What do you think Mayweather weighed on fight night ?

[Rican]

It's just that Floyd was so secretive about the weight thing from the very beginning, in the contract, during the days leading up to the weigh in, and before the fight. On top of that, he's not man enough to address the issue when legitimately asked after the fight. It's hard to root for Floyd, it really is.

[Taeth]

If Mayweather is a natural welterweight how come he had smaller biceps, chest, etc than Marquez? Marquez had an inch and a half on Mayweather in bicep. All Mayweather had was larger legs.

Look at the post fight interview, Max Kellerman is the same height as Shane Mosley, look how much taller he is than Mayweather. That's how tall the average welterweight is 5'9ish, and Mayweather isn't truely 5'8, He was barely taller than Hatton who is listed at 5'6 1/2.

If you read the ring magazine they put out for the fight, Shane MOsley states when they played basketball that Mayweather couldn't rebound against him because Shane was bigger and stronger.

Call Mayweather a natural WW if you want, but he will be outweighed by a good 5-10 pounds by the likes of Mosley, Margarito, Cotto, Berto, etc. He might not mind fighting at the weight, but if he is a natural welterweight, he is a very, very small welterweight who is smaller than many JWW.

Also the fact that Mayweather doesn't need to worry about what he eats, the fact he doesn't cut weight at all to make 147, and the fact he had to build up his body to fight at WW means that he is a smaller guy moving, and he always will be. He can add more muscle onto his frame, but his frame is still naturally not a WW frame. So yes he will continue to fight at WW, but in terms of size he is way smaller than Cotto or Mosley and you will see that should they ever fight.

Floyd weighed 150 against oscar...and on the scales he was heavier than judah. It's possible that floyd weighed around 155-160 against marquez.

His legs were bigger? that's funny...do you know how much power comes from your legs? Marquez arms are shorter and he put on muscle to jump two weight classes of course the diameter of his bicep will be bulky compared to a leaned natural welter. That's why JMM looked so slow and bulky because he was. Why would the "money" man who admittedly says..."I fight for money, not bragging rights", easily concede 600k if he could have made 144? I'll tell you the same as everyone else has...

It's because now he's a true welter.

This is retarded I will post it later, but I just read the stats on Mayweather body against OScar and against Marquez, he was bigger physically overall when he fought OScar in terms of leg size, chest size, etc, etc when he faced Oscar than he was against Marquez.

Mayweather weighed-in more than Judah at the weigh in, but he weighed 4 pounds less than Judah coming into the ring, Mayweather stayed at 146, and didn't gain a single pound where as Judah weighed in at 145, but came into the ring at 150.

Marquez didn't look that slow, its just Mayweather is so fast, and skilled technically. Marquez was never able to find a rhythm because unlike Pacquiao or Mosley Mayweather excels in cerebral fights. Marquez didn't speed up the fight so Mayweather being so much faster, and so much better technically/defensively it was Marquez that couldn't get off at all effectively. Also the length of the arm has NOTHING to do with the actual diameter of the arm, it justs appear thicker because its a shorter arm, in actuality that is a load.

I will find Mayweather stats in terms of his body against Baldomir also, and I guarantee he won't be bigger, and he weighed 149 agianst Carlos.

The most Mayweather could have been was 152.

Look at Mosley after the fight when he comes into the ring, look how much taller than Mayweather he is, and he's way more chiseled, and Mosley looked thinner than Cotto who is another guy who is way thicker than Mayweather, and roughly the same height. I am not justifying what Mayweather did in terms of the weigh-in, but he didn't look a lot bigger than Marquez, he just looked like a taller man, fighting a shorter man. I mean look how big Mosley was compared to OScar and look how big Mayweather was, that alone should tell you how much bigger guys like MOsley are than PBF.

It doesn't even matter because in the next fight if its against MOsley or Cotto Mayweather will have no problem weighing in for the fight and he will be 10 pounds lighter, and look way smaller, and he will have absolutely no problems whatsoever with it. Marquez doesn't ahve the type of style that works if you move up too far, Pacquiao and Mayweather do, they will always be very small welterweights, but their skills and more importantly(in this case) speed is what sets them apart.

[JonesJrMayweather]

If Mayweather is a natural welterweight how come he had smaller biceps, chest, etc than Marquez? Marquez had an inch and a half on Mayweather in bicep. All Mayweather had was larger legs.

Look at the post fight interview, Max Kellerman is the same height as Shane Mosley, look how much taller he is than Mayweather. That's how tall the average welterweight is 5'9ish, and Mayweather isn't truely 5'8, He was barely taller than Hatton who is listed at 5'6 1/2.

If you read the ring magazine they put out for the fight, Shane MOsley states when they played basketball that Mayweather couldn't rebound against him because Shane was bigger and stronger.

Call Mayweather a natural WW if you want, but he will be outweighed by a good 5-10 pounds by the likes of Mosley, Margarito, Cotto, Berto, etc. He might not mind fighting at the weight, but if he is a natural welterweight, he is a very, very small welterweight who is smaller than many JWW.

Also the fact that Mayweather doesn't need to worry about what he eats, the fact he doesn't cut weight at all to make 147, and the fact he had to build up his body to fight at WW means that he is a smaller guy moving, and he always will be. He can add more muscle onto his frame, but his frame is still naturally not a WW frame. So yes he will continue to fight at WW, but in terms of size he is way smaller than Cotto or Mosley and you will see that should they ever fight.

Floyd weighed 150 against oscar...and on the scales he was heavier than judah. It's possible that floyd weighed around 155-160 against marquez.

His legs were bigger? that's funny...do you know how much power comes from your legs? Marquez arms are shorter and he put on muscle to jump two weight classes of course the diameter of his bicep will be bulky compared to a leaned natural welter. That's why JMM looked so slow and bulky because he was. Why would the "money" man who admittedly says..."I fight for money, not bragging rights", easily concede 600k if he could have made 144? I'll tell you the same as everyone else has...

It's because now he's a true welter.

This is retarded I will post it later, but I just read the stats on Mayweather body against OScar and against Marquez, he was bigger physically overall when he fought OScar in terms of leg size, chest size, etc, etc when he faced Oscar than he was against Marquez.

Mayweather weighed-in more than Judah at the weigh in, but he weighed 4 pounds less than Judah coming into the ring, Mayweather stayed at 146, and didn't gain a single pound where as Judah weighed in at 145, but came into the ring at 150.

Marquez didn't look that slow, its just Mayweather is so fast, and skilled technically. Marquez was never able to find a rhythm because unlike Pacquiao or Mosley Mayweather excels in cerebral fights. Marquez didn't speed up the fight so Mayweather being so much faster, and so much better technically/defensively it was Marquez that couldn't get off at all effectively. Also the length of the arm has NOTHING to do with the actual diameter of the arm, it justs appear thicker because its a shorter arm, in actuality that is a load.

I will find Mayweather stats in terms of his body against Baldomir also, and I guarantee he won't be bigger, and he weighed 149 agianst Carlos.

The most Mayweather could have been was 152.

Look at Mosley after the fight when he comes into the ring, look how much taller than Mayweather he is, and he's way more chiseled, and Mosley looked thinner than Cotto who is another guy who is way thicker than Mayweather, and roughly the same height. I am not justifying what Mayweather did in terms of the weigh-in, but he didn't look a lot bigger than Marquez, he just looked like a taller man, fighting a shorter man. I mean look how big Mosley was compared to OScar and look how big Mayweather was, that alone should tell you how much bigger guys like MOsley are than PBF.

It doesn't even matter because in the next fight if its against MOsley or Cotto Mayweather will have no problem weighing in for the fight and he will be 10 pounds lighter, and look way smaller, and he will have absolutely no problems whatsoever with it. Marquez doesn't ahve the type of style that works if you move up too far, Pacquiao and Mayweather do, they will always be very small welterweights, but their skills and more importantly(in this case) speed is what sets them apart.

No one said it "appears" i said of course it will be bigger, because he has shorter arms and bulked up two weight classes, contrast that to a natural 147, taller, longer, leaner pbf, yeah his arms are going to be thicker. But that doesn't mean he's bigger than floyd.

And your style has nothing to do with how far you can move up, it's how effective you can be while adding weight to a naturally smaller frame i.e. height... this is why shane mosely isn't as effective at 154 as he is at 147..because at 154 he's toooooo bulky so his combination punching suffers in gaining extra muscle. The key is to maximize one's physical ability. Marquez's is probably around 130..Floyd clearly by not being able to make 144, this makes him a full fledged welter.

[Wayne]

Does anyone think Marquez stood a chance even if Mayweather weighed 135lbs?

[Taeth]

Floyd weighed 150 against oscar...and on the scales he was heavier than judah. It's possible that floyd weighed around 155-160 against marquez.

His legs were bigger? that's funny...do you know how much power comes from your legs? Marquez arms are shorter and he put on muscle to jump two weight classes of course the diameter of his bicep will be bulky compared to a leaned natural welter. That's why JMM looked so slow and bulky because he was. Why would the "money" man who admittedly says..."I fight for money, not bragging rights", easily concede 600k if he could have made 144? I'll tell you the same as everyone else has...

It's because now he's a true welter.

This is retarded I will post it later, but I just read the stats on Mayweather body against OScar and against Marquez, he was bigger physically overall when he fought OScar in terms of leg size, chest size, etc, etc when he faced Oscar than he was against Marquez.

Mayweather weighed-in more than Judah at the weigh in, but he weighed 4 pounds less than Judah coming into the ring, Mayweather stayed at 146, and didn't gain a single pound where as Judah weighed in at 145, but came into the ring at 150.

Marquez didn't look that slow, its just Mayweather is so fast, and skilled technically. Marquez was never able to find a rhythm because unlike Pacquiao or Mosley Mayweather excels in cerebral fights. Marquez didn't speed up the fight so Mayweather being so much faster, and so much better technically/defensively it was Marquez that couldn't get off at all effectively. Also the length of the arm has NOTHING to do with the actual diameter of the arm, it justs appear thicker because its a shorter arm, in actuality that is a load.

I will find Mayweather stats in terms of his body against Baldomir also, and I guarantee he won't be bigger, and he weighed 149 agianst Carlos.

The most Mayweather could have been was 152.

Look at Mosley after the fight when he comes into the ring, look how much taller than Mayweather he is, and he's way more chiseled, and Mosley looked thinner than Cotto who is another guy who is way thicker than Mayweather, and roughly the same height. I am not justifying what Mayweather did in terms of the weigh-in, but he didn't look a lot bigger than Marquez, he just looked like a taller man, fighting a shorter man. I mean look how big Mosley was compared to OScar and look how big Mayweather was, that alone should tell you how much bigger guys like MOsley are than PBF.

It doesn't even matter because in the next fight if its against MOsley or Cotto Mayweather will have no problem weighing in for the fight and he will be 10 pounds lighter, and look way smaller, and he will have absolutely no problems whatsoever with it. Marquez doesn't ahve the type of style that works if you move up too far, Pacquiao and Mayweather do, they will always be very small welterweights, but their skills and more importantly(in this case) speed is what sets them apart.

No one said it "appears" i said of course it will be bigger, because he has shorter arms and bulked up two weight classes, contrast that to a natural 147, taller, longer, leaner pbf, yeah his arms are going to be thicker. But that doesn't mean he's bigger than floyd.

And your style has nothing to do with how far you can move up, it's how effective you can be while adding weight to a naturally smaller frame i.e. height... this is why shane mosely isn't as effective at 154 as he is at 147..because at 154 he's toooooo bulky so his combination punching suffers in gaining extra muscle. The key is to maximize one's physical ability. Marquez's is probably around 130..Floyd clearly by not being able to make 144, this makes him a full fledged welter.

Are you kidding me? Style has way more to do with how effective you are at moving up.

Shane wasn't too bulky, just look at his speed he still had. It was still incredible. He just let the strength increase get to his head too much, and stopped throwing combinations and doing the things that made him a great lightweight. He was never a pure boxer so when he finally matched guys who could compete with him physically, his technical skills weren't good enough. Part of being a great fighter is adapting, and he couldn't adapt against Winky Wright or Vernon Forest or even largely to Cotto who would have beaten him decisively if Cotto was more durable and if Mosley was less of a beast.

For all Mosley speed and athletic ability, he doesn't have the boxing brain to fully capatilize on his skills. He loads up too much on punches which against anyone that isn't Margarito makes him miss way more often than he should. He does have great rhythm, thats why Cotto and Wright hit him so easily. Shane for the most part makes up for these things with a tremendous heart, great strenght, greater speed, and an even better chin. Also its not that he has no skill, he just didn't develop the right skills that are needed for a fighter to face bigger opponents, Shane needs to impose his will on opponents.

People say I am the biggest fan of athletic ability, but I am saying right here that athletic ability isn't what makes a fighter great or what makes a fighter move up in weights effectively. Pacquiao with all his speed wouldn't have even been an effective 130 pounder had his style and not his body changed. He has gradually transformed into more and more of a boxer with each passing fight, and that is because he is staying smaller, he isn't bulking up(he's pretty much the same size he was when he fought Diaz and Marquez).

Look at Henry Armstrong, he didn't physically move up in weight, but he did win the belt in three different divisions. Leonard wasn't anywhere near as big as Hagler, nor was Duran against Barkley or Roy JOnes Jr against Ruiz. Dempsey against Willard. Hell even look at Holyfield/Tyson physically Tyson should have eaten Holyfield alive, but thats not what happened.

...damnit this is jonesjrmayweather who wrote this, I thought I was debating with somebody who knew what they were talking about, what a waste of my time.

[JonesJrMayweather]

This is retarded I will post it later, but I just read the stats on Mayweather body against OScar and against Marquez, he was bigger physically overall when he fought OScar in terms of leg size, chest size, etc, etc when he faced Oscar than he was against Marquez.

Mayweather weighed-in more than Judah at the weigh in, but he weighed 4 pounds less than Judah coming into the ring, Mayweather stayed at 146, and didn't gain a single pound where as Judah weighed in at 145, but came into the ring at 150.

Marquez didn't look that slow, its just Mayweather is so fast, and skilled technically. Marquez was never able to find a rhythm because unlike Pacquiao or Mosley Mayweather excels in cerebral fights. Marquez didn't speed up the fight so Mayweather being so much faster, and so much better technically/defensively it was Marquez that couldn't get off at all effectively. Also the length of the arm has NOTHING to do with the actual diameter of the arm, it justs appear thicker because its a shorter arm, in actuality that is a load.

I will find Mayweather stats in terms of his body against Baldomir also, and I guarantee he won't be bigger, and he weighed 149 agianst Carlos.

The most Mayweather could have been was 152.

Look at Mosley after the fight when he comes into the ring, look how much taller than Mayweather he is, and he's way more chiseled, and Mosley looked thinner than Cotto who is another guy who is way thicker than Mayweather, and roughly the same height. I am not justifying what Mayweather did in terms of the weigh-in, but he didn't look a lot bigger than Marquez, he just looked like a taller man, fighting a shorter man. I mean look how big Mosley was compared to OScar and look how big Mayweather was, that alone should tell you how much bigger guys like MOsley are than PBF.

It doesn't even matter because in the next fight if its against MOsley or Cotto Mayweather will have no problem weighing in for the fight and he will be 10 pounds lighter, and look way smaller, and he will have absolutely no problems whatsoever with it. Marquez doesn't ahve the type of style that works if you move up too far, Pacquiao and Mayweather do, they will always be very small welterweights, but their skills and more importantly(in this case) speed is what sets them apart.

No one said it "appears" i said of course it will be bigger, because he has shorter arms and bulked up two weight classes, contrast that to a natural 147, taller, longer, leaner pbf, yeah his arms are going to be thicker. But that doesn't mean he's bigger than floyd.

And your style has nothing to do with how far you can move up, it's how effective you can be while adding weight to a naturally smaller frame i.e. height... this is why shane mosely isn't as effective at 154 as he is at 147..because at 154 he's toooooo bulky so his combination punching suffers in gaining extra muscle. The key is to maximize one's physical ability. Marquez's is probably around 130..Floyd clearly by not being able to make 144, this makes him a full fledged welter.

Are you kidding me? Style has way more to do with how effective you are at moving up.

Shane wasn't too bulky, just look at his speed he still had. It was still incredible. He just let the strength increase get to his head too much, and stopped throwing combinations and doing the things that made him a great lightweight. He was never a pure boxer so when he finally matched guys who could compete with him physically, his technical skills weren't good enough. Part of being a great fighter is adapting, and he couldn't adapt against Winky Wright or Vernon Forest or even largely to Cotto who would have beaten him decisively if Cotto was more durable and if Mosley was less of a beast.

For all Mosley speed and athletic ability, he doesn't have the boxing brain to fully capatilize on his skills. He loads up too much on punches which against anyone that isn't Margarito makes him miss way more often than he should. He does have great rhythm, thats why Cotto and Wright hit him so easily. Shane for the most part makes up for these things with a tremendous heart, great strenght, greater speed, and an even better chin. Also its not that he has no skill, he just didn't develop the right skills that are needed for a fighter to face bigger opponents, Shane needs to impose his will on opponents.

People say I am the biggest fan of athletic ability, but I am saying right here that athletic ability isn't what makes a fighter great or what makes a fighter move up in weights effectively. Pacquiao with all his speed wouldn't have even been an effective 130 pounder had his style and not his body changed. He has gradually transformed into more and more of a boxer with each passing fight, and that is because he is staying smaller, he isn't bulking up(he's pretty much the same size he was when he fought Diaz and Marquez).

Look at Henry Armstrong, he didn't physically move up in weight, but he did win the belt in three different divisions. Leonard wasn't anywhere near as big as Hagler, nor was Duran against Barkley or Roy JOnes Jr against Ruiz. Dempsey against Willard. Hell even look at Holyfield/Tyson physically Tyson should have eaten Holyfield alive, but thats not what happened.

...damnit this is jonesjrmayweather who wrote this, I thought I was debating with somebody who knew what they were talking about, what a waste of my time.

Are you dumb? You'd have to be... Floyd has a great style so did SRR and SRL...tell me this: how far would floyd's style get him if he were thrown into the ring with Roy Jones at LHW? No too far..esp if he had to pack on 30 pounds of muscle, this would limit his speed and movement. do you know why floyd can't go that high and be effective? Because his height won't allow it. Not enough frame to lean out that much weight. But its clear to me that you know jack about exercise physiology.

[Taeth]

Mayweather fought COrrales who was basically a welterweight when they fought, and Mayweather was 136 coming into the ring. You are talking about fighting guys 40-50 pounds heavier, that is a totally different ball game. It wouldn't be because Mayweather would lose so much speed, Duran didn't. It would be because he is naturally way too small for Roy Jones Jr because ROy JOnes Jr himself is so fast, so skilled, etc. Put Floyd in with a guy like Kelly Pavlik it might be different. Its not the ability to put on muscle, but the right style to deal with bigger fighters that matter. As for the physiology lesson, maybe you should start reading up on it. Muscle doesn't slow you down, and it doesn't make you lose flexibility unless you are a body builder. People have different skeletal structures that allow their body to put on a certain amount of muscle and still function effectively. Mayweather has reached his bodies peak, but I guarantee he could beat the shit out of plenty of bigger guys. If people don't remember how well Cory Spinks did against Jermain Taylor then they should watch that fight again, but IMO he landed more than Jermain, and it was because he used his speed and boxing skills to nullify a lot of Jermain's advantages. Mayweather has done that his whole career Corrales, Castillo, Baldomir, Gatti, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Ndou all weighed 10+ pounds more than Mayweather coming into the ring and there was only one close fight in all those.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Mayweather fought COrrales who was basically a welterweight when they fought, and Mayweather was 136 coming into the ring. You are talking about fighting guys 40-50 pounds heavier, that is a totally different ball game. It wouldn't be because Mayweather would lose so much speed, Duran didn't. It would be because he is naturally way too small for Roy Jones Jr because ROy JOnes Jr himself is so fast, so skilled, etc. Put Floyd in with a guy like Kelly Pavlik it might be different. Its not the ability to put on muscle, but the right style to deal with bigger fighters that matter. As for the physiology lesson, maybe you should start reading up on it. Muscle doesn't slow you down, and it doesn't make you lose flexibility unless you are a body builder. People have different skeletal structures that allow their body to put on a certain amount of muscle and still function effectively. Mayweather has reached his bodies peak, but I guarantee he could beat the shit out of plenty of bigger guys. If people don't remember how well Cory Spinks did against Jermain Taylor then they should watch that fight again, but IMO he landed more than Jermain, and it was because he used his speed and boxing skills to nullify a lot of Jermain's advantages. Mayweather has done that his whole career Corrales, Castillo, Baldomir, Gatti, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Ndou all weighed 10+ pounds more than Mayweather coming into the ring and there was only one close fight in all those.

no thirty pounds of lean muscle won't slow you down, 30 pounds of bulk will.

[JazMerkin]

Sorry to bump this thread which just got lost in 2 posters playing the 'who knows more about the circumference of Floyd's inner thigh' game, but I thought rather than post ANOTHER new thread about Mayweather, I'd post this up here.

It's basically Schaeffer explaining the ins & outs of the promotional contract on the weight & why Ellerbe & Haymon kept saying it was a welterweight fight.

Insider Notebook: Mayweather-Mosley Goal, Vazquez Plan - Boxing News

Also seems Berto-Mosley is close, which I'd be damn excited about, especially if the winner fought the Mayweather-Pac/Cotto winner. Hopefully this also manages to leave Margarito out in the cold & unable to make any major fights for himself. It's the least he deserves.

Oh & Izzy-Rafa IV seems close. Maybe I should have made a new thread

[Spicoli]

Think Mosley is still waaay to much for Berto.Great crossroads match and they need to just put Andre in deep and see what happens.I think they'll try to slide Tony in the mix.Rafa and Izzy should just let it be...move on with whats left and let that triology stand as one of the best ever.Yep... should have bumped previous threads

[killersheep]

Sorry to bump this thread which just got lost in 2 posters playing the 'who knows more about the circumference of Floyd's inner thigh' game, but I thought rather than post ANOTHER new thread about Mayweather, I'd post this up here.

It's basically Schaeffer explaining the ins & outs of the promotional contract on the weight & why Ellerbe & Haymon kept saying it was a welterweight fight.

Insider Notebook: Mayweather-Mosley Goal, Vazquez Plan - Boxing News

Also seems Berto-Mosley is close, which I'd be damn excited about, especially if the winner fought the Mayweather-Pac/Cotto winner. Hopefully this also manages to leave Margarito out in the cold & unable to make any major fights for himself. It's the least he deserves.

Oh & Izzy-Rafa IV seems close. Maybe I should have made a new thread

Thanks for the update, I was wondering if Mosley was gonna get back in the ring again any time soon. I know he only wants mega fights, but man gotta keep that ring rust off, between him and Hopkins they've only had 2 fights in the last year.