Holy S**T

[kingfrnk]

Im sorry but this just goes to show how much Joe Calzaghe's career, is a farce it really is. Everyone knew Roy Jones Jr was shot, and Joe Calzaghe said he would never fight Roy Jones Jr because it wouldn't mean anything, but he did anyway. And this fight really just shows how much Joe Calzaghe's win over Roy Jones Jr is a joke.

His win over Mikkel Kessler isn't that much better either, i said last week i'd reserve judgment until i see how bad Andre Ward beat him. And really and truthfully Andre Ward made Mikkel Kessler look stupid probably winning every round, and i do know hindsight is a wonderful thing and ETC.

But if you think about it Mikkel Kessler's best win is against Anthony Mundine, who is good but how good exactly ? he hasn't fought anyone since Danny Green in 2006.

I give him credit for the Bernard Hopkins fight, but i still think he lost that fight. And i think a prime Bernard Hopkins, who had the stamina. And more punching power would of stopped Joe Calzaghe IMO.

The Chris Eubank fight is hard for me to judge, because Chris Eubank was past his prime and wasn't long coming off losing to Steve Collins x2, and he did have to lose a stupid amount of weight to fight Joe Calzaghe. But he did go on to have 2 brave efforts vs Carl Thompson, so really it all depends on how you look at it.

But other than that who else is there really ?

Robin Reid = A fighter many believe he lost to, who had also recently lost to a 40+ Thulani Malinga.

Jeff Lacy = A fighter i never thought that much of, and i've stated this many times. Even in his so called prime he had alot of trouble vs Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool. And since the Joe Calzaghe fight he has been embarrassing.

Sakio Bika = A nobody at that time, he has since won The Contender but no one knows how good he is really. But he was beaten one sidely by Lucian Bute.

Mario Veit = Weak chinned Mario Veit ? don't make me laugh.

Byron Mitchell = his career was so short no one knows, that much about him. He did have a close fight against Sven Ottke, but then again who didn't. He had two struggles vs Manny Siaca, and 2 close fights vs Bruno Girad. And thats basically his career, his best win is against Manny Siaca, and when Byron Mitchell comeback out of retirement, he was embarrassed by a shot Richard Hall.

Charles Brewer = Past his best and had not long lost to Antwun Echols, in a thriller. I don't really much about Charles Brewer, except he was exciting. And that he beat a shot Herol Graham after being decked a few times himself.

Richie Woodhall = Not long coming off a bad loss to Markus Beyer, where he was decked 3 times by the feather fisted Markus Beyer. Not only was Richie Woodhall past his best, he also had an injury to his right arm. Where if he missed a punch with his right arm, while its extended. It would be in alot of pain, the highlight of Richie Woodhall's career is beating a 40+ Thulani Malinga, the same one Robin Reid lost to. The only time he stepped up to world class level aka Keith Holmes, he was beaten convincingly.

Most of Joe Calzaghe's best wins are against fighters, who recently had bad losses or bad performances. Or who were past there best, his only beaten two prime fighters Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler. Jeff Lacy was never that good IMO, and Mikkel Kessler i thought was a good fighter, but i did state many times i didn't know how good he was, because he had only fought one really good fighter in Anthony Mundine.

well said

[Nameless]

I've seen it. It is sad, very sad. No grand dads final (hopkins vs Jones) to end up their careers, it has to be very over now. All the credit to Green, all my sadness for one of my favorite all time boxers and legend, it's seriously time to call it a day.

[Jimmy G-Force]

Im sorry but this just goes to show how much Joe Calzaghe's career, is a farce it really is. Everyone knew Roy Jones Jr was shot, and Joe Calzaghe said he would never fight Roy Jones Jr because it wouldn't mean anything, but he did anyway. And this fight really just shows how much Joe Calzaghe's win over Roy Jones Jr is a joke.

His win over Mikkel Kessler isn't that much better either, i said last week i'd reserve judgment until i see how bad Andre Ward beat him. And really and truthfully Andre Ward made Mikkel Kessler look stupid probably winning every round, and i do know hindsight is a wonderful thing and ETC.

But if you think about it Mikkel Kessler's best win is against Anthony Mundine, who is good but how good exactly ? he hasn't fought anyone since Danny Green in 2006.

I give him credit for the Bernard Hopkins fight, but i still think he lost that fight. And i think a prime Bernard Hopkins, who had the stamina. And more punching power would of stopped Joe Calzaghe IMO.

The Chris Eubank fight is hard for me to judge, because Chris Eubank was past his prime and wasn't long coming off losing to Steve Collins x2, and he did have to lose a stupid amount of weight to fight Joe Calzaghe. But he did go on to have 2 brave efforts vs Carl Thompson, so really it all depends on how you look at it.

But other than that who else is there really ?

Robin Reid = A fighter many believe he lost to, who had also recently lost to a 40+ Thulani Malinga.

Jeff Lacy = A fighter i never thought that much of, and i've stated this many times. Even in his so called prime he had alot of trouble vs Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool. And since the Joe Calzaghe fight he has been embarrassing.

Sakio Bika = A nobody at that time, he has since won The Contender but no one knows how good he is really. But he was beaten one sidely by Lucian Bute.

Mario Veit = Weak chinned Mario Veit ? don't make me laugh.

Byron Mitchell = his career was so short no one knows, that much about him. He did have a close fight against Sven Ottke, but then again who didn't. He had two struggles vs Manny Siaca, and 2 close fights vs Bruno Girad. And thats basically his career, his best win is against Manny Siaca, and when Byron Mitchell comeback out of retirement, he was embarrassed by a shot Richard Hall.

Charles Brewer = Past his best and had not long lost to Antwun Echols, in a thriller. I don't really much about Charles Brewer, except he was exciting. And that he beat a shot Herol Graham after being decked a few times himself.

Richie Woodhall = Not long coming off a bad loss to Markus Beyer, where he was decked 3 times by the feather fisted Markus Beyer. Not only was Richie Woodhall past his best, he also had an injury to his right arm. Where if he missed a punch with his right arm, while its extended. It would be in alot of pain, the highlight of Richie Woodhall's career is beating a 40+ Thulani Malinga, the same one Robin Reid lost to. The only time he stepped up to world class level aka Keith Holmes, he was beaten convincingly.

Most of Joe Calzaghe's best wins are against fighters, who recently had bad losses or bad performances. Or who were past there best, his only beaten two prime fighters Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler. Jeff Lacy was never that good IMO, and Mikkel Kessler i thought was a good fighter, but i did state many times i didn't know how good he was, because he had only fought one really good fighter in Anthony Mundine.

I'm not a Calzaghe fan, and I do believe he owns one of the most padded records in the game, but I honestly dont think you can really draw comparisons off this loss for Jones. The bottom line is this is the fight game and anything can happen, and as Green has just proven, anything did happen.

Roy's performance last time out against Lacy was pretty spectacular, even though I have never rated Lacy more than a decent club fighter at best. Roy has never been the same figther for me since he had to lose 30lbs of muscle after the Ruiz fight. At his age, his body couldnt cope, and the after effects, see Tarver and Johnson.

In saying that, he has looked pretty solid of late, albeit against lower tier opposition. The Calzaghe fight looked more like a sparring session if truth be known. Roy didnt even look interested in that fight.

As for Calzaghe against Hopkins, I had Hopkins winning that fight.I thought he made Joe look silly at times. Too clever, too slick, but sadly, and this is typical of Nard's career, he just looked to do enough and nothing more. He also gave Joe justification for the moral victor because of the bullshit he was pulling in the ring.

For me Calzaghe's best win was against Eubank. I dont think Chris was over the hill at the point at all, and to drop that iron chin early and box the way he did afterwards was certainly his most impressive performance in my book.

I was actually at the Calzaghe v Reid fight and had Reid winning that by a couple of points.

Anyway, like I said, I dont think this Green win has any bearing on Calzaghe's legacy. It's just a very sad day, and I'm sure even with the elation, deep down, the Aussie boxing fans probably feel the same.

Just my 2 cents.

[Spicoli]

It Needed to happen.Sorry but all I have is this guy >

[DaxxKahn]

I had a feeling this would happen, just not so quickly, I don't understand why so many people though wins over Shieka and Lacy meant Jones was back, he looked like an old man struggling to look like he did in his glory days against second tier opp past their best.

Hopefully Jones calls it quits now though like Holyfield I don't think he will. All of Roys KO losses have been bad ones that just buckled him the kind that cause permenent damage, I would like to see Jones in the future as an announcer or trainer without a slur....

[southpaw85]

Im sorry but this just goes to show how much Joe Calzaghe's career, is a farce it really is. Everyone knew Roy Jones Jr was shot, and Joe Calzaghe said he would never fight Roy Jones Jr because it wouldn't mean anything, but he did anyway. And this fight really just shows how much Joe Calzaghe's win over Roy Jones Jr is a joke.

His win over Mikkel Kessler isn't that much better either, i said last week i'd reserve judgment until i see how bad Andre Ward beat him. And really and truthfully Andre Ward made Mikkel Kessler look stupid probably winning every round, and i do know hindsight is a wonderful thing and ETC.

But if you think about it Mikkel Kessler's best win is against Anthony Mundine, who is good but how good exactly ? he hasn't fought anyone since Danny Green in 2006.

I give him credit for the Bernard Hopkins fight, but i still think he lost that fight. And i think a prime Bernard Hopkins, who had the stamina. And more punching power would of stopped Joe Calzaghe IMO.

The Chris Eubank fight is hard for me to judge, because Chris Eubank was past his prime and wasn't long coming off losing to Steve Collins x2, and he did have to lose a stupid amount of weight to fight Joe Calzaghe. But he did go on to have 2 brave efforts vs Carl Thompson, so really it all depends on how you look at it.

But other than that who else is there really ?

Robin Reid = A fighter many believe he lost to, who had also recently lost to a 40+ Thulani Malinga.

Jeff Lacy = A fighter i never thought that much of, and i've stated this many times. Even in his so called prime he had alot of trouble vs Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool. And since the Joe Calzaghe fight he has been embarrassing.

Sakio Bika = A nobody at that time, he has since won The Contender but no one knows how good he is really. But he was beaten one sidely by Lucian Bute.

Mario Veit = Weak chinned Mario Veit ? don't make me laugh.

Byron Mitchell = his career was so short no one knows, that much about him. He did have a close fight against Sven Ottke, but then again who didn't. He had two struggles vs Manny Siaca, and 2 close fights vs Bruno Girad. And thats basically his career, his best win is against Manny Siaca, and when Byron Mitchell comeback out of retirement, he was embarrassed by a shot Richard Hall.

Charles Brewer = Past his best and had not long lost to Antwun Echols, in a thriller. I don't really much about Charles Brewer, except he was exciting. And that he beat a shot Herol Graham after being decked a few times himself.

Richie Woodhall = Not long coming off a bad loss to Markus Beyer, where he was decked 3 times by the feather fisted Markus Beyer. Not only was Richie Woodhall past his best, he also had an injury to his right arm. Where if he missed a punch with his right arm, while its extended. It would be in alot of pain, the highlight of Richie Woodhall's career is beating a 40+ Thulani Malinga, the same one Robin Reid lost to. The only time he stepped up to world class level aka Keith Holmes, he was beaten convincingly.

Most of Joe Calzaghe's best wins are against fighters, who recently had bad losses or bad performances. Or who were past there best, his only beaten two prime fighters Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler. Jeff Lacy was never that good IMO, and Mikkel Kessler i thought was a good fighter, but i did state many times i didn't know how good he was, because he had only fought one really good fighter in Anthony Mundine.

Big joe is the man, he beat everyone put in front of him. Which is more than i can say for roy jones.

Humitiated in 60 seconds, dont think anyone saw that coming.

[Andre]

Green KO's Jones in 60 seconds! Well it was actually 2 mins, but fuck me it seemed like just seconds. Hit him with a right hand temple shot, Jones folded like a deck of cards.

Mate you see Mundine in Roys corner,he looked very sour. serve him right.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Green KO's Jones in 60 seconds! Well it was actually 2 mins, but fuck me it seemed like just seconds. Hit him with a right hand temple shot, Jones folded like a deck of cards.

Mate you see Mundine in Roys corner,he looked very sour. serve him right.

Serve him right for what

[Themantonio]

Green KO's Jones in 60 seconds! Well it was actually 2 mins, but fuck me it seemed like just seconds. Hit him with a right hand temple shot, Jones folded like a deck of cards.

Mate you see Mundine in Roys corner,he looked very sour. serve him right.

Serve him right for what

Yeh true man, serve him right for what?

[Themantonio]

Mate you see Mundine in Roys corner,he looked very sour. serve him right.[/quote]


U reckon? I thought he looked like "sh*t, I'm glad I'm goin down to Jr Middleweight" (which in my mind is ridicolous for someone his age to do), also had a look of concern and sadness for his mate Roy being beaten in such a manner. I mean to be honest even Nadar Hamdan looked stunned and sorrowful for Roy, but I don't think Choc ever had a look of sour grapes.