The definitive Mayweather/Pac article

[Greig]

Hauser excels himself yet again. The man tells it like it is


Boxing - Thomas Hauser - Mayweather-Pacquiao, PEDs, and Boxing


"Golden Boy can take the lead on the issue of PEDs in boxing and become a beacon of integrity by requiring its fighters to submit to Olympic-style drug testing before each major fight. And in order to fight on a Golden Boy card (remember; Golden Boy has a lot of dates on HBO), it could require opponents to do the same.

In fact, Golden Boy could start by testing Shane Mosley to protect Shane from unknowingly using PEDs again. It’s interesting how Shane looked very old when he fought Ricardo Mayorga in 2008 and then improved with age when he fought Antonio Margarito in 2009.

And speaking of age; let’s have a round of applause for another Golden Boy fighter; Bernard Hopkins. People talk a lot about what great shape Bernard is in and how remarkable it is that a fighter well into his forties can perform the way he does.

I consider Hopkins a great fighter. Other fighters have moved up in weight and excelled in the manner of Manny Pacquiao. But there is no precedent for a fighter performing as agelessly as Bernard has. I’m aware of no proof whatsoever that Hopkins has used illegal performance enhancing drugs at any time in his career. Of course, to my knowledge, Bernard hasn’t undergone USADA testing.

WBA heavyweight champion David Haye is another Golden Boy fighter. David was a cruiserweight less than two years ago. His body has filled out nicely since then. Very nicely. Now Haye wants to fight Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko. Vitali tested positive for a banned substance while training for the 1996 Olympics and was removed from the Ukrainian national team. He later acknowledged using steroids, saying that he had done so after aggravating an old leg injury previously sustained during a kick-boxing bout. Wladimir’s body is even more imposing than Vitali’s.

If Haye fights one of the Klitschko brothers, a Golden Boy-implemented USADA-like testing plan would assure the world that everything is on the up and up.

Will Golden Boy take the lead in across-the-board PED testing?

My guess is that there’s a better chance of Tiger Woods becoming Pope."

[TheBranMan]

As I said on the other thread: it's merely a spin article to make everything rosy concerning allegations against Pacquiao. It's clears up nothing. Ariza says Pacquiao's just superstitious (surprise, surprise... I wait I thought he was scarred of needles ), Nevada State Athletic Commission doctors state not much is known about steroids... and goes on to talk about how Pacquiao is boxing's golden child while Mayweather is fights nobody. Discredits De la Hoya's opinion regarding his encouragement for Manny to take the tests.... etc, etc, etc. An article that pretends to have no bias involved but it's obviously there. A long read too, I won't recommend it.

[Jimmy G-Force]

Hauser excels himself yet again. The man tells it like it is


Boxing - Thomas Hauser - Mayweather-Pacquiao, PEDs, and Boxing


"Golden Boy can take the lead on the issue of PEDs in boxing and become a beacon of integrity by requiring its fighters to submit to Olympic-style drug testing before each major fight. And in order to fight on a Golden Boy card (remember; Golden Boy has a lot of dates on HBO), it could require opponents to do the same.

In fact, Golden Boy could start by testing Shane Mosley to protect Shane from unknowingly using PEDs again. It’s interesting how Shane looked very old when he fought Ricardo Mayorga in 2008 and then improved with age when he fought Antonio Margarito in 2009.

And speaking of age; let’s have a round of applause for another Golden Boy fighter; Bernard Hopkins. People talk a lot about what great shape Bernard is in and how remarkable it is that a fighter well into his forties can perform the way he does.

I consider Hopkins a great fighter. Other fighters have moved up in weight and excelled in the manner of Manny Pacquiao. But there is no precedent for a fighter performing as agelessly as Bernard has. I’m aware of no proof whatsoever that Hopkins has used illegal performance enhancing drugs at any time in his career. Of course, to my knowledge, Bernard hasn’t undergone USADA testing.

WBA heavyweight champion David Haye is another Golden Boy fighter. David was a cruiserweight less than two years ago. His body has filled out nicely since then. Very nicely. Now Haye wants to fight Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko. Vitali tested positive for a banned substance while training for the 1996 Olympics and was removed from the Ukrainian national team. He later acknowledged using steroids, saying that he had done so after aggravating an old leg injury previously sustained during a kick-boxing bout. Wladimir’s body is even more imposing than Vitali’s.

If Haye fights one of the Klitschko brothers, a Golden Boy-implemented USADA-like testing plan would assure the world that everything is on the up and up.

Will Golden Boy take the lead in across-the-board PED testing?

My guess is that there’s a better chance of Tiger Woods becoming Pope."

Great article that, long, but well worth the read. Unless of course your on the 'Pacman is a definate cheat, and I know because I'm an obsessed internet bumboy' Bandwagon.

[Fenster]

Great article.

Personally I think Manny should be able to accept any drug test. But that really highlights the hypocrisy of Golden Boy and just what Mayweather's motives were for causing such a stink. Did he really want the fight?

[JJson]

I disagree with the premise laid down in the peace. It sounds balanced, but it is in keeping with the trend of spots writers who hate PBF to the extent that they would like to see him risk his life and well being in order to sate their thirst for him to get his comeuppance. If Pacman had made the demand for hard testing, the opinions and views of these writers would be the complete reverse of what they are are today.

There is a biblical saying that goes, "Thou mayest conceal they sin by cunning art, but consciennce sits a silent witness in thine heart, that will distrub thy rest, they peace undo, because it is a judge, jury, and a prison too". The sports writers that are prepared to sacrfice the uplifting of the standard in drug testing in boxing to their deep and visceral craving to see Floyd Mayweather get beat up by any means necessary, have already entered that prison. I will not allow them to insult my intelligence with their circumlocutory ramblings. Floyd Mayweather asked Manny to join him in exposing themselves to a higher standard of testing before a fight. Manny said no way. How the hell, under those circumstances can Mayweather be blamed for the fight not coming off?

When USADA accused Marion Jones of using PEDs, she filed a lawsuit against them. The sport writers did not condemn USADA for depriving fans of seeing a good race. Should the US be accused of endangering global harmony and interaction by demanding higher democratic standards from nations prior to their involvement in some multinational activities? The US took that position with regard to the UN security council membership. You know what was the reaction of some of her critics? They responded that the US should demand those changes from some of her trade pardners if she really cared about democracy. Sounds familiar?

[zbolt]

think about this, under the present normal boxing commission rules, the floyd-pacquiao could have already been made then why it's not being made?

[Greig]

I think the article is balanced - yes it may make Mayweather/Schaffer/Oscar look bad, but I don't think Manny comes out of it looking great either.

Most shocking for me seems to be just how rife the problem is.

The last few paragraphs are very interesting - seems to be he's been tipped off that Oscar has tested positive to something and has his NSAC records buried somewhere...


To be honest, it's a great article - but the whole sport of boxing comes out of it smelling a bit off.

To me, it merely highlights the blatant double standards at work here - and I think it shows that Floyd did not want the fight. Ellerbee and Mayweather used Golden Boy as puppets here - it's obvious that Schafer has no problem with the drug testing protocols as they are ("The commission testing is fine..." in relation to the Mosley fight) but now they went out on a limb for Mayweather and now there is no going back...


But yeah, how come Berto isn't asking Shane be tested? How come Ornelas didn't make Hopkins give blood the day before their fight? Valuev should have asked for Haye to give blood...?

Golden Boy is becoming the preeminent force in boxing today. I never thought I'd say this because I was all infavour of them when they started, but we need Top Rank and Main Events and others to stay around because Golden Boy are becoming a little bit like the Empire in Star Wars. Just not sure whether Schafer or Oscar is the Emperor, and which one is Vader yet...

[miron_lang]

Great article. All claims are backed by solid data .

Al Berstein and Thomas Hauser are two great boxing Journalist

[Zilla]

I think the article is balanced - yes it may make Mayweather/Schaffer/Oscar look bad, but I don't think Manny comes out of it looking great either.

Most shocking for me seems to be just how rife the problem is.

The last few paragraphs are very interesting - seems to be he's been tipped off that Oscar has tested positive to something and has his NSAC records buried somewhere...


To be honest, it's a great article - but the whole sport of boxing comes out of it smelling a bit off.

To me, it merely highlights the blatant double standards at work here - and I think it shows that Floyd did not want the fight. Ellerbee and Mayweather used Golden Boy as puppets here - it's obvious that Schafer has no problem with the drug testing protocols as they are ("The commission testing is fine..." in relation to the Mosley fight) but now they went out on a limb for Mayweather and now there is no going back...


But yeah, how come Berto isn't asking Shane be tested? How come Ornelas didn't make Hopkins give blood the day before their fight? Valuev should have asked for Haye to give blood...?

Golden Boy is becoming the preeminent force in boxing today. I never thought I'd say this because I was all infavour of them when they started, but we need Top Rank and Main Events and others to stay around because Golden Boy are becoming a little bit like the Empire in Star Wars. Just not sure whether Schafer or Oscar is the Emperor, and which one is Vader yet...

I have to take issue with the notion that Mayweather didn't want the fight. I think any boxer who doesn't want a fight simply manages not to say anything about it or how he wants to fight some other opponent first. The fact they both entered into negotiations says to me they wanted the fight, but simply couldn't agree to terms. How would Mayweather know that Manny wouldn't agree to testing? And why would he make concessions so far as when testing would occur and who would be conducting it? Floyd could have simply stayed retired or fight any number of people to earn a nice amount of cash if he had no desire to fight Pacquiao.

[Hornfinger]

Hauser excels himself yet again. The man tells it like it is


Boxing - Thomas Hauser - Mayweather-Pacquiao, PEDs, and Boxing


"Golden Boy can take the lead on the issue of PEDs in boxing and become a beacon of integrity by requiring its fighters to submit to Olympic-style drug testing before each major fight. And in order to fight on a Golden Boy card (remember; Golden Boy has a lot of dates on HBO), it could require opponents to do the same.

In fact, Golden Boy could start by testing Shane Mosley to protect Shane from unknowingly using PEDs again. It’s interesting how Shane looked very old when he fought Ricardo Mayorga in 2008 and then improved with age when he fought Antonio Margarito in 2009.

And speaking of age; let’s have a round of applause for another Golden Boy fighter; Bernard Hopkins. People talk a lot about what great shape Bernard is in and how remarkable it is that a fighter well into his forties can perform the way he does.

I consider Hopkins a great fighter. Other fighters have moved up in weight and excelled in the manner of Manny Pacquiao. But there is no precedent for a fighter performing as agelessly as Bernard has. I’m aware of no proof whatsoever that Hopkins has used illegal performance enhancing drugs at any time in his career. Of course, to my knowledge, Bernard hasn’t undergone USADA testing.

WBA heavyweight champion David Haye is another Golden Boy fighter. David was a cruiserweight less than two years ago. His body has filled out nicely since then. Very nicely. Now Haye wants to fight Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko. Vitali tested positive for a banned substance while training for the 1996 Olympics and was removed from the Ukrainian national team. He later acknowledged using steroids, saying that he had done so after aggravating an old leg injury previously sustained during a kick-boxing bout. Wladimir’s body is even more imposing than Vitali’s.

If Haye fights one of the Klitschko brothers, a Golden Boy-implemented USADA-like testing plan would assure the world that everything is on the up and up.

Will Golden Boy take the lead in across-the-board PED testing?

My guess is that there’s a better chance of Tiger Woods becoming Pope."

Crap article, biased, uneducated (I won't go into that I'll be typing all day) and from an obvious Pac Fan

This guy should go and work for Fox news.

If ANY athlete (Hopkins, Haye, klitscho, Pacquiao, blah blah blah) has nothing to hide they won't mind doing a test. In fact in sport that i've been involved in the best athletes jumped at the chance to do a test and prove they were clean....

I don't care who the fighter is. If they refuse testing (and to my knowledge, Haye, Klitscho, Hopkins etel have not publicly refused testing) then they look suspisious. And if you fail a test then harsh penalties should be served.

It's clear as day for me with no gray area.

[amat]

Yeah to me it is a weak defense to say that there is no reason to say that Pac is being unfairly singled out and therefore he shouldn't take the test. Hopkins, Haye, those guys haven't refused tests to my knowledge. As an athlete, the onus is on you to be as transparent as possible about testing and if not you run the risk of incriminating yourself. I don't know either way but the doubt is there and that's Pacquiao's fault.

[Hornfinger]

Yeah to me it is a weak defense to say that there is no reason to say that Pac is being unfairly singled out and therefore he shouldn't take the test. Hopkins, Haye, those guys haven't refused tests to my knowledge. As an athlete, the onus is on you to be as transparent as possible about testing and if not you run the risk of incriminating yourself. I don't know either way but the doubt is there and that's Pacquiao's fault.

We definately see this the same way my friend.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

The drug testing demand of Floyd has been a public relations disaster for both Team Mayweather & Team Pacquiao. They both could have handled it differently. Team Mayweather could have come up with the statement that Floyd wants blood drug testing to be implemented in any of his future fights & would insist that the Nevada Boxing Commission come up with the terms of such blood test (so that it does not appear like he is dictating the terms of such drug test) or Team Pacquiao comes out with a statement that they're agreeable to blood drug testing but would want the Commission to dictate the terms & they would abide by such terms (so that it doesn't appear like Manny is hiding something & it would not allow Floyd to dictate the terms) . This puts the ball in the hands of the Commisssion. Public outcry & Commissions desire to have the megafight in their city would have made them act on those request.

[miron_lang]

The drug testing demand of Floyd has been a public relations disaster for both Team Mayweather & Team Pacquiao. They both could have handled it differently. Team Mayweather could have come up with the statement that Floyd wants blood drug testing to be implemented in any of his future fights & would insist that the Nevada Boxing Commission come up with the terms of such blood test (so that it does not appear like he is dictating the terms of such drug test) or Team Pacquiao comes out with a statement that they're agreeable to blood drug testing but would want the Commission to dictate the terms & they would abide by such terms (so that it doesn't appear like Manny is hiding something & it would not allow Floyd to dictate the terms) . This puts the ball in the hands of the Commisssion. Public outcry & Commissions desire to have the megafight in their city would have made them act on those request.

anyone who has common sense must be thinking the same.

[killersheep]

Hauser excels himself yet again. The man tells it like it is


Boxing - Thomas Hauser - Mayweather-Pacquiao, PEDs, and Boxing


"Golden Boy can take the lead on the issue of PEDs in boxing and become a beacon of integrity by requiring its fighters to submit to Olympic-style drug testing before each major fight. And in order to fight on a Golden Boy card (remember; Golden Boy has a lot of dates on HBO), it could require opponents to do the same.

In fact, Golden Boy could start by testing Shane Mosley to protect Shane from unknowingly using PEDs again. It’s interesting how Shane looked very old when he fought Ricardo Mayorga in 2008 and then improved with age when he fought Antonio Margarito in 2009.

And speaking of age; let’s have a round of applause for another Golden Boy fighter; Bernard Hopkins. People talk a lot about what great shape Bernard is in and how remarkable it is that a fighter well into his forties can perform the way he does.

I consider Hopkins a great fighter. Other fighters have moved up in weight and excelled in the manner of Manny Pacquiao. But there is no precedent for a fighter performing as agelessly as Bernard has. I’m aware of no proof whatsoever that Hopkins has used illegal performance enhancing drugs at any time in his career. Of course, to my knowledge, Bernard hasn’t undergone USADA testing.

WBA heavyweight champion David Haye is another Golden Boy fighter. David was a cruiserweight less than two years ago. His body has filled out nicely since then. Very nicely. Now Haye wants to fight Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko. Vitali tested positive for a banned substance while training for the 1996 Olympics and was removed from the Ukrainian national team. He later acknowledged using steroids, saying that he had done so after aggravating an old leg injury previously sustained during a kick-boxing bout. Wladimir’s body is even more imposing than Vitali’s.

If Haye fights one of the Klitschko brothers, a Golden Boy-implemented USADA-like testing plan would assure the world that everything is on the up and up.

Will Golden Boy take the lead in across-the-board PED testing?

My guess is that there’s a better chance of Tiger Woods becoming Pope."

Ok so I guess we should now look at where all this started. Mosley has no problem taking a random test, as a matter of fact a MORE strict test than the 14 day cut-off Mayweather's final negotiation was with Pacquiao. Mayweather (regardless of why) is going to require this of all future opponents.