The truth and facts about The career of Muhammad Ali

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Dude. And I thought I wasted alot of time over analyzing shit.

Missing sc's right about now

i do not understand what u meant

Roids were not banned till the 80s.

I thought sugar ray was the greatest

IDK whether he used Roids or just testosterone injections which is what i typed , and he probably wasn't d only 1 . I read that steroids were available as PEDs in sports since d 1940s or 1950s .

It is true that Ali is one of the (i won't say most but) freely overrated boxers ever.

I adore him but have to concede...

I adore Corrie Sanders but i haven't listed him in my top 30 p4p nor in my top 30 heavyweights of all times yet .
Corrie Sanders was a rather clean fighter and everything ppl wished and hoped young Cautios Play was , immense handspeed , mobile , agile , effective at it , but did not get as many lucky breaks by a criminal trainer .
Has any1 seen me call him d greatest , let alone 1 of d 20 greatest ?
I love watching him fight , he was exceptional , but he had his flaws and his resume insufficient 4 it .


But what do u adore Cautious Play 4 ?
could it b it is due 2 his cautious play just in case ?

Well to answer the question, he was a massive overachiever who upset the odds many times and fought long into a period where his athletic abilities had long wained and was forced to survive on wits, instinct and a rock solid chin.

Not only that but he was a massively prominent figure throughout 2 decades.

Only Joe Louis, Evander Holyfield and maybe now the Klitschkos had that kind of prominence.

[brocktonblockbust]

I think Ali needs to be looked at as a boxer which is oddly enough the last thing people look at. To many Ali is "The Greatest" why? Because he talked himself up and billed himself as "The Greatest" certainly he was a great heavyweight, but don't get the blinders on. Sure Ali lost time to protesting the Vietnam War, but Joe Louis served his country & lost years of his prime as well, he also defended his title better as well. Those are just a few of the reasons why Joe Louis is actually The Greatest Heavyweight of All-Time, Ali is still up there as is Marciano.

Thing is, everyone has tough fights, but it seems to me a lot of people rate Ali based on his cult of personality status rather than what he did in the ring and anyone who says something against that will be berated for their insolence.

thıs ıs a great post. I thınk Alı should also be looked upon as a boxer only. Forget hıs black muslım hıstory and antı-vıetnam stuff---Jımı Hendrıx can claım the same stats-----does that make Hendrıx a ranked boxer then? Many people were agaınst vıewnam and raısed questıons about blacks havıng whıte names, etc. Lets just look at Alı as a boxer---OK:

perhaps the fastest of all tıme for a heavy no doubt about ıt
but and thıs ıs a BIG BUT----HE SURE GOT CLOCKED THOUSANDS OF TIMES BY FRAZIER FOR EXAMPLE IN THEIR 1ST FIGHT--- CONSIDERING HE WAS THE FASTEST IN THE WORLD! I thought those left hooks from rounds 9 through 15 decapıtated Ali personally and he was never the same agaın. Frazıer ended Ali's career ın March of 1971. FACT. After that Alı relıed pretty much onbeıng a human punchıng bag and rope a dopıng etc. flat footed and gettıng hıt so fuckıng much by Norton and Shavers and Spınks ıts no wonder he's ın the state he's ın now. Great chin though.

[frankenfrank]

yup fully agree that sc's need to make a comeback, at least I have a side project, need to write "BOXING: For Morons" and dedicate the book to Frankfurter, maybe that way his ass will actually learn something, but at least he has taught us something, that even though someone can watch a bunch of fights, they can still be completely oblivious and clueless to what the fuck is going on in what they're watching,

this is n exact description of d vast majority of those who replied in my threads so far , including yourself .
and i watched more than just "a bunch" , i watched hundreds , which i doubt most of u did .

BTW did / do u ever use d "ETM" name ?
because while i wouldn't consider d ETM i stumbled upon a good poster , he is still levels above u .

[ElTerribleMorales]

yup fully agree that sc's need to make a comeback, at least I have a side project, need to write "BOXING: For Morons" and dedicate the book to Frankfurter, maybe that way his ass will actually learn something, but at least he has taught us something, that even though someone can watch a bunch of fights, they can still be completely oblivious and clueless to what the fuck is going on in what they're watching,

this is n exact description of d vast majority of those who replied in my threads so far , including yourself .
and i watched more than just "a bunch" , i watched hundreds , which i doubt most of u did .

BTW did / do u ever use d "ETM" name ?
because while i wouldn't consider d ETM i stumbled upon a good poster , he is still levels above u .

most of us aren't New to the sport, plenty of us have actually picked up the sport at one point of the other, I've been into boxing since I was 5, been watching it religiously since I was about 10, you do the math and tell me that "hundreds of fights" is really anything =/, again you can see them all you want but your posts basically prove that even though you've watched them, you've learned nothing, nor do you know what ur talking about

[frankenfrank]

yup fully agree that sc's need to make a comeback, at least I have a side project, need to write "BOXING: For Morons" and dedicate the book to Frankfurter, maybe that way his ass will actually learn something, but at least he has taught us something, that even though someone can watch a bunch of fights, they can still be completely oblivious and clueless to what the fuck is going on in what they're watching,

this is n exact description of d vast majority of those who replied in my threads so far , including yourself .
and i watched more than just "a bunch" , i watched hundreds , which i doubt most of u did .

BTW did / do u ever use d "ETM" name ?
because while i wouldn't consider d ETM i stumbled upon a good poster , he is still levels above u .

most of us aren't New to the sport, plenty of us have actually picked up the sport at one point of the other, I've been into boxing since I was 5, been watching it religiously since I was about 10, you do the math and tell me that "hundreds of fights" is really anything =/, again you can see them all you want but your posts basically prove that even though you've watched them, you've learned nothing, nor do you know what ur talking about

and u show , that even if u follow d sport 4 a long time u 4get and misinterpret what u saw and also didn't bother 2 know d facts and r obviously a very ignorant as in ignoring person .

[ElTerribleMorales]

yup fully agree that sc's need to make a comeback, at least I have a side project, need to write "BOXING: For Morons" and dedicate the book to Frankfurter, maybe that way his ass will actually learn something, but at least he has taught us something, that even though someone can watch a bunch of fights, they can still be completely oblivious and clueless to what the fuck is going on in what they're watching,

this is n exact description of d vast majority of those who replied in my threads so far , including yourself .
and i watched more than just "a bunch" , i watched hundreds , which i doubt most of u did .

BTW did / do u ever use d "ETM" name ?
because while i wouldn't consider d ETM i stumbled upon a good poster , he is still levels above u .

most of us aren't New to the sport, plenty of us have actually picked up the sport at one point of the other, I've been into boxing since I was 5, been watching it religiously since I was about 10, you do the math and tell me that "hundreds of fights" is really anything =/, again you can see them all you want but your posts basically prove that even though you've watched them, you've learned nothing, nor do you know what ur talking about

and u show , that even if u follow d sport 4 a long time u 4get and misinterpret what u saw and also didn't bother 2 know d facts and r obviously a very ignorant as in ignoring person .

funny how everyone else is "ignorant" yet we all disagree with your dumbass lol, you can't even fucking spell so you don't have the right to call anyone fucking ignorant hahaha , and what you post are opinions not facts, just cause you put it down doesn't make it a fact, sorry buddy, same way you accused Trinidad and Gomez of being cheaters when neither was found to be a dirty fighter

[frankenfrank]

funny how everyone else is "ignorant" yet we all disagree with your dumbass lol, you can't even fucking spell so you don't have the right to call anyone fucking ignorant hahaha , and what you post are opinions not facts, just cause you put it down doesn't make it a fact, sorry buddy, same way you accused Trinidad and Gomez of being cheaters when neither was found to be a dirty fighter

more lies , more cookie cutting , same person , different thread .
u r ignorant and i don't care how many disagree with me .
seems like u post 4d sake of posting , maintaining disagreement , having d last word , lying and a few more .

[ElTerribleMorales]

funny how everyone else is "ignorant" yet we all disagree with your dumbass lol, you can't even fucking spell so you don't have the right to call anyone fucking ignorant hahaha , and what you post are opinions not facts, just cause you put it down doesn't make it a fact, sorry buddy, same way you accused Trinidad and Gomez of being cheaters when neither was found to be a dirty fighter

more lies , more cookie cutting , same person , different thread .
u r ignorant and i don't care how many disagree with me .
seems like u post 4d sake of posting , maintaining disagreement , having d last word , lying and a few more .

funny thing is your own damn post applies to you

[roberto duran legend]

funny how everyone else is "ignorant" yet we all disagree with your dumbass lol, you can't even fucking spell so you don't have the right to call anyone fucking ignorant hahaha , and what you post are opinions not facts, just cause you put it down doesn't make it a fact, sorry buddy, same way you accused Trinidad and Gomez of being cheaters when neither was found to be a dirty fighter

more lies , more cookie cutting , same person , different thread .
u r ignorant and i don't care how many disagree with me .
seems like u post 4d sake of posting , maintaining disagreement , having d last word , lying and a few more .

Stop the madness please, Frankenfert,you should ask for permission from your
parents before you come on forums.

[beenKOed]

Ali, that great American icon, was never my American icon. I didn't care for him from the beginning. He was a mean spirited man who disrespected other fighters, talked about them like they were trash, especially black fighters! Yeah, in my opinion he was a first class prick but I never, ever doubted his ability in the ring! If the Foreman fight doesn't convince you he was the best of his era, talking to you is a waste of time.

[Master]

Agreed about the boxing and it works 2 ways as people judge him negatively for his political activism. The point being that was Fraizier at his best 1971 and his left hooks landed flush on Ali’s jaw and he still got up. Boxing wise the man’s record is the greatest and no heavyweight can compare and I love Joe Louis but you have to credit Muhammad Ali. We lost some prime years from the man.

[frankenfrank]

My own entire posts in this thread deal purely on Ali inside d ring and have nothing 2 do with politics .
Now i m accused of taking a political stance 4 posting a purely boxaic material .
How cum no1 called me a racist yet ?

[Master]

My own entire posts in this thread deal purely on Ali inside d ring and have nothing 2 do with politics .
Now i m accused of taking a political stance 4 posting a purely boxaic material .
How cum no1 called me a racist yet ?

I never accused you of taking a political stance.

[Dark Lord Al]

My own entire posts in this thread deal purely on Ali inside d ring and have nothing 2 do with politics .
Now i m accused of taking a political stance 4 posting a purely boxaic material .
How cum no1 called me a racist yet ?

we didnt credit you with the intellect to know what the word ment.

[THE THIRD MAN]

The absurdity of the thread is almost beyond belief, 'Frankenfurter' talks of Ali as if he just suddenly appeared in 1964 out of the blue and nobody knew who he was, he probably did talk himself into a match with Liston, but he was an Olympic champion and that's significant enough to remind people that the next two Olympic champions also went on to win the World Heavyweight title. Ali was unbeaten at the time and Liston was like Godzilla in the ring, the fact that he won and then became the most famous sports personality in the world appears to be the source of much consternation. It's easy to be critical of Ali the boxer and Ali the man, he came along during the golden age of television where every statement he made, every opinion he had, every move he made was scrutinised and by many condemend. This did not faze him.
Ali the boxer was stripped of his title and had his livelyhood taken away from him at the peak of his career, tell me truthfully could Joe Frazier have beaten Ali in in 1967 or 1968? They most certainly would've have met in that time had Ali continued to fight. Ali returned and he fought Frazier in 1971 almost 4 years after being stripped of his title, he lost a decision, but was not disgraced, (have a close look at Joe Frazier's face after this fight) Joe Frazier was no mug. Ali was not the same fighter as he was in 1966, he then beat George Foreman in 1974 and Frazier in 1975. Ali fought the best out there at the time and he used different tactics to do it, he was a brilliant ring tactician. Where is this criticisim coming from? My only criticism of Ali is he should've retired after the Thriller In Manila.
Frankenfurter... you have no idea!