Why Manny can't beat Floyd

[miron_lang]

4. No he's not. He's getting paid doing what we're doing for free (Discussing boxing). I repeat Manny let cotto hit him to test his power and psy him up.

Lol, you guys are acting like if Manny only got hit when he wanted to.

lol

thats not it. he didnt need half the punishment he took.

Im just saying Manny tried something else which allows cotto to do his thing.

I got this idea from pac himself in an interview. he said 3 things

1. He stood there to test the power of a welterweight
2. He pretended that it didnt bother him but he got hurt a few times
3. He wants to prove that he's stronger (I dont know why but he likes to do that)

[DaxxKahn]

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1. Mayweather has a way better chin than Hatton or Cotto and he's 10x harder to hit cleanly.

2. Watch Mayweather any other southpaw.

3. Pacquiao didn't stand there against Marquez, who hit him continually with ease. That same Marquez is slower, smaller, and less accurate than Mayweather as was painfully evident in their fight.

4. Larry Merchant is a fucking idiot. When Cotto was coming forward and staying cautious he was beating Manny, when he opened up tried to trade, he was getting beaten up by Manny.[/quote]


Mayweather has a better chin then Cotto? How do we know this? When has Floyds chin really been tested? Floyd like Roy Jones in his prime does not get hit enough to know what his chin is really like.

[Taeth]

1. Mayweather has a way better chin than Hatton or Cotto and he's 10x harder to hit cleanly.

2. Watch Mayweather any other southpaw.

3. Pacquiao didn't stand there against Marquez, who hit him continually with ease. That same Marquez is slower, smaller, and less accurate than Mayweather as was painfully evident in their fight.

4. Larry Merchant is a fucking idiot. When Cotto was coming forward and staying cautious he was beating Manny, when he opened up tried to trade, he was getting beaten up by Manny.[/quote]


Mayweather has a better chin then Cotto? How do we know this? When has Floyds chin really been tested? Floyd like Roy Jones in his prime does not get hit enough to know what his chin is really like.[/quote]

He got hit by the same punch as Cotto did against a far fresher version of Corley, and was far less hurt.
2. He took a clean left hook at the end of 12 rounds against De La Hoya with no problems.
3. He took Judah's power way better than Cotto did, and Judah looked way sharper when he faced Mayweather.
4. Mayweather as champion has been slighly stunned once(against Demarcus Corley). Cotto has been stunned numerous times at 140 and 147(to a lesser degree).

All in all there is no question that Mayweather has a far better chin than Cotto.

[fan johnny]

Truth is only few really knew how Pacquiao would do against Dela Hoya. No one really new what would happen when Pacquiao faced Hatton. And not even Roach knew Pacuqiao could walk through Cotto's punches in the later rounds the way Hatton walked through Malignaggi's. And the Truth is no one knows what will happen if Pacquiao faces Mayweather.

Maywether looked impressive against JMM and a lesser fighter like Chris John beat him too. Mayweather looked beatable against Dela Hoya winning by a split decision.

I'd like to see Mayweather try to crowd Pacquiao. I don't think it works. I don't see Mayweather having the courage to go toe to toe because Mayweather doesn't like getting hit. Mayweather doesn't have the punching power of Cotto. Mayweather would do nothing but run. He won't be interested in making a fight of it. He'll only want to box from the outside.

If they have the same speed they will both get hit. Pacquiao's speed shows up in the later rounds once his opponent starts slowing down. Pacquiao got hit against Cotto more because the fool was testing Cotto's power.

[Rantcatrat]

I'd like to see Mayweather try to crowd Pacquiao. Mayweather doesn't have the punching power of Cotto. Mayweather would do nothing but run. He won't be interested in making a fight of it. He'll only want to box from the outside.

If they have the same speed they will both get hit. Pacquiao's speed shows up in the later rounds once his opponent starts slowing down. Pacquiao got hit against Cotto more because the fool was testing Cotto's power.

I agree with Taeth that Floyd will win and if the betting lines open up even remotely close, I'm putting my money on Mayweather. No doubt about it. However, like Taeth, I too am a big fan of Pacquiao, but Mayweather is a different sort of welterweight than Cotto because he fights defensive. In order to win, Manny must get under Mayweather's reach and connect. I like Manny and I sort of see the outcome of this fight as a foregone conclusion with Floyd winning on the cards. I would rather see Manny fight Shane.

Why would Mayweather crowd or push Pacquiao around and turn the fight into an offensive fight? He doesn't generally do that and I don't see why he would change his tune for Pacquiao when Pacquiao is a smaller fighter. Against a bigger fighter Mayweather may have to change his style up but not against Pacquiao. I see Mayweather fighting a defensive fight where he uses his reach and footwork to successfully pot shot Manny from the outside all night and win on the cards. Maybe I need to rewatch the Zab fight?

The only way I see Manny having a chance is if his speed can neutralize Mayweather's defense. I just don't see Manny as able to get in close enough to touch Mayweather.

[Dench]

Good thing you point out that Pacman can absorb the power of a welterweight. I guess Mayweather lacks power, and it is true that Floyd doesnt need to brutally hurt pacman in order to win. Its not his style anyway, and he wont engage in an action-packed exchanges coz he knows Manny can shoot the lights out of him. He doesnt want to gamble, and he hates it. He wants to keep it safe, and the safest way to win against someone like pacman is to run away and jab constantly. That my be enough to outpoint Pacman.

Second, I think Mayweather will not come forward against this particular south paw. He will back off every time and keeps his distance. Besides, he has that advantage on reach against Pacman. He will keep his distance, back pedaling while trowing some jabs. Right cross should be used rarely, that punch will open up his right chin and thus inviting the devastating left hand of pacman. He dont want to end up like Hatton, Im sure.

Third, Speed is at the same level, but I can see Mayweather being more hittable than Pacman. But all in all I see speed will play a factor in the later rounds. The one who has more gas will eventually have the edge in speed.

Fourth, both have holes, Floyd has been tagged by Judah several times, Hatton and dela hoya did a little off but were able to land some clean blows to him as well. Pacman has the same problems. The thing here is how would these two fighters handle the punch. The question is can pacman handle Floyd's punch, and if Floyd can handle Pacman's punch?


My Conclusion:

Floyd will run around. Manny will chase him and invite him to fight like a P4P king, or at least to fight like a man. Floyd will be very slippery. Dancing away, and hitting Pacman with bitch slaps that doesnt hurt at all. Pacman will get frustrated and would probably quit on his stool laughing.

So there you go folks. A great night for boxing.

[BigLuke]

First of all I am as big of a Pacquiao supporter as anyone on here, people said I was a nuthugger, but now that Pacquiao has emphatically proven himself an ATG, at least top 15 ever. After watching both Mayweather-marquez and Pacquiao-Cotto live, I know that Manny won't beat Floyd.

1st. Manny showed something I didn't think he had, the ability to absorbs Cotto's power and stand there and trade, but that doesn't help him whatsoever against Mayweather. Mayweather doesn't need to hurt you to dominate you.

2nd: Mayweather comes forward against southpaws, and Manny needs space to get off his punches, but also he isn't nearly as effective going backwards. Mayweather will keep Manny on his heels and constantly land that right cross which Manny is wide open for all night long.

3rd: Speed. Now they are both the same speed, but Manny relies on being faster way more than Mayweather, thats why the faster the opponent's hands and/or feet are the harder of a time Manny has with them.

4th: Holes. I think Cotto did a good job early of showing that if you are brave enough Manny can be counter effectively because he leaves himself so wide open after he throws punches, I think Marquez demonstrated this far more accutely in their two fights. I think Judah gave Cotto less problems than Manny because Cotto can be hit, but you need to throw punches to hit somebody, and Judah doesn't throw enough punches. I think Judah in terms of landing solidly would give Mayweather more problems than Pacquiao because against Mayweather its about landing that tight left cross as a counter puncher that does the trick, and Manny doesn't have that punch. Manny whole style and stance doesn't allow for him to catch somebody coming in with the left cross effectively. He either flurries back or counters with the right hook which Floyd would easily dodge.

Conclusion: Mayweather will carefully back Pacquiao up, take a couple of rounds to get used to his speed and what he does(just like against Judah), then Floyd will pick Manny's porous defense apart. If guys like Marquez and Cotto can left cleanly on Manny then Mayweather will do it much easier than either of them, and nobody lands punches in bunches consistently against Floyd who also has a great chin if some punches get through.

If you think Floyd can come forward on Manny and beat him you are out of your mind. Thats asking for brutal punnishment which im sure manny will gladly dish out. If Floyd has a prayer its to stick to his jab and run routine which wont work either. If Floyd comes to Mayweather its gonna be a short night for the money maker, and hes gonna be helped off the canvas not knowing what happened. I seriously for floyds sake hope he doesnt follow your strategy. Wait...scratch that. Floyd please follow that strategy.

[cnote111]

Anyone calling themselves a Pac Fan and picking PBF will be sorely mistaken that they didn't back there so called favorite fighter...

Very disappointing to hear from the Pac supporters that the "reality" result is a Mayweather easy decision and/or possible KO...

I will just look forward to all the egg on everyones face... Unless you're trying to create the win/win situation by picking against your own team. By that i mean if Pac loses you can say "i knew it would happen" and if pac proves you wrong then it was great to be wrong. <---WEAK!!!

It does not take blind faith to see that Pacquiao has all the tools to take out this self proclaimed GOAT... The day will come when Pac rids boxing of this Narcissistic Ass! (it will happen)

[skel1983]

Anyone calling themselves a Pac Fan and picking PBF will be sorely mistaken that they didn't back there so called favorite fighter...

Very disappointing to hear from the Pac supporters that the "reality" result is a Mayweather easy decision and/or possible KO...

I will just look forward to all the egg on everyones face... Unless you're trying to create the win/win situation by picking against your own team. By that i mean if Pac loses you can say "i knew it would happen" and if pac proves you wrong then it was great to be wrong. <---WEAK!!!

It does not take blind faith to see that Pacquiao has all the tools to take out this self proclaimed GOAT... The day will come when Pac rids boxing of this Narcissistic Ass! (it will happen)

What the hell you on about??

It's quite refreshing to see so called Pac fans saying Floyd will win, not saying he will win im still undecided but Floyd is the favourite imo.

Say my favourite fighter rite now is Matthew Hatton because im a huge fan do you think I would back him to beat Pac?

[JazMerkin]

Anyone calling themselves a Pac Fan and picking PBF will be sorely mistaken that they didn't back there so called favorite fighter...

Very disappointing to hear from the Pac supporters that the "reality" result is a Mayweather easy decision and/or possible KO...

I will just look forward to all the egg on everyones face... Unless you're trying to create the win/win situation by picking against your own team. By that i mean if Pac loses you can say "i knew it would happen" and if pac proves you wrong then it was great to be wrong. <---WEAK!!!

It does not take blind faith to see that Pacquiao has all the tools to take out this self proclaimed GOAT... The day will come when Pac rids boxing of this Narcissistic Ass! (it will happen)

What the hell you on about??

It's quite refreshing to see so called Pac fans saying Floyd will win, not saying he will win im still undecided but Floyd is the favourite imo.

Say my favourite fighter rite now is Matthew Hatton because im a huge fan do you think I would back him to beat Pac?

If that was the case I'd lose respect for you

Anyway on the subject, I do think Mayweather will win, I saw enough in the fight for how he can beat him & I think HE knows he can beat him.

However, even as a Floyd fan, I'd never say Pacquiao couldn't beat him & I think anyone saying only one of the two can win isn't thinking straight. Like it or not, they are BOTH atgs, between them they've beat up to a dozen possible hall of famers, so for me it's as close a 50-50 fight as we've got in a super-fight in recent times because they are both great.

[cnote111]

Anyone calling themselves a Pac Fan and picking PBF will be sorely mistaken that they didn't back there so called favorite fighter...

Very disappointing to hear from the Pac supporters that the "reality" result is a Mayweather easy decision and/or possible KO...

I will just look forward to all the egg on everyones face... Unless you're trying to create the win/win situation by picking against your own team. By that i mean if Pac loses you can say "i knew it would happen" and if pac proves you wrong then it was great to be wrong. <---WEAK!!!

It does not take blind faith to see that Pacquiao has all the tools to take out this self proclaimed GOAT... The day will come when Pac rids boxing of this Narcissistic Ass! (it will happen)

What the hell you on about??

It's quite refreshing to see so called Pac fans saying Floyd will win, not saying he will win im still undecided but Floyd is the favourite imo.

Say my favourite fighter rite now is Matthew Hatton because im a huge fan do you think I would back him to beat Pac?

There's nothing refreshing about it... I'm cool with the 50/50 comment, and i'm cool with "it won't be easy at all to defeat a fighter like PBF"... But to say Manny "CAN'T" beat Floyd is ludicris... Thats the part i have a problem with especially for a "Pac Fan"..

Also, for you to even compare the likeliness of Matthew Hatton beating pac is equavalent to Pac Beating Floyd was wayyyyy off base.... i think i puked in my mouth a little...

[skel1983]

Anyone calling themselves a Pac Fan and picking PBF will be sorely mistaken that they didn't back there so called favorite fighter...

Very disappointing to hear from the Pac supporters that the "reality" result is a Mayweather easy decision and/or possible KO...

I will just look forward to all the egg on everyones face... Unless you're trying to create the win/win situation by picking against your own team. By that i mean if Pac loses you can say "i knew it would happen" and if pac proves you wrong then it was great to be wrong. <---WEAK!!!

It does not take blind faith to see that Pacquiao has all the tools to take out this self proclaimed GOAT... The day will come when Pac rids boxing of this Narcissistic Ass! (it will happen)

What the hell you on about??

It's quite refreshing to see so called Pac fans saying Floyd will win, not saying he will win im still undecided but Floyd is the favourite imo.

Say my favourite fighter rite now is Matthew Hatton because im a huge fan do you think I would back him to beat Pac?

There's nothing refreshing about it... I'm cool with the 50/50 comment, and i'm cool with "it won't be easy at all to defeat a fighter like PBF"... But to say Manny "CAN'T" beat Floyd is ludicris... Thats the part i have a problem with especially for a "Pac Fan"..

Also, for you to even compare the likeliness of Matthew Hatton beating pac is equavalent to Pac Beating Floyd was wayyyyy off base.... i think i puked in my mouth a little...

Why is it ludicrous to think Pac cant beat Floyd??

Floyd is unbeaton fighter who is a great fighter, so cos you got ur head so far up Manny's arse it's ludicrous for anyone to think Pac cant beat probably the best fighter technically we have seen for the last fifthteen years??

I have my favourite fighters but that doesnt cloud my judgement when my fighter is possibly got his hands full im not going to say my man will win whoever he faces just because I get a bit of blood in the end of my penis everytime his name is mentioned!!!

The odds have Floyd a clear favourite will he win we dont know but with the guys skills there is every possibility he makes Pac look silly we will have to see.

[THE THIRD MAN]

First of all I am as big of a Pacquiao supporter as anyone on here, people said I was a nuthugger, but now that Pacquiao has emphatically proven himself an ATG, at least top 15 ever. After watching both Mayweather-marquez and Pacquiao-Cotto live, I know that Manny won't beat Floyd.

1st. Manny showed something I didn't think he had, the ability to absorbs Cotto's power and stand there and trade, but that doesn't help him whatsoever against Mayweather. Mayweather doesn't need to hurt you to dominate you.

2nd: Mayweather comes forward against southpaws, and Manny needs space to get off his punches, but also he isn't nearly as effective going backwards. Mayweather will keep Manny on his heels and constantly land that right cross which Manny is wide open for all night long.

3rd: Speed. Now they are both the same speed, but Manny relies on being faster way more than Mayweather, thats why the faster the opponent's hands and/or feet are the harder of a time Manny has with them.

4th: Holes. I think Cotto did a good job early of showing that if you are brave enough Manny can be counter effectively because he leaves himself so wide open after he throws punches, I think Marquez demonstrated this far more accutely in their two fights. I think Judah gave Cotto less problems than Manny because Cotto can be hit, but you need to throw punches to hit somebody, and Judah doesn't throw enough punches. I think Judah in terms of landing solidly would give Mayweather more problems than Pacquiao because against Mayweather its about landing that tight left cross as a counter puncher that does the trick, and Manny doesn't have that punch. Manny whole style and stance doesn't allow for him to catch somebody coming in with the left cross effectively. He either flurries back or counters with the right hook which Floyd would easily dodge.

Conclusion: Mayweather will carefully back Pacquiao up, take a couple of rounds to get used to his speed and what he does(just like against Judah), then Floyd will pick Manny's porous defense apart. If guys like Marquez and Cotto can left cleanly on Manny then Mayweather will do it much easier than either of them, and nobody lands punches in bunches consistently against Floyd who also has a great chin if some punches get through.

I've seen threads "Why Manny can't beat Oscar"? "Why Manny can't beat Hatton"? 'Why Manny can't beat Cotto" ? My question is can Floyd beat Manny? So many people on this forum have not believed in Pacquaio (including me) and yet he proves us wrong each time. Manny Pacquaio has the best chance yet of beating Floyd Mayweather, it will be a helluva fight and Floyd will have to be at the very top of his game to withstand the onslaught that he will be getting from Manny Pacquaio. I believe PBF to be the best defensive fighter i have ever seen, he will need all of this skill to hold off and beat Manny Pacquaio. If Manny hits him then things get really interesting.

[Taeth]

First of all I am as big of a Pacquiao supporter as anyone on here, people said I was a nuthugger, but now that Pacquiao has emphatically proven himself an ATG, at least top 15 ever. After watching both Mayweather-marquez and Pacquiao-Cotto live, I know that Manny won't beat Floyd.

1st. Manny showed something I didn't think he had, the ability to absorbs Cotto's power and stand there and trade, but that doesn't help him whatsoever against Mayweather. Mayweather doesn't need to hurt you to dominate you.

2nd: Mayweather comes forward against southpaws, and Manny needs space to get off his punches, but also he isn't nearly as effective going backwards. Mayweather will keep Manny on his heels and constantly land that right cross which Manny is wide open for all night long.

3rd: Speed. Now they are both the same speed, but Manny relies on being faster way more than Mayweather, thats why the faster the opponent's hands and/or feet are the harder of a time Manny has with them.

4th: Holes. I think Cotto did a good job early of showing that if you are brave enough Manny can be counter effectively because he leaves himself so wide open after he throws punches, I think Marquez demonstrated this far more accutely in their two fights. I think Judah gave Cotto less problems than Manny because Cotto can be hit, but you need to throw punches to hit somebody, and Judah doesn't throw enough punches. I think Judah in terms of landing solidly would give Mayweather more problems than Pacquiao because against Mayweather its about landing that tight left cross as a counter puncher that does the trick, and Manny doesn't have that punch. Manny whole style and stance doesn't allow for him to catch somebody coming in with the left cross effectively. He either flurries back or counters with the right hook which Floyd would easily dodge.

Conclusion: Mayweather will carefully back Pacquiao up, take a couple of rounds to get used to his speed and what he does(just like against Judah), then Floyd will pick Manny's porous defense apart. If guys like Marquez and Cotto can left cleanly on Manny then Mayweather will do it much easier than either of them, and nobody lands punches in bunches consistently against Floyd who also has a great chin if some punches get through.

I've seen threads "Why Manny can't beat Oscar"? "Why Manny can't beat Hatton"? 'Why Manny can't beat Cotto" ? My question is can Floyd beat Manny? So many people on this forum have not believed in Pacquaio (including me) and yet he proves us wrong each time. Manny Pacquaio has the best chance yet of beating Floyd Mayweather, it will be a helluva fight and Floyd will have to be at the very top of his game to withstand the onslaught that he will be getting from Manny Pacquaio. I believe PBF to be the best defensive fighter i have ever seen, he will need all of this skill to hold off and beat Manny Pacquaio. If Manny hits him then things get really interesting.

I've seen the same threads for Mayweather who proved them wrong each time, and he fought a better Hatton and a better De La HOya and just like Pacquiao-Marquez their styles work way better against orthodox fighters. Hatton has always had troubles with southpaws and getting hit by the right hook coming in, which totally unravelled his game plan, and Oscar was shot. I still think what Manny did was incredible, but it wasn't the same guys that fought Mayweather. Oscar didn't throw any of his punches with any life behind them.

I dare anyone to try and tell me that the Oscar who fought Floyd wouldn't have given Manny all he could handle, or that the OScar who fought Manny would have done as well against Floyd at 147.

I am stating my opinion now and it will be proven when they face eachother. If Manny had a Joe Calzaghe's style with his power and speed then I think it would be a different story, but Joe throws a lot more punches and has better defensive instincts, and he forces you to back up if you are anything but an all out brawler.

[miron_lang]

First of all I am as big of a Pacquiao supporter as anyone on here, people said I was a nuthugger, but now that Pacquiao has emphatically proven himself an ATG, at least top 15 ever. After watching both Mayweather-marquez and Pacquiao-Cotto live, I know that Manny won't beat Floyd.

1st. Manny showed something I didn't think he had, the ability to absorbs Cotto's power and stand there and trade, but that doesn't help him whatsoever against Mayweather. Mayweather doesn't need to hurt you to dominate you.

2nd: Mayweather comes forward against southpaws, and Manny needs space to get off his punches, but also he isn't nearly as effective going backwards. Mayweather will keep Manny on his heels and constantly land that right cross which Manny is wide open for all night long.

3rd: Speed. Now they are both the same speed, but Manny relies on being faster way more than Mayweather, thats why the faster the opponent's hands and/or feet are the harder of a time Manny has with them.

4th: Holes. I think Cotto did a good job early of showing that if you are brave enough Manny can be counter effectively because he leaves himself so wide open after he throws punches, I think Marquez demonstrated this far more accutely in their two fights. I think Judah gave Cotto less problems than Manny because Cotto can be hit, but you need to throw punches to hit somebody, and Judah doesn't throw enough punches. I think Judah in terms of landing solidly would give Mayweather more problems than Pacquiao because against Mayweather its about landing that tight left cross as a counter puncher that does the trick, and Manny doesn't have that punch. Manny whole style and stance doesn't allow for him to catch somebody coming in with the left cross effectively. He either flurries back or counters with the right hook which Floyd would easily dodge.

Conclusion: Mayweather will carefully back Pacquiao up, take a couple of rounds to get used to his speed and what he does(just like against Judah), then Floyd will pick Manny's porous defense apart. If guys like Marquez and Cotto can left cleanly on Manny then Mayweather will do it much easier than either of them, and nobody lands punches in bunches consistently against Floyd who also has a great chin if some punches get through.

I've seen threads "Why Manny can't beat Oscar"? "Why Manny can't beat Hatton"? 'Why Manny can't beat Cotto" ? My question is can Floyd beat Manny? So many people on this forum have not believed in Pacquaio (including me) and yet he proves us wrong each time. Manny Pacquaio has the best chance yet of beating Floyd Mayweather, it will be a helluva fight and Floyd will have to be at the very top of his game to withstand the onslaught that he will be getting from Manny Pacquaio. I believe PBF to be the best defensive fighter i have ever seen, he will need all of this skill to hold off and beat Manny Pacquaio. If Manny hits him then things get really interesting.

I've seen the same threads for Mayweather who proved them wrong each time, and he fought a better Hatton and a better De La HOya and just like Pacquiao-Marquez their styles work way better against orthodox fighters. Hatton has always had troubles with southpaws and getting hit by the right hook coming in, which totally unravelled his game plan, and Oscar was shot. I still think what Manny did was incredible, but it wasn't the same guys that fought Mayweather. Oscar didn't throw any of his punches with any life behind them.

I dare anyone to try and tell me that the Oscar who fought Floyd wouldn't have given Manny all he could handle, or that the OScar who fought Manny would have done as well against Floyd at 147.

I am stating my opinion now and it will be proven when they face eachother. If Manny had a Joe Calzaghe's style with his power and speed then I think it would be a different story, but Joe throws a lot more punches and has better defensive instincts, and he forces you to back up if you are anything but an all out brawler.

Im not so sure about the actual numbers but do you have a punch stat to back that up?