Challenge to all.........

[JT Rock]

No1 on that list, from what I've seen is or was as complete as Joe. Bet that. Stop buying the hype.

Damn some of those names are comparable but some have me scratching my head.

Are you kidding me ? jesus you are a Joe Calzaghe fan boy.

Ricardo Lopez is the finest technical boxer of all time.

Alexis Arguello threw every punch so perfect.

Miguel Canto the mexican version of Willie Pep.

Floyd Mayweather Jr possibly the best all round fighter ever.

ETC.

Seriously your making me scratch my head if you don't think most of those boxers. Are as good as an all round fighter as Joe Calzaghe, your boxing knowledge is limited if you seriously think that. Or your seriously riding Joe Calzaghe nuts, theres no other way to explain such an absurd comment.

See, this is what it comes to every time. When you run out of things to say and resort to name calling like a slut. We're talking boxing. You defend floyd to the end and I respect that. I have the opinion that Joe is better so respect that.

I'm no lil punk kid so stop the crap. We go too far back for this. Joe has the type of courage that floyd could only dream of. Even when he went down against hopkins and Jones, he was the agressor. That's what separates them IMO. floyd doesn't want to be tested.

That was against 2 fighters with obvious deterioration and well past their best, who had slowed down their punch output considerably...

Why dosent Floyd fight and beat a 43 year old Cotto and a 40 year old Pac
and everyone will kiss his azz too

[Andre]

I keep hearing all this negative stuff about Calzhage and I'm just stunned. The guy is the most complete package of our era.

Tell me where you guys guys have found a better package of Speed, Heart, Ring Smarts, Adjustments, Chin, Conditioning, Skill, Dedication and his fights are clean. No need to cheat when you're this good i guess. (Hopkins)

The easiest question ever on this forum.

Muhamamd Ali
Salvador Sanchez
Ricardo Lopez
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sugar Ray Robinson
Mike McCallum
Larry Holmes
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Pernell Whitaker
Ezzard Charles
Marvin Hagler
Roy Jones Jr
Alexis Arguello
Gene Tunney
Azumah Nelson
Miguel Canto

Should i go on ?

Please do ,lets start again but with current fighters who at the same weight would give him a run .

Mosley
Pac man.
Juan Marquez

Mundine humour break...

Spen Okkte

Ahh now Spen Okkte reminds me of why people dont rate Calzages efforts as all time great.
He is another unbeaten champion, around the same weight class too.
Simular hand picked timing as to when and especially where a match up will occur.

Fans hate that systematic risk /reward mentaliy more than simply If the fighter was in the mix, fighting right in the deep end of the pool and then blatently avoiding fighting someone in paticular.Fans forgive the latter more than the whole career built on it.

[Taeth]

I keep hearing all this negative stuff about Calzhage and I'm just stunned. The guy is the most complete package of our era.

Tell me where you guys guys have found a better package of Speed, Heart, Ring Smarts, Adjustments, Chin, Conditioning, Skill, Dedication and his fights are clean. No need to cheat when you're this good i guess. (Hopkins)

Ray Leonard, Floyd Mayweather, Ali. Joe Calzaghe was/is great, but there were better overall fighters, he didn't have great defensive, he was never a huge puncher nor a guy who punched porperly or else he would have been a huge puncher. His adjustments IMO are overrated, he makes good ones, but not amazing adjustments, its more his stamina. I never seen him do a complete 180 in the ring and totally change what he was doing.

[Julius Rain]

I keep hearing all this negative stuff about Calzhage and I'm just stunned. The guy is the most complete package of our era.

Tell me where you guys guys have found a better package of Speed, Heart, Ring Smarts, Adjustments, Chin, Conditioning, Skill, Dedication and his fights are clean. No need to cheat when you're this good i guess. (Hopkins)

those quality are easy to display when you fight a decade of part time boxer, post prime fighters, overhype contenders, etc.

imo joes only good win was against kessler, and second good fight was the lost to hopkins. actually they gave him the win in the hopkins fight but obviously i thought he lost to a 40 plus year old legend. just imagine if he fought them in hopkins prime. its funny you mentioned chin, and joe was drop but two old legend roy, hopkins. I dont like the way joe fights, i think he slaps a lot and makes himself look foolish with ring antics. I think prime roy jones would destroyed him, and make him look like a b level fighter.

[Mr140]

Oh come on now Rain one of your favorite fighters have beat greats on the slide of there carreer so i dont know why you got get on Calzaghe so hard i mean i dont like him that much and i agree with some of what you said but you cant make a double standard on how you judge fighters.

[Julius Rain]

Oh come on now Rain one of your favorite fighters have beat greats on the slide of there carreer so i dont know why you got get on Calzaghe so hard i mean i dont like him that much and i agree with some of what you said but you cant make a double standard on how you judge fighters.

its so not the same, pac came on the scene blazing not giving a damn who he come across. He was in his early 20s when he began his quest to battle agains the greats in his division. Its not pacs fault some consider them already on the slide, pac did what joe wouldn't do. leave his country early and bring the sport historic battles. Young hungry fighter versus Legendary fighters. pac was 24 i think when he first fought marco and marco was in his late 20s. Granted Marco has lost before but pac shocked the world with a win over featherweight king and p4p top 3-4 at the time. Joe didnt do that did he?

If joe had done what pac did joe would be considered a great by more people right now but thats if he continued to be successful.

If pac did what joe did fight local fighters and call himself world champ for a decade people wouldn't know who pac is right now.

how is that not clear to understand? Clearly pac took a hard route to the top. He had to fight the big names and he did it right away 3 in like a year. I guess if he waited any longer then people would really get on his case about fighting washed up fighters. Well at the time they were still top fighters. People can arge morales case, well some like GAME says eric was coming of a lost everytime he fought pac. well thats true but erics lost came from barrera who pac just recently destroyed, the other from pac himself and the other from raheem at erics first 135 bout. Eric suddenly a low level fighter because he lost to two top fighter and a bigger fighter at 135?

[Mr140]

Well you can also say that the talent was not queite there for him to grab at the right time and it is all not his fault i mean come on cant put the blame on him for Roy and Hopkins are hard to land a deal with also i not saying Barrea was shot but was not prime and for Morles was on the slide coming off the loses i never said they were shot i think Oscar Dela Hoya was done and if you want to agrue that then i dont know what to say to you because i just have to disagree as for Bernard he has been in the top 10 pound for pound for 10 years now if you look at the lists and just came off a career high win over the top middle weight champion that win Calzaghe got over him was equal with Barrea or Marquez then there was Lacy win wich was like a on the same level as Pac win over the light weight title guy forget his name but far form great as well then Kessler win comes into play which is like the Morles win also something Calzaghe can say he has never lost which not many people can say not saying who is better i just saying that there not that far apart form what i see.

[Julius Rain]

Well you can also say that the talent was not queite there for him to grab at the right time and it is all not his fault i mean come on cant put the blame on him for Roy and Hopkins are hard to land a deal with also i not saying Barrea was shot but was not prime and for Morles was on the slide coming off the loses i never said they were shot i think Oscar Dela Hoya was done and if you want to agrue that then i dont know what to say to you because i just have to disagree as for Bernard he has been in the top 10 pound for pound for 10 years now if you look at the lists and just came off a career high win over the top middle weight champion that win Calzaghe got over him was equal with Barrea or Marquez then there was Lacy win wich was like a on the same level as Pac win over the light weight title guy forget his name but far form great as well then Kessler win comes into play which is like the Morles win also something Calzaghe can say he has never lost which not many people can say not saying who is better i just saying that there not that far apart form what i see.

Wrong, joes win over kessler is not equal to pacs k.o wins over eric.

Wrong, Bhop was on and off the p4p list, made it back in after the tarver win.

Wrong, Pacs win over mab and jmm is far above any joes win. Mab was top 3 p4p at the time (#1Roy,#2Oscar,#3Mab) and JMM was top 3 as well(#1Pac,#2Joe,#3JMM) some may even argue JMM was above joe p4p.

No you can't really put the blame on him for roy and bhop years ago, but you can say why the hell didn't he fight at bigger stage. He is already regarded as a GOD in his country but he and his fans what him to be remember as a Great by the world. How can the world consider him such an honor if he hardly fought worldwide or atleast at bigger stage in the U.S.A were real competition are held. end of discussion.