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    Default Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.

    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Make the weight! You lazy bums! It's only 7 pounds between weight divisions.
    The first 5 or 6 times it happened it was like... ok... let's do it so the fight can be made.
    But it's becoming ridiculous now.
    If you can't make the weight, don't fight at that division. Simple as.

    Rather than doing this, would it not be easier to make a weightclass for every pound between 100 & 350. We need 250 weight divisions and a diamond belt in each! Yeno...for clarity.

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    Default Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.

    Quote Originally Posted by bzkfn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Make the weight! You lazy bums! It's only 7 pounds between weight divisions.
    The first 5 or 6 times it happened it was like... ok... let's do it so the fight can be made.
    But it's becoming ridiculous now.
    If you can't make the weight, don't fight at that division. Simple as.

    Rather than doing this, would it not be easier to make a weightclass for every pound between 100 & 350. We need 250 weight divisions and a diamond belt in each! Yeno...for clarity.


    Haha... yeah. But somehow being crowned "The New 148-lb Champion of the World!!" doesn't have the same ring to it as being "The New Welterweight Champion of the World!!".... just 'cause some lazy ass decided his best weight is 148.

    Besides, how long would it be before we started cutting those division in half, also?

    "And the winner...... and NEW..... "133 and a half" Champion of the World......" (rest drowned out by roar of the crowd).

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    Default Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.

    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bzkfn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Make the weight! You lazy bums! It's only 7 pounds between weight divisions.
    The first 5 or 6 times it happened it was like... ok... let's do it so the fight can be made.
    But it's becoming ridiculous now.
    If you can't make the weight, don't fight at that division. Simple as.

    Rather than doing this, would it not be easier to make a weightclass for every pound between 100 & 350. We need 250 weight divisions and a diamond belt in each! Yeno...for clarity.


    Haha... yeah. But somehow being crowned "The New 148-lb Champion of the World!!" doesn't have the same ring to it as being "The New Welterweight Champion of the World!!".... just 'cause some lazy ass decided his best weight is 148.

    Besides, how long would it be before we started cutting those division in half, also?

    "And the winner...... and NEW..... "133 and a half" Champion of the World......" (rest drowned out by roar of the crowd).
    148lbs is light-mini-junior-middleweight. If you're willing to jump up to 149lbs, you can become super-light-mini-junior-middleweight champion of the world. That is the dream anyway.

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    Default Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.

    Quote Originally Posted by bzkfn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bzkfn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Make the weight! You lazy bums! It's only 7 pounds between weight divisions.
    The first 5 or 6 times it happened it was like... ok... let's do it so the fight can be made.
    But it's becoming ridiculous now.
    If you can't make the weight, don't fight at that division. Simple as.

    Rather than doing this, would it not be easier to make a weightclass for every pound between 100 & 350. We need 250 weight divisions and a diamond belt in each! Yeno...for clarity.


    Haha... yeah. But somehow being crowned "The New 148-lb Champion of the World!!" doesn't have the same ring to it as being "The New Welterweight Champion of the World!!".... just 'cause some lazy ass decided his best weight is 148.

    Besides, how long would it be before we started cutting those division in half, also?

    "And the winner...... and NEW..... "133 and a half" Champion of the World......" (rest drowned out by roar of the crowd).
    148lbs is light-mini-junior-middleweight. If you're willing to jump up to 149lbs, you can become super-light-mini-junior-middleweight champion of the world. That is the dream anyway.

    The days of glorifying 4-weight-division champions will be over.
    Now we won't bat an eye until "so-and-so" has won at least 15 weight division championships.

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    Default Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.

    Catchweights are actually the fairest form of boxing you can get. BOTH fighters have to be in unison. One man says he's comfortable making the agreed weight, the other man says he's comfortable making the agreed weight. Harmony.

    You can't have excuses after like - "he was weightdrained," "he's small at the weight," "he's big at the weight"

    The best man wins. Perfect.
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    Default Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Catchweights are actually the fairest form of boxing you can get. BOTH fighters have to be in unison. One man says he's comfortable making the agreed weight, the other man says he's comfortable making the agreed weight. Harmony.

    You can't have excuses after like - "he was weightdrained," "he's small at the weight," "he's big at the weight"

    The best man wins. Perfect.
    Bullshit. Everyone bitched when Pac made Cotto drop 2 pounds. Sometimes fighters request a catchweight to gain an unfair advantage.

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    Default Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.

    Quote Originally Posted by bzkfn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Catchweights are actually the fairest form of boxing you can get. BOTH fighters have to be in unison. One man says he's comfortable making the agreed weight, the other man says he's comfortable making the agreed weight. Harmony.

    You can't have excuses after like - "he was weightdrained," "he's small at the weight," "he's big at the weight"

    The best man wins. Perfect.
    Bullshit. Everyone bitched when Pac made Cotto drop 2 pounds. Sometimes fighters request a catchweight to gain an unfair advantage.
    Only silly fans bitched AFTER Cotto had been duffed up. Cotto had NO PROBLEM agreeing to the weight.

    Catchweights are requested to make an EVEN playing field. If a fighter AGREES to make the weight, he has ZERO excuses if he loses. Simple as.
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    Default Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.

    Lets make a light jr welter class say 138

    A bare minimum class of 100

    Lets at least try to "catch" up with the number of titles.

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    Default Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.

    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Lets make a light jr welter class say 138

    A bare minimum class of 100

    Lets at least try to "catch" up with the number of titles.
    You don't need a weight-class and certainly do NOT need a title to make a good/fair fight.
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    Default Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.

    How about a wafer thin category. That way the anorexics can join in.

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    Default Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.

    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    How about a wafer thin category. That way the anorexics can join in.
    As a boxing fan, you'd rather see fighters at a weight that gives one an advantage, as long as there's a "title" involved, instead of a genuine 50/50 no excuses needed match-up? Seriously?
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    Default Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.

    What has changed that having weight divisions suddenly isn't good enough? Should we just do away with them altogether? Do away with titles? What would fighters be striving for? The 138-pound championship belt? What has changed between "before" and "now"? What are we to do with the past? So now the past weight division championships are meaningless? All because of the silly catchweights?

    What a load of CRAP.

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    Default Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    How about a wafer thin category. That way the anorexics can join in.
    As a boxing fan, you'd rather see fighters at a weight that gives one an advantage, as long as there's a "title" involved, instead of a genuine 50/50 no excuses needed match-up? Seriously?
    Dunno man. Sounds a little like political correctness runamok So how about the mindset and practice of guys already agreeing to limits and then packing on 10-20 lbs overnight. Do you seriously think that would stop because a guy is 'comfortable'? Where do you draw the line. Every human looks for an advantage. Sometimes its called being the better boxer. If your not comfy, move up.

    If you sign the contract the excuses are null and void. Problem with this 'catchweight' fight in particular is it has zero to do with weight, its a political maneuver. Fighters don't want to lose the payday and Pederson wants to keep his glorified paperweight...for more paydays...after he gets sparked.

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    Default Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.

    You got a fighter (Lamont Peterson) who needed help from a ref to get his title. Fails a drug test. His title which should of been stripped isn't. Every one (including his mother and brother) agree it should of been stripped. Except for the IBF nobody even considers him a champion. Now for some reason muthafukkas who complained about Peterson not being stripped are crying cuz his paper title is not on the line. Are you fucking kidding me? Why does that even matter? The title is worthless anyway. Boxing has a lot problems. One of it's biggest is having stupid muthafukkin fans who either don't know shit about boxing or complain just for the sake of fucking complaining

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    Default Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.

    I don't see a problem with catchweights if the discrepancy between prefight weigh-ins and actual fighting weight is taken into consideration. A few pounds one way or another fight time is no big deal (IMO) but if it translates into a 10 - 20 pound etc advantage on the day of the event than there is an issue. Actual fight day weight can affect both fighters either coming up or moving down. 7 pounds might not seem like much but if it translates to a lot more than that in the ring it is a problem.

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