, his chin, his average defensive skills wouldn't be enough to hold Pacquiao at bay, I think it would be a great fight but around rounds 9-11 Pacquiao would stop him.

It's obvious you never saw his loss to Garcia. If you did you wouldn't of bother listing it. I know you swear by it, but trust me Boxing Rec ain't always your friend. Rafael doesn't have to be like Juan Manuel. Cuz there different type of fighters. Rafael has the power to hurt Pacquiao. Who did not just walk through every thing Morales and Marquez threw. I don't know what fights you were watching. If you watched them at all. He was clearly hurt by both fighters several times.

Rafael is not as well known as a Hopkins, Jones or Mayweather. So I'm really not surprised you listed the most popular fighters today as having better right hands than him. As foolish as that is. You don't have enough knowledge on Rafael to understand. Not that it matters. Your answer would be the same no matter the question. Who has the best chin? You would say Jones, Mayweather and Hopkins. The best power? Jones, Mayweather and Hopkins. And so on.

Roy Jones Jr, Mayweather, and Hopkins are known for their crosses being the best in the sport. Who lands their cross more accurate than these three, besides maybe Manny? Like I said they are known for their crosses, Marquez isn't, not because he is an unknown comodity, but because his right cross isn't even his best punch, yet you are ignorant enough to think its the best right hand in the sport.

Your ignorance is also shown because Pacquiao clearly was getting the better of Israel Vazquez when they sparred for his first bout against Barrera.

Also about the Genaro Garcia fight, it was stopped prematurely, but was he not hurt? Manny often looks a lot more hurt than he is because he doesn't have the best balance due to his old style, but Morales and Marquez weren't able to stop him with a ton of perfectly landed punches and combinations, and I didn't say they didn't have an effect on him, but I did say he kept coming, which Manny did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYD3DQ_OwTQ
Manny is too much for him, bigger, faster, stronger.

[Violent Demise]

Watch Pacquiao-Marquez 1 or Pacquiao-Morales 1, he moved to face Morales and he took a ton of punches, but still kept on coming.

Also Marquez was 23 when Mataeos ko'ed him. And he was 25 when Genaro Garcia ko'ed him. Pacquiao was 18 and 20 when he was ko'ed and at 20 he was badly weight drained.

Also I didn't say Rafael didn't have a good right cross, just that it isn't the best in the sport, and you saying that shows that you are 10x stupider than I am. Manny hasn't looked just great lately, he's looked good for years. Rafael Marquez is also an excellent fighter, but he is a poor second to his brother, besides p4p power, he's not as good of a pure boxer, not as fast, not as good at counter punching, doesn't have the same quality of chin. He's a slightly lesser fighter than his brother Juan Manuel Marquez, thats nothing to be ashamed of. However, his chin, his average defensive skills wouldn't be enough to hold Pacquiao at bay, I think it would be a great fight but around rounds 9-11 Pacquiao would stop him.

It's obvious you never saw his loss to Garcia. If you did you wouldn't of bother listing it. I know you swear by it, but trust me Boxing Rec ain't always your friend. Rafael doesn't have to be like Juan Manuel. Cuz there different type of fighters. Rafael has the power to hurt Pacquiao. Who did not just walk through every thing Morales and Marquez threw. I don't know what fights you were watching. If you watched them at all. He was clearly hurt by both fighters several times.

Rafael is not as well known as a Hopkins, Jones or Mayweather. So I'm really not surprised you listed the most popular fighters today as having better right hands than him. As foolish as that is. You don't have enough knowledge on Rafael to understand. Not that it matters. Your answer would be the same no matter the question. Who has the best chin? You would say Jones, Mayweather and Hopkins. The best power? Jones, Mayweather and Hopkins. And so on.

Wow you are stupid, Roy Jones Jr, Mayweather, and Hopkins are known for their crosses being the best in the sport. Who lands their cross more accurate than these three, besides maybe Manny? Like I said they are known for their crosses, Marquez isn't, not because he is an unknown comodity, but because his right cross isn't even his best punch, yet you are ignorant enough to think its the best right hand in the sport.

Your ignorance is also shown because Pacquiao clearly was getting the better of Israel Vazquez when they sparred for his first bout against Barrera.

Also about the Genaro Garcia fight, it was stopped prematurely, but was he not hurt? Manny often looks a lot more hurt than he is because he doesn't have the best balance due to his old style, but Morales and Marquez weren't able to stop him with a ton of perfectly landed punches and combinations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYD3DQ_OwTQ
Manny is too much for him, bigger, faster, stronger.

Your stupidity really has no limit. Hopkins is known for having the best right cross? Since fukking when? Roy Jones? LOL. His right ain't even in the top 10 today. I'm surprised your ass didn't mention Holyfield or De La Hoya. There popular names.

And what the fukk does Vazquez have to do with anything? We discussing Rafael Marquez. Not Vazquez. On top of that it was sparring. It means nothing. Spadafora got the better of Mayweather in sparring. Does that mean he beats him in a pro fight? No it does not. Valero got the better of Morales in sparring. Morales toys with him in an actual fight. Only an idiot like yourself would use sparring as an example. I laugh at your desperateness and stupidity.

Poor balance is just an excuse. I bet you bought the socks excuse as well, huh? You hit Pac in the chin and like any other fighter he will get hurt. Balance ain't got shiit to do with it. Was it poor balance when Larios stunned him? When Marquez? No.

[Taeth]

Poor balance is just an excuse? Then why wasn't Manny knocked down? Why weren't they able to stop him? The point is every fighter gets hurt, but not every fight goes down or is stopped when they get hurt. Manny hasn't been stopped from a punch to the head or from taking to many shots. But of his stoppages which came when he was a teenager were body shots. But back to the balance, anyone that has ever boxed before knows that balance matters when you take a punch, if you don't have a strong foundation, when somebody hits you cleanly, you will be off balance.

As for Hopkins not having a great right hand or Roy Jones? What were they landing on Calzaghe? Did you see JOnes against Trinidad? He landed his right hand at will. Hopkins landed his right hand against Winky Wright, Tarver, and Calzaghe to great effect.

If you think you know guys with better crosses than Mayweather, Pacquiao, Hopkins, and Roy JOnes Jr then list them, I know the list won't accurate already, but you go on and list the people who throws better crosses.

Also sparring doesn't mean anything in terms of power, but it does matter in terms of speed, and power is the one thing Manny doesn't have to worry about, he hits harder than either Marquez or Vazqeuz. Also your comparable examples are terrible, Mayweather wasn't training when he sparred Spadafora, Morales wasn't getting owned by Valero, and we don't know how good Valero is, supposedly he was owning Oscar in sparring as well. He may be a lot better than his competition allows him to show.

[Violent Demise]

Poor balance is just an excuse? Then why wasn't Manny knocked down? Why weren't they able to stop him? The point is every fighter gets hurt, but not every fight goes down or is stopped when they get hurt. Manny hasn't been stopped from a punch to the head or from taking to many shots. But of his stoppages which came when he was a teenager were body shots. But back to the balance, anyone that has ever boxed before knows that balance matters when you take a punch, if you don't have a strong foundation, when somebody hits you cleanly, you will be off balance.

As for Hopkins not having a great right hand or Roy Jones? What were they landing on Calzaghe? Did you see JOnes against Trinidad? He landed his right hand at will. Hopkins landed his right hand against Winky Wright, Tarver, and Calzaghe to great effect.

If you think you know guys with better crosses than Mayweather, Pacquiao, Hopkins, and Roy JOnes Jr then list them, I know the list won't accurate already, but you go on and list the people who throws better crosses.

Also sparring doesn't mean anything in terms of power, but it does matter in terms of speed, and power is the one thing Manny doesn't have to worry about, he hits harder than either Marquez or Vazqeuz. Also your comparable examples are terrible, Mayweather wasn't training when he sparred Spadafora, Morales wasn't getting owned by Valero, and we don't know how good Valero is, supposedly he was owning Oscar in sparring as well. He may be a lot better than his competition allows him to show.

Wow. Those are your examples? Are you fukking kidding me? "Jones landed his right at will against Trinidad" Who the fukk cares? Who wouldn't? I'm surprised you didn't use the Omar Sheika fight as an example. Jones was able to take the few punches Trinidad landed against him. OMG Jones chin is granite. Fukking idiot. Your living in the past. Hopkins right isn't used enough any more to be considered the best. Pacquiao best punch has always been and will always be his left hand. To say his right is one of the best in Boxing shows how clueless you really are.

[Taeth]

I am the idiot? First of all I have refrained from name calling because it would be too easy with you. Second I was talking about the cross, not right hand when I mentioned Pacquiao, obviously he doesn't ahve one of the best right hands in the sport.

Why is Hopkins right hand not used enough? He landed it very, very effectively on Trinidad, De La Hoya, Jermain Taylor, Calzaghe, Tarver, Pavlik. They are all really good fighter, and it landed effectively on them. Marquez has foughten one guy in these guys league, so how can you compare anything he has done with what Hopkins does? I am not saying he isn't signficantly better than his competition, but his competition makes Rafael look at a lot better than really skilled opponents would. Roy also landed his cross a hell of a lot against Calzaghe more, often than Kessler or Hopkins, he has lost power on it, but its still accurate, perfectly timed, and amazingly fast. Hopkins and Roy Jones will be able to land their cross on anyone, even at this stage of their career, Marquez wouldn't.

Also you have failed to name guys with better right hands, you still have provided evidence of your outlandish claim that Rafael Marquez has the best right hand in the business. Which leads me back to the actual topic of arguement, and the fact of the matter is that Manny would knock Marquez out.

[Violent Demise]

I am the idiot? First of all I have refrained from name calling because it would be too easy with you. Second I was talking about the cross, not right hand when I mentioned Pacquiao, obviously he doesn't ahve one of the best right hands in the sport.

Why is Hopkins right hand not used enough? He landed it very, very effectively on Trinidad, De La Hoya, Jermain Taylor, Calzaghe, Tarver, Pavlik. They are all really good fighter, and it landed effectively on them. Marquez has foughten one guy in these guys league, so how can you compare anything he has done with what Hopkins does? I am not saying he isn't signficantly better than his competition, but his competition makes Rafael look at a lot better than really skilled opponents would. Roy also landed his cross a hell of a lot against Calzaghe more, often than Kessler or Hopkins, he has lost power on it, but its still accurate, perfectly timed, and amazingly fast. Hopkins and Roy Jones will be able to land their cross on anyone, even at this stage of their career, Marquez wouldn't.

Also you have failed to name guys with better right hands, you still have provided evidence of your outlandish claim that Rafael Marquez has the best right hand in the business. Which leads me back to the actual topic of arguement, and the fact of the matter is that Manny would knock Marquez out.

I said right hand from the beginning. That was pretty clear. Why you decided to mention Pacquiao's right and than back track, i have no idea. Like I said a couple of posts back your not really familar with Rafael Marquez career. So really your not fit to discuss him. Vazquez is not the only p4p fighter Marquez has beaten. Mark Johnson was a p4p fighter who hadn't been beaten in 11 years. Marquez out pointed him and than knocked him out. He also knocked out the unbeaten and underrated Tim Austin. Who was boarderline p4p. But you don't recongnize the names. So to you they don't count.

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I am the idiot? First of all I have refrained from name calling because it would be too easy with you. Second I was talking about the cross, not right hand when I mentioned Pacquiao, obviously he doesn't ahve one of the best right hands in the sport.

Why is Hopkins right hand not used enough? He landed it very, very effectively on Trinidad, De La Hoya, Jermain Taylor, Calzaghe, Tarver, Pavlik. They are all really good fighter, and it landed effectively on them. Marquez has foughten one guy in these guys league, so how can you compare anything he has done with what Hopkins does? I am not saying he isn't signficantly better than his competition, but his competition makes Rafael look at a lot better than really skilled opponents would. Roy also landed his cross a hell of a lot against Calzaghe more, often than Kessler or Hopkins, he has lost power on it, but its still accurate, perfectly timed, and amazingly fast. Hopkins and Roy Jones will be able to land their cross on anyone, even at this stage of their career, Marquez wouldn't.

Also you have failed to name guys with better right hands, you still have provided evidence of your outlandish claim that Rafael Marquez has the best right hand in the business. Which leads me back to the actual topic of arguement, and the fact of the matter is that Manny would knock Marquez out.

I said right hand from the beginning. That was pretty clear. Why you decided to mention Pacquiao's right and than back track, i have no idea. Like I said a couple of posts back your not really familar with Rafael Marquez career. So really your not fit to discuss him. Vazquez is not the only p4p fighter Marquez has beaten. Mark Johnson was a p4p fighter who hadn't been beaten in 11 years. Marquez out pointed him and than knocked him out. He also knocked out the unbeaten and underrated Tim Austin. Who was boarderline p4p. But you don't recongnize the names. So to you they don't count.

I just watched those fights you mentioned, was very impressed with Rafael Marquez in the 2nd Mark Johnson fight. And the Tim Austin fight, loved that long right hand that put Tim Austin through the ropes.

Mark Johnson at one point was rated P4P number 6, and Tim Austin was making his 10th title defense against Rafael Marquez.

No idea what happened to Tim Austin he seemed to fall off the radar after getting beat.

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I am the idiot? First of all I have refrained from name calling because it would be too easy with you. Second I was talking about the cross, not right hand when I mentioned Pacquiao, obviously he doesn't ahve one of the best right hands in the sport.

Why is Hopkins right hand not used enough? He landed it very, very effectively on Trinidad, De La Hoya, Jermain Taylor, Calzaghe, Tarver, Pavlik. They are all really good fighter, and it landed effectively on them. Marquez has foughten one guy in these guys league, so how can you compare anything he has done with what Hopkins does? I am not saying he isn't signficantly better than his competition, but his competition makes Rafael look at a lot better than really skilled opponents would. Roy also landed his cross a hell of a lot against Calzaghe more, often than Kessler or Hopkins, he has lost power on it, but its still accurate, perfectly timed, and amazingly fast. Hopkins and Roy Jones will be able to land their cross on anyone, even at this stage of their career, Marquez wouldn't.

Also you have failed to name guys with better right hands, you still have provided evidence of your outlandish claim that Rafael Marquez has the best right hand in the business. Which leads me back to the actual topic of arguement, and the fact of the matter is that Manny would knock Marquez out.

I said right hand from the beginning. That was pretty clear. Why you decided to mention Pacquiao's right and than back track, i have no idea. Like I said a couple of posts back your not really familar with Rafael Marquez career. So really your not fit to discuss him. Vazquez is not the only p4p fighter Marquez has beaten. Mark Johnson was a p4p fighter who hadn't been beaten in 11 years. Marquez out pointed him and than knocked him out. He also knocked out the unbeaten and underrated Tim Austin. Who was boarderline p4p. But you don't recongnize the names. So to you they don't count.

I just watched those fights you mentioned, was very impressed with Rafael Marquez in the 2nd Mark Johnson fight. And the Tim Austin fight, loved that long right hand that put Tim Austin through the ropes.

Mark Johnson at one point was rated P4P number 6, and Tim Austin was making his 10th title defense against Rafael Marquez.

No idea what happened to Tim Austin he seemed to fall off the radar after getting beat.

Tim got accused of raping a 16 year old girl not long after losing to Marquez; later acquitted.

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I said right hand from the beginning. That was pretty clear. Why you decided to mention Pacquiao's right and than back track, i have no idea. Like I said a couple of posts back your not really familar with Rafael Marquez career. So really your not fit to discuss him. Vazquez is not the only p4p fighter Marquez has beaten. Mark Johnson was a p4p fighter who hadn't been beaten in 11 years. Marquez out pointed him and than knocked him out. He also knocked out the unbeaten and underrated Tim Austin. Who was boarderline p4p. But you don't recongnize the names. So to you they don't count.

I just watched those fights you mentioned, was very impressed with Rafael Marquez in the 2nd Mark Johnson fight. And the Tim Austin fight, loved that long right hand that put Tim Austin through the ropes.

Mark Johnson at one point was rated P4P number 6, and Tim Austin was making his 10th title defense against Rafael Marquez.

No idea what happened to Tim Austin he seemed to fall off the radar after getting beat.

Tim got accused of raping a 16 year old girl not long after losing to Marquez; later acquitted.

Damn didn't know that thanks for the info.

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I said right hand from the beginning. That was pretty clear. Why you decided to mention Pacquiao's right and than back track, i have no idea. Like I said a couple of posts back your not really familar with Rafael Marquez career. So really your not fit to discuss him. Vazquez is not the only p4p fighter Marquez has beaten. Mark Johnson was a p4p fighter who hadn't been beaten in 11 years. Marquez out pointed him and than knocked him out. He also knocked out the unbeaten and underrated Tim Austin. Who was boarderline p4p. But you don't recongnize the names. So to you they don't count.

I just watched those fights you mentioned, was very impressed with Rafael Marquez in the 2nd Mark Johnson fight. And the Tim Austin fight, loved that long right hand that put Tim Austin through the ropes.

Mark Johnson at one point was rated P4P number 6, and Tim Austin was making his 10th title defense against Rafael Marquez.

No idea what happened to Tim Austin he seemed to fall off the radar after getting beat.

Tim got accused of raping a 16 year old girl not long after losing to Marquez; later acquitted.

She wanted it

[LEGION]

I just watched those fights you mentioned, was very impressed with Rafael Marquez in the 2nd Mark Johnson fight. And the Tim Austin fight, loved that long right hand that put Tim Austin through the ropes.

Mark Johnson at one point was rated P4P number 6, and Tim Austin was making his 10th title defense against Rafael Marquez.

No idea what happened to Tim Austin he seemed to fall off the radar after getting beat.

Tim got accused of raping a 16 year old girl not long after losing to Marquez; later acquitted.

Damn didn't know that thanks for the info.

Thank WIKI not me

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Tim got accused of raping a 16 year old girl not long after losing to Marquez; later acquitted.

Damn didn't know that thanks for the info.

Thank WIKI not me

Also just read up and he was arrested for threatning to kill his wife, and beating her up what a nice guy

[Taeth]

Sorry, when was Mark Johnson a legitimate number 6p4p? When was he even in it with Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, Mosley, ODLH, Trinidad, Quartey, Vargas, Mayweather, Barrera, Morales, Lewis were all at very strong points in their career, there was also Winky Wright, JLC, Casamayor, JMM, Vernon Forest, Zab Judah, Corales, Kostya Tszyu, Ike Quartey, Ricardo Lopez... I don't how either of them legitimately made on that list because they didn't belong there.