Pacquiao and Marqez have no business fighting above 140 pounds against elite opp.

[leftylee]

just contradicted yourself something fierce there bud, and fuck this catchweight crap, Pacquiao and Marquez are big boys already, they should know damn well what they can and can't handle, Marquez deep down knew he couldn't beat Mayweather but since it brought the most money well he chose it, and before everyone starts, i thought Marquez showed guts in fighting him, but hell who wouldn't fight Mayweather for around $15 mil, Marquez has plenty of big fights at 135, Valero, Katsidis, Guzman, Reyes, Demarco, Funeka, or the guys that can move up from 130, Guerrero, Soto, Martinez, Linares, as for Pacquiao, i don't wanna hear the same bull that Mayweather is getting if Cotto beats him up bad, IMO neither belongs at 147

I looked at the Pacquiao situation from 2 sides. Hence the word "However". I know what I'm talking about when it comes to English Language.

just by sticking in however doesn't change the fact that you said that Pacquiao is proven at 147, although it was against a shot weight drained fighter

the fact that Pacquiao beat a shot, weight drained fighter, goes on to further show that he isn't proven at 147, i'm pretty sure that Marquez would have beat Felix Trinidad on Saturday if he would have boiled down to 147

Didn't admit to not saying it. I was looking at Pacquiao from opposite sides. One sentence was a positive, the next was a negative. Simple.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

Marquez was ten pounds heavier than he should be for a fight and it showed. He was too small to get anywhere near Floyd.

Pacquiao would have met the same fate. Pacquiao shouldn't face Floyd even for the money. He beat DLH at 147 because DLH was weight-drained. A prime Mosley, Cotto, or PBF would beat Pac. Out of those, he has the best chance of beating Cotto, but Cotto should be too big for Pac too.

I understand there is more money in the higher weight classes, but fighters reach a ceiling at some point. For Pacquiao and Marquez the ceiling is 140.

Your a complete idiot! Regardless of whether DLH was weight drained or not, Pacquiao's punches rocked Oscar's entire body. Pac was just as fast as ever and his power enhanced greatly! This post is total ignorance!

[ElTerribleMorales]

Marquez was ten pounds heavier than he should be for a fight and it showed. He was too small to get anywhere near Floyd.

Pacquiao would have met the same fate. Pacquiao shouldn't face Floyd even for the money. He beat DLH at 147 because DLH was weight-drained. A prime Mosley, Cotto, or PBF would beat Pac. Out of those, he has the best chance of beating Cotto, but Cotto should be too big for Pac too.

I understand there is more money in the higher weight classes, but fighters reach a ceiling at some point. For Pacquiao and Marquez the ceiling is 140.

Your a complete idiot! Regardless of whether DLH was weight drained or not, Pacquiao's punches rocked Oscar's entire body. Pac was just as fast as ever and his power enhanced greatly! This post is total ignorance!

i'd say your post is ignorance, especially if you think that Manny Pacquiao beat a healthy prime DLH

[Truth]

Pac & Marquez are too COMPLETELY DIFFERENT entities
One is a 36 yr old who is ending his career by looking small @ 135
The other is a 29 yr old who has physically matured and had his diet improve and has grown into a legit 140 lb fighter
The point is 147 lbs is 2 1/2 weightclasses past Juan's best and 1 past Manny's

[ElTerribleMorales]

Pac & Marquez are too COMPLETELY DIFFERENT entities
One is a 36 yr old who is ending his career by looking small @ 135
The other is a 29 yr old who has physically matured and had his diet improve and has grown into a legit 140 lb fighter
The point is 147 lbs is 2 1/2 weightclasses past Juan's best and 1 past Manny's

Pacquiao will be 31 by the end of the year, and has taken a lot more shots to the head than Marquez, and IMO will get sparked at 147 against Cotto

[brucelee]

I agree with the first post in this thread.

Going into 140 plus weight category is brave but really crazy for Pac and Marquez.

Honestly, I could hardly see Pac winning against Cotto. Considering that Pac is sort of underestimating this fight ( by having his training in the Philippines where there will be many distractions), I am more afraid for Pac now.

The PBF- MArquez fight is like a prelude to what will happen with Pac vs Cotto. Cotto will be too big for Pac just like PBF was too big for Marquez.

IMO, PBF is very skillful against Marquez but one thing that assured his victory was the inability of Marquez to truly hurt him.

[generalbulldog]

I agree with the first post in this thread.

Going into 140 plus weight category is brave but really crazy for Pac and Marquez.

Honestly, I could hardly see Pac winning against Cotto. Considering that Pac is sort of underestimating this fight ( by having his training in the Philippines where there will be many of distractions), I am more afraid for Pac now.

The PBF- MArquez fight is like a prelude to what will happen with Pac vs Cotto. Cotto will be too big for Pac just like PBF was too big for Marquez.

IMO, PBF is very skillful against Marquez but one thing that assured his victory was the inability of Marquez to truly hurt him.

So are you saying your boy is going to lose? BTW, you are right, Pac is underestimating Cotto and having his training in the Phillipines with the distractions. That's what happens when you have free loaders and hanger ons giving you bad advice. Cotto isn't shot and I don't think he will be weight drained like Oscar, and he isn't an 1 trick pony like Hatton.

Cotto by brutal ko.

[Conrad]

Your a complete idiot! Regardless of whether DLH was weight drained or not, Pacquiao's punches rocked Oscar's entire body. Pac was just as fast as ever and his power enhanced greatly! This post is total ignorance!

Oh the irony!

ODLH said Pac's punches didn't hurt him, he just hadn't got the energy to fight back.

[ER-101]

Your a complete idiot! Regardless of whether DLH was weight drained or not, Pacquiao's punches rocked Oscar's entire body. Pac was just as fast as ever and his power enhanced greatly! This post is total ignorance!

Oh the irony!

ODLH said Pac's punches didn't hurt him, he just hadn't got the energy to fight back.

That's why he quit! Of course he was getting hurt.

Pacquiao's punches start from his legs and he has his weight behind them. This is why he brings his power with him to the higher weight classes. Marquez punches more with his arms so his punches are less effective at the higher weight.

Oscar has a strong chin. But when you hear the post fight interview with Roach he says Pacquiao was carrying Oscar in last few rounds.

[brucelee]

I agree with the first post in this thread.

Going into 140 plus weight category is brave but really crazy for Pac and Marquez.

Honestly, I could hardly see Pac winning against Cotto. Considering that Pac is sort of underestimating this fight ( by having his training in the Philippines where there will be many of distractions), I am more afraid for Pac now.

The PBF- MArquez fight is like a prelude to what will happen with Pac vs Cotto. Cotto will be too big for Pac just like PBF was too big for Marquez.

IMO, PBF is very skillful against Marquez but one thing that assured his victory was the inability of Marquez to truly hurt him.

So are you saying your boy is going to lose? BTW, you are right, Pac is underestimating Cotto and having his training in the Phillipines with the distractions. That's what happens when you have free loaders and hanger ons giving you bad advice. Cotto isn't shot and I don't think he will be weight drained like Oscar, and he isn't an 1 trick pony like Hatton.

Cotto by brutal ko.

Yeah, it's probable Pac would lose this fight. I have this feeling that he will not be prepared for the fight. With him in the Philippines, he will be going to parties, talkshow, advertisements,etc.

People would be coming over to his place and there will be no discipline there unless Roach would use an iron hand. It's rainy season in the Philippines now and Pac really won't be jogging in the rain with all the people watching him. His footwork and speed will suffer greatly in this fight. I have seen an ill-prepared Pacquaio crumble due to fatigue and I'm truly afraid for him.

IMO, Pacquaio is destined to fail in this fight unless the boxing mafia wants a Mayweather-Pac fight which would be very, very big in terms of money.

[generalbulldog]

I agree with the first post in this thread.

Going into 140 plus weight category is brave but really crazy for Pac and Marquez.

Honestly, I could hardly see Pac winning against Cotto. Considering that Pac is sort of underestimating this fight ( by having his training in the Philippines where there will be many of distractions), I am more afraid for Pac now.

The PBF- MArquez fight is like a prelude to what will happen with Pac vs Cotto. Cotto will be too big for Pac just like PBF was too big for Marquez.

IMO, PBF is very skillful against Marquez but one thing that assured his victory was the inability of Marquez to truly hurt him.

So are you saying your boy is going to lose? BTW, you are right, Pac is underestimating Cotto and having his training in the Phillipines with the distractions. That's what happens when you have free loaders and hanger ons giving you bad advice. Cotto isn't shot and I don't think he will be weight drained like Oscar, and he isn't an 1 trick pony like Hatton.

Cotto by brutal ko.

Yeah, it's probable Pac would lose this fight. I have this feeling that he will not be prepared for the fight. With him in the Philippines, he will be going to parties, talkshow, advertisements,etc.

People would be coming over to his place and there will be no discipline there unless Roach would use an iron hand. It's rainy season in the Philippines now and Pac really won't be jogging in the rain with all the people watching him. His footwork and speed will suffer greatly in this fight. I have seen an ill-prepared Pacquaio crumble due to fatigue and I'm truly afraid for him.

IMO, Pacquaio is destined to fail in this fight unless the boxing mafia wants a Mayweather-Pac fight which would be very, very big in terms of money.

I also heard Roach complaining of not getting into contact with Pac and that his hanger ons wouldn't let him get in touch with his pupil. That's the reason why I pick Cotto over Pacman, Cotto just seems hungrier at this point and more focused and with his natural size advantage. I don't know what's going on in Pacquiao's head to listen to leechers and freeloaders instead of the trainer that help got him to the top.

[Truth]

It sounds like we have 10 insiders in the Pac camp ahha
Pac like Maywetaher always has "distractions" in his camp don't buy into everything you hear Pac will be ready for Cotto

[Majesty]

Marquez was ten pounds heavier than he should be for a fight and it showed. He was too small to get anywhere near Floyd.

Pacquiao would have met the same fate. Pacquiao shouldn't face Floyd even for the money. He beat DLH at 147 because DLH was weight-drained. A prime Mosley, Cotto, or PBF would beat Pac. Out of those, he has the best chance of beating Cotto, but Cotto should be too big for Pac too.

I understand there is more money in the higher weight classes, but fighters reach a ceiling at some point. For Pacquiao and Marquez the ceiling is 140.

JMM has no business there!!!

Pac did his business already & he hit the Boom Time!!! PAC was more impressive at this Higher weights than PBF!!!

Pac will KO the Saturday JMM version in 3 rds!!!

And Marquez would have beaten the crap out of the Pacquiao version of De La Hoya that Manny fought. So?

[Rantcatrat]

Marquez was ten pounds heavier than he should be for a fight and it showed. He was too small to get anywhere near Floyd.

Pacquiao would have met the same fate. Pacquiao shouldn't face Floyd even for the money. He beat DLH at 147 because DLH was weight-drained. A prime Mosley, Cotto, or PBF would beat Pac. Out of those, he has the best chance of beating Cotto, but Cotto should be too big for Pac too.

I understand there is more money in the higher weight classes, but fighters reach a ceiling at some point. For Pacquiao and Marquez the ceiling is 140.

Your a complete idiot! Regardless of whether DLH was weight drained or not, Pacquiao's punches rocked Oscar's entire body. Pac was just as fast as ever and his power enhanced greatly! This post is total ignorance!

YOOO. No reason to take it to that level. Isn't that precisely what the moderators try to discourage?

Pacquiao went into the fight an underdog and beat a bigger man - credit is due. I'm not minimizing the significance of that win. It was huge. You think Pacquiao can win fights against the top of the division at welterweight? I don't. And it makes for mismatches. Floyd would smoke Pacquiao. Shane would smoke Pacquiao. Margarito would smoke Pacquiao. PWill would smoke Pacquiao. Cotto will smoke Pacquiao although I give Pacquiao the best chance against Cotto. At some point, you can't get around size. That doesn't mean Pacquiao still isn't great; he is. He should dominate the lower weight classes like he has for the last ten years. Tim Bradley, Amir Khan, Marquez #3 to settle the score, there are options at 140.

I'll tell you what: Pacquiao beats Floyd at 147 and it would be the one of the biggest upsets in a championship fight in a long time.

[Rantcatrat]

Pac & Marquez are too COMPLETELY DIFFERENT entities
One is a 36 yr old who is ending his career by looking small @ 135
The other is a 29 yr old who has physically matured and had his diet improve and has grown into a legit 140 lb fighter
The point is 147 lbs is 2 1/2 weightclasses past Juan's best and 1 past Manny's

So, we agree on Marquez, but disagree on Pacquiao. Fair. Who would Pacquiao beat out of the top fighters at 147?