Why is crime so high in England?

[Fenster]

Violent crime is interpreted different from country to country and area to area. Spitting can come under the same banner as getting shot.

Statistics... pfft (all about manipulation).

[VictorCharlie]

Pick your poison.

UK - Better chance of running into a violent criminal

US - Better chance of that criminal AND you being armed.

I know facts and logic are your kryptonite but this is what one would call pot calling the kettle black.

[Beanz]

Stats are pliable but I've seen reports where the UK's violent crime per capita exceeds ours.

"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"

BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.

[El Kabong]

Stats are pliable but I've seen reports where the UK's violent crime per capita exceeds ours.

"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"

BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.

To be SHOT....considering how many guns there are in America vs how many there are in England "60 times more likely" ain't all that great a statistic

[TitoFan]

Stats are pliable but I've seen reports where the UK's violent crime per capita exceeds ours.

"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"

BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.

To be SHOT....considering how many guns there are in America vs how many there are in England "60 times more likely" ain't all that great a statistic

All things considered... I'll choose the "60 times less likely".

[El Kabong]

Stats are pliable but I've seen reports where the UK's violent crime per capita exceeds ours.

"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"

BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.

To be SHOT....considering how many guns there are in America vs how many there are in England "60 times more likely" ain't all that great a statistic

All things considered... I'll choose the "60 times less likely".

Maybe they should outlaw crime....then there would be less of it

[mrbig1]

I'm not comparing the UK to the USA. Crime has always been a problem here. On my trip in 82 I could walk the streets of London after dark with no worries. My American friend tells me it's really bad there. I just want to know what changed over the years?

[VictorCharlie]

Stats are pliable but I've seen reports where the UK's violent crime per capita exceeds ours.

"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"

BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.

NationMaster - Crime stats: United Kingdom vs United States

You could draw a lot of different conclusions from that link. Like I said..."Pliable". Lets be honest though, what did you expect the Home Office to say? "Yeah we got a real shit hole over here." Worse, better, the same; regardless, the UK does seem to have a problem with violent crime worse better and the same as places in the US.

[killersheep]

I'm not comparing the UK to the USA. Crime has always been a problem here. On my trip in 82 I could walk the streets of London after dark with no worries. My American friend tells me it's really bad there. I just want to know what changed over the years?

No no no, that's not what you're asking, you're asking about gun rights in America.

[IamInuit]

Insanity: Paraphrase. Doing, committing, sustaining the same thing over and over and over again and expecting different results.

[Dia bando]

We must remember crime rates, are high at the moment very few good jobs, poor wages high unemployment.Young people feel like they are on the the scrapheap, so what are they turning to crime
no all some a very few, we can not tar the youth of today for the crimes of a few.
Jobs we need and a fair wage for all, the pay deficit between upper and lower class is a disgrace in
this day and age.
People are better off in work, it gives people self asteam and it occupies your time,and the plus you
get paid simple fact's.

[Beanz]

Stats are pliable but I've seen reports where the UK's violent crime per capita exceeds ours.

"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"

BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.

NationMaster - Crime stats: United Kingdom vs United States

You could draw a lot of different conclusions from that link. Like I said..."Pliable". Lets be honest though, what did you expect the Home Office to say? "Yeah we got a real shit hole over here." Worse, better, the same; regardless, the UK does seem to have a problem with violent crime worse better and the same as places in the US.

With respect, you know not, that of which you speak. It would be very convenient and helpful for you and your pro gun owning agenda if what you said was true, but it isn't. Our Police force does not want to be armed, our civilians do not want to be armed.

[mattboxingfan]

I'm not comparing the UK to the USA. Crime has always been a problem here. On my trip in 82 I could walk the streets of London after dark with no worries. My American friend tells me it's really bad there. I just want to know what changed over the years?

It all depends where your walking about at night in London. There are rough areas in London just like there are in the US and the rest of the world.

[TitoFan]

Stats are pliable but I've seen reports where the UK's violent crime per capita exceeds ours.

"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"

BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.

NationMaster - Crime stats: United Kingdom vs United States

You could draw a lot of different conclusions from that link. Like I said..."Pliable". Lets be honest though, what did you expect the Home Office to say? "Yeah we got a real shit hole over here." Worse, better, the same; regardless, the UK does seem to have a problem with violent crime worse better and the same as places in the US.

And you can argue in favor of gun rights in the U.S. without affecting your credibility, because that's all it is, your opinion. However, when you begin trying to play semantics with statistics to prove that violent crime in the UK is somehow comparable with violent crime in the U.S., well............

[VictorCharlie]

Stats are pliable but I've seen reports where the UK's violent crime per capita exceeds ours.

"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"


BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.

NationMaster - Crime stats: United Kingdom vs United States

You could draw a lot of different conclusions from that link. Like I said..."Pliable". Lets be honest though, what did you expect the Home Office to say? "Yeah we got a real shit hole over here." Worse, better, the same; regardless, the UK does seem to have a problem with violent crime worse better and the same as places in the US.

With respect, you know not, that of which you speak. It would be very convenient and helpful for you and your pro gun owning agenda if what you said was true, but it isn't. Our Police force does not want to be armed, our civilians do not want to be armed.

I don't claim to know a lot about the UK nor do I care about firearm ownership in the UK but the link I posted seems pretty clear. I'm not trying to promote any agenda in this thread but it seems one is more likely to be a homicide victim in the US, much more likely to be shot in the US but more than twice as likely to be a victim of a violent crime in the UK. I have no idea how "Nation Master" collects their data but at face value it pretty much supports my previous posts.