Where is this secret footage that shows Floyd being faster then Manny?

[ER-101]

We've seen Manny throw lots of fast combos, faster than we've seen from Floyd but that's simply down to styles, Floyd doesn't use them. The only thing we can truly compare is single punches and Floyd is much quicker than those.

Floyd doesn't dig his toes in and throw fast flurries because he likes to keep guys turning so that the can't get set and they can't counter him effectively.

Even if Manny's combos are quicker - it's not likely to count for anything, like I said Floyd doesn't throw them because it would mean having to set up shop and stick with it, he likes to move... the likelihood in my mind is that either Manny try to throw a quick combo and BANG countered whilst Mayweather moves off him and changes the angle or Floyd moves off him and leaves him with nothing but air to hit and at a bad angle to defend himself.

Even the fasted fighters cannot throw a fast sustained combo with anything on it all (ie: meaningless) without being relatively set, the ring movement available to you is going to be limited during the flurry.

It's much easier to throw fast combos against a slow clottey who offers at times almost literally no movement and very few counters, a drained Hoya and Ricky Hatton following a 'chin up. guard down, move straight forwards' gameplan but anybody who thinks Floyd is going to give the type of movement that would allow Manny to do this has never watched a Mayweather fight.

I never got those whole 'odd angles' thing with Manny either? He definitely throws from a lot of different angles, a lot more than most fighters but it's all pretty orthodox, he just has a fairly good variety.

When I think odd angles I think Naz and to an extent SMW-Earlier Light heavy Roy Jones Junior... bot Pacman.

Also Daxx you make some good points (Floyd needs to be criticized and is a bit of a cunt! You can't not respect his game though.) but you're really on the war path with him at the moment aren't you!

What utter nonsense! to the point of just being facetious.

Pacquiao career is defined his by relentless combination punches that have decapitated hall of fame boxer's defenses. The majority of his knock downs and knock outs have come as a direct result of his combination punches. You only need to review the videos.

[:::PSL:::]

We've seen Manny throw lots of fast combos, faster than we've seen from Floyd but that's simply down to styles, Floyd doesn't use them. The only thing we can truly compare is single punches and Floyd is much quicker than those.

Floyd doesn't dig his toes in and throw fast flurries because he likes to keep guys turning so that the can't get set and they can't counter him effectively.

Even if Manny's combos are quicker - it's not likely to count for anything, like I said Floyd doesn't throw them because it would mean having to set up shop and stick with it, he likes to move... the likelihood in my mind is that either Manny try to throw a quick combo and BANG countered whilst Mayweather moves off him and changes the angle or Floyd moves off him and leaves him with nothing but air to hit and at a bad angle to defend himself.

Even the fasted fighters cannot throw a fast sustained combo with anything on it all (ie: meaningless) without being relatively set, the ring movement available to you is going to be limited during the flurry.

It's much easier to throw fast combos against a slow clottey who offers at times almost literally no movement and very few counters, a drained Hoya and Ricky Hatton following a 'chin up. guard down, move straight forwards' gameplan but anybody who thinks Floyd is going to give the type of movement that would allow Manny to do this has never watched a Mayweather fight.

I never got those whole 'odd angles' thing with Manny either? He definitely throws from a lot of different angles, a lot more than most fighters but it's all pretty orthodox, he just has a fairly good variety.

When I think odd angles I think Naz and to an extent SMW-Earlier Light heavy Roy Jones Junior... bot Pacman.

Also Daxx you make some good points (Floyd needs to be criticized and is a bit of a cunt! You can't not respect his game though.) but you're really on the war path with him at the moment aren't you!

What utter nonsense! to the point of just being facetious.

Pacquiao career is defined his by relentless combination punches that have decapitated hall of fame boxer's defenses. The majority of his knock downs and knock outs have come as a direct result of his combination punches. You only need to review the videos.

Good vid. I wish HBO would update it and add those 4 previous fights of his.

Floyd has quicker reflex DEFENSIVELY. He mastered the shoulder roll technic and lunches quick counter, but that's all he got, it's all repetition. And Roach knows that.

Once Pac finds out that he can take Mayweather's punch, then he's gonna force a fight. Manny have to put him in awkward situation like he does to his many opponents. That's his main key imo.

[milmascaras1]

daxx,

yeah, the same mayweather jr. who utterly destroyed an in his prime, undefeated corrales. and yes, mayweather jr. did struggle against a prime jose luis castillo but i think anybody at the time would have struggled with him as well, and yes, including the anointed one, pacquiao. as far as gatti goes, yes, it was an easy fight but can you blame mayweather? gatti was a cash cow at the time. tell me, did you actually think mayweather jr. would have completely obliterated gatti in the manner in which he did? carlos baldomir was the linear champion when mayweather jr. whitewashed him, in case you've forgotten. judah, yeah, he did give mayweather jr. some anxious moments. so what! you act as if pacquiao has never had any anxious moments himself. at least mayweather hasn't been rescued by filipino referee carlos padilla. at least mayweather has never wanted to quit like packie wanted to against agapito sanchez. and let's talk about oscar de la hoya. did you know that oskie was the reigning wbc jr. middleweight champion when mayweather beat him. and forget that SD scorecard because you know, i know and everyone knows it wasn't nearly as close as the cards would indicate. more like 116-112 or 117-111ish. oh, and did mayweather ask oskie to drain himself? no, he went up in weight to beat oskie. last but not least, let's talk about hatton. sure hatton got destroyed by pacquiao but it was mayweather jr. who cracked his boxing virginity by giving him his first loss. after floyd got thru with hatton, hatton was never the same as he was in dire straits against lazcano. believe me, in a pre-mayweather fight, hatton would have KO'd lazcano easily. one more thing daxxy, after all the bickering and debating on this subject, mayweather is still undefeated and has never loss or been ko'd by utter bums. fighter of the decade you say? lol...did you actually think those boxing writers would have given the award to mayweather jr.? really think so? hey, congrats to pacquiao and all that but the facts are these, he's been carefully matched up throughout his career and gotten a few gimme's along the way. mayweather is and always be the superior boxer and it just kills you that every boxing fan doesn't kneel down and pray to your lord and savior!

[milmascaras1]

adamGB,

i absolutely agree with your assessment. mayweather doesn't need to throw punches in bunches because he's too accurate and doesn't need to. great boxing incite!

[Majesty]

We've seen Manny throw lots of fast combos, faster than we've seen from Floyd but that's simply down to styles, Floyd doesn't use them. The only thing we can truly compare is single punches and Floyd is much quicker than those.

Floyd doesn't dig his toes in and throw fast flurries because he likes to keep guys turning so that the can't get set and they can't counter him effectively.

Even if Manny's combos are quicker - it's not likely to count for anything, like I said Floyd doesn't throw them because it would mean having to set up shop and stick with it, he likes to move... the likelihood in my mind is that either Manny try to throw a quick combo and BANG countered whilst Mayweather moves off him and changes the angle or Floyd moves off him and leaves him with nothing but air to hit and at a bad angle to defend himself.

Even the fasted fighters cannot throw a fast sustained combo with anything on it all (ie: meaningless) without being relatively set, the ring movement available to you is going to be limited during the flurry.

It's much easier to throw fast combos against a slow clottey who offers at times almost literally no movement and very few counters, a drained Hoya and Ricky Hatton following a 'chin up. guard down, move straight forwards' gameplan but anybody who thinks Floyd is going to give the type of movement that would allow Manny to do this has never watched a Mayweather fight.

I never got those whole 'odd angles' thing with Manny either? He definitely throws from a lot of different angles, a lot more than most fighters but it's all pretty orthodox, he just has a fairly good variety.

When I think odd angles I think Naz and to an extent SMW-Earlier Light heavy Roy Jones Junior... bot Pacman.

Also Daxx you make some good points (Floyd needs to be criticized and is a bit of a cunt! You can't not respect his game though.) but you're really on the war path with him at the moment aren't you!

What utter nonsense! to the point of just being facetious.

Pacquiao career is defined his by relentless combination punches that have decapitated hall of fame boxer's defenses. The majority of his knock downs and knock outs have come as a direct result of his combination punches. You only need to review the videos.

Because Barerra, Morales Hatton and Cotto have the same defenses as Floyd and PBF will stand still and let Pacquiao throw while not moving at all right?

[C-Lo]

its the ultimate hugger vs. hater thread!!


i'm enjoying here, seriously

I've been viewing this thread since it was posted but never decided to post.

I with you on this one, I'm enjoying the ride!

[anne_lee]

my gut feeling is telling me that pacman will win on points, if it goes to the cards, but Floyd got as much skill as pacman, been in as many wars, only been stopped by the plasterer lol so in short pacmans got the speed to pull it on points but i see in my mind Floyd possibly being to strong, not necessarily in physicality but will, and forcing pacman to fight like a dog, and hes not been hit hard yet at wether so we never know lol its a tough one, whats your thoughts onthe haye maker and his future?

[Taeth]

I hear this all the time usually from posters who ask questions like Where can I sign up to wipe Floyds ass...I don't see it...Especially right now at this point in their careers...Yes Floyd is fast but not Pacquiao fast....Shit opponents they have in common don't think Floyd is as fast....





Now looking at both videos I do not see whare Floyds speed is greater then Manny's....The only thing Faster when matched up is the fact the common opponents fall quicker for Manny then Floyd

I don't see what those prove? I think the difference is that Manny throws everything at full speed whereas Mayweather uses more accuracy and throws more feint type punches. I think their actual handspeed is the same, but Manny throws combinations. Mayweather also doesn't throw with all his speed unless he really needs to. We saw Mayweather show much more impressive handspeed against Mosley than we did against JMM, because he needed to be that fast to land on Mosley. He is so economical that he would he won't generally throw his fastest punches(which puts you a little more off balance) unless its necessary, whereas Manny throws every punch like that, and obviously if you put more force behind a punch it will travel faster as long as you are relaxed.

The biggest difference in their speed is that Floyd because he doesn't bounce can get off at anytime, he also throws one or two punches at a time which means he relies on landing with the first punch whereas Manny doesn't. He is a better mixture of speed and timing because his style has forced him to master both. Also another important factor is distance because Manny throws combinations it isn't as important for him to really, really know distance the same way a guy who throws one punch at a time does. That being said after Manny throws a combination he is usually out of position because he has overextended himself, and there is a lapse that a guy like Floyd could take advantage of because he is always in balance and ready to act.

Footspeed, I think Manny is a little faster possibly, but that's probably because he bounces like aforementioned, but IMO that isn't worth the holes it leaves in what he does. I just think Mayweather developped himself defensively so well he doesn't need to rely on a lot of footspeed to avoid danger, thus he focus' on a higher level of footwork with more subtle nuances to it.

Basically they are both at the very top of the sport all time for overall speed, but Floyd has better defensive skills, instincts, and timing.

[erik_corrales]

i'm going to have to butt in and give a piece of my shit.

you all have great points. thing that is being overlooked is that pac doesn't throw combinations at the start of the bell at the very first round. pac, as well as floyd, like to feel out their opponents before actually engaging in "their style" of fighting. so what does this all boil down to? whoever gets off first and whoever ruins the rhythm of the other guy.

floyd is good at figuring out his opponents after a couple of rounds, that's when he starts disrupting his opponents' rhythm and gives out a clinic.

pac feints jabs, baiting himself going in and out but not exactly commiting to his punches. but once he figures out your speed and punching strength, he goes on to whatever plan roach gave him. which poses problems because once he gets going, there's no stopping, just like the juggernaut from the x-men.

on paper, the advantage is definitely floyd's. in reality, we're gonna have to wait.

[mad_takamura]

daxx,

yeah, the same mayweather jr. who utterly destroyed an in his prime, undefeated corrales. and yes, mayweather jr. did struggle against a prime jose luis castillo but i think anybody at the time would have struggled with him as well, and yes, including the anointed one, pacquiao. as far as gatti goes, yes, it was an easy fight but can you blame mayweather? gatti was a cash cow at the time. tell me, did you actually think mayweather jr. would have completely obliterated gatti in the manner in which he did? carlos baldomir was the linear champion when mayweather jr. whitewashed him, in case you've forgotten. judah, yeah, he did give mayweather jr. some anxious moments. so what! you act as if pacquiao has never had any anxious moments himself. at least mayweather hasn't been rescued by filipino referee carlos padilla. at least mayweather has never wanted to quit like packie wanted to against agapito sanchez. and let's talk about oscar de la hoya. did you know that oskie was the reigning wbc jr. middleweight champion when mayweather beat him. and forget that SD scorecard because you know, i know and everyone knows it wasn't nearly as close as the cards would indicate. more like 116-112 or 117-111ish. oh, and did mayweather ask oskie to drain himself? no, he went up in weight to beat oskie. last but not least, let's talk about hatton. sure hatton got destroyed by pacquiao but it was mayweather jr. who cracked his boxing virginity by giving him his first loss. after floyd got thru with hatton, hatton was never the same as he was in dire straits against lazcano. believe me, in a pre-mayweather fight, hatton would have KO'd lazcano easily. one more thing daxxy, after all the bickering and debating on this subject, mayweather is still undefeated and has never loss or been ko'd by utter bums. fighter of the decade you say? lol...did you actually think those boxing writers would have given the award to mayweather jr.? really think so? hey, congrats to pacquiao and all that but the facts are these, he's been carefully matched up throughout his career and gotten a few gimme's along the way. mayweather is and always be the superior boxer and it just kills you that every boxing fan doesn't kneel down and pray to your lord and savior!

If this fight goes through, let's have an avatar bet! I see you don't have an avatar yet coz maybe you're too dumb to not know how to place an avatar yet.
IF pac wins against mayweather i want you to have an avatar of ellerbe and a title saying "this is my secret identity."
If mayweather wins i will never again post here at saddo.
Deal? No chicken shit.

[AdamGB]

I think Manny has the faster hands and can also throw them in combinations. Floyd only throws one at a time, at the most we will see 3 punches. Pac has a solid chin and I see no way that Floyd can deal with what Manny offers. Manny has everything Hatton had times 10. I think he is now the all round package and that Floyd will be overwhelmed. The second round of the Mosley fight also tells me that Floyds chin isn't all that sharp if you can rattle it often enough. Floyd isn't stopping anyone and he isn't going to outwork Manny. Floyd is 33, pushing 34, just back off a long lay off and hasn't beaten anyone in their prime or in their weight class in a long time.

Manny is too hot for him now.

Manny won't be able to throw effective combos against Floyd... not like he is used to. FACT

And Floyd can let his hands go... but that's not how he boxes... but it doesn't mean that he can't... it's just not a relevant factor in this fight. I think you should read what I posted over mate

What is Manny going to do to get himself in position and keep Floyd where he wants him? He can walk him down, keep on him and throw loads of combos... it has to be one or the other... he's not going to beat mayweather by fighting mayweather's fight because mayweather is better at fighting that why and Mayweather isn't going to allow him the movement and angles that he needs to get those combos off and keep them going.

The more I think about it the more I see Floyd shutting down most of Manny's strengths.

[Gandalf]

I think Manny has the faster hands and can also throw them in combinations. Floyd only throws one at a time, at the most we will see 3 punches. Pac has a solid chin and I see no way that Floyd can deal with what Manny offers. Manny has everything Hatton had times 10. I think he is now the all round package and that Floyd will be overwhelmed. The second round of the Mosley fight also tells me that Floyds chin isn't all that sharp if you can rattle it often enough. Floyd isn't stopping anyone and he isn't going to outwork Manny. Floyd is 33, pushing 34, just back off a long lay off and hasn't beaten anyone in their prime or in their weight class in a long time.

Manny is too hot for him now.

Manny won't be able to throw effective combos against Floyd... not like he is used to. FACT

And Floyd can let his hands go... but that's not how he boxes... but it doesn't mean that he can't... it's just not a relevant factor in this fight. I think you should read what I posted over mate

What is Manny going to do to get himself in position and keep Floyd where he wants him? He can walk him down, keep on him and throw loads of combos... it has to be one or the other... he's not going to beat mayweather by fighting mayweather's fight because mayweather is better at fighting that why and Mayweather isn't going to allow him the movement and angles that he needs to get those combos off and keep them going.

The more I think about it the more I see Floyd shutting down most of Manny's strengths.

No his output won't be as much, but it will be significantly higher than Floyd's. If Hatton can keep up with Floyd for half a fight, then Manny can go all the way. Floyd is older now and fights more flatfooted, his upper body defence is still spot on, but he isn't as elusive, he can be tagged and is getting hit more than he used to. Not a massive amount, but punches are landing. Manny has the footwork, power and speed to cause Floyd a lot of problems. I also don't think Floyd deals as effectively with southpaws. If Zab can be up after 4 rounds, then you know Manny can be too and Manny doesn't have Zab's ADD either, so will be able to sustain it or adapt according to what Roach sees fit. I honestly think Mosley was out far too long and age caught him somewhat and that Marquez was a LW fighting a WW and was much too small. Floyd hasn't beaten someone in their prime nor weight class for years now.

[Gandalf]

That's not to say Manny's record is the bees knees with all the catchweights and opponents coming in off of losses, but I think it has been more impressive than Mayweather's on the whole.

[C-Lo]

I've said this from the get go. When you put this match-up in debate each side can argue why their fighter is better than the other or why one guy will dominate the other. Both men, if they EVER decide to fight each other will be in there with someone like they've never seen before.

Manny has never fought anyone as quick, as defensively sound, and as confident as Mayweather is. Floyd has never fought anyone as aggressive, with the same heart, and also as confident as Manny is. Call me a mediator, but this is how I really view this fight.

[Gandalf]

I've said this from the get go. When you put this match-up in debate each side can argue why their fighter is better than the other or why one guy will dominate the other. Both men, if they EVER decide to fight each other will be in there with someone like they've never seen before.

Manny has never fought anyone as quick, as defensively sound, and as confident as Mayweather is. Floyd has never fought anyone as aggressive, with the same heart, and also as confident as Manny is. Call me a mediator, but this is how I really view this fight.

That is quite true. We can all argue our points of view and back and forth they will go, but neither one of us quite knows how those styles will mesh (except for Taeth, of course). We all have our suspicions and ideas, but all of us have been proven quite wrong at some stage in the past (except for Taeth who always knew). Let's just hope this bugger of a fight gets made!