Dereck Chisora now faces Kevin"Punchbag" Johnson

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Scott is better than Johnson?

If Johnson doesn't get stopped and he wont, hes instantly done better than Scott.

If Chisora looks shit then it proves that Fury was the better man all along because an "in shape" Chisora cant get past someone Fury did (and easier than Vitali according to Malik Scott).

So by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?

Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.

Not good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums

Stop it

If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.

[Silkeyjoe]

Scott is better than Johnson?

If Johnson doesn't get stopped and he wont, hes instantly done better than Scott.

If Chisora looks shit then it proves that Fury was the better man all along because an "in shape" Chisora cant get past someone Fury did (and easier than Vitali according to Malik Scott).

So by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?

Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.

Not good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums

Stop it

If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.

Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.

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Scott is better than Johnson?

If Johnson doesn't get stopped and he wont, hes instantly done better than Scott.

If Chisora looks shit then it proves that Fury was the better man all along because an "in shape" Chisora cant get past someone Fury did (and easier than Vitali according to Malik Scott).

So by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?

Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.

Not good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums

Stop it

If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.

Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.

Chisora isnt that good but Malik Scott is "very good" and better than anyone Fury has faced even though Chisora stopped him and Fury beat Chisora?

Carry on

[Beanz]

Johnson could win 12 rounds to nil and he's still not winning this fight. Funny choice of opponent considering they are just selling a rematch with Fury.

Fury wins KO 1-2.
Chisora wins a 12 round borefest.

Fury could do with the rounds. Won't get them. If Del stops Johnson, Fury will still carry on with the deluded belief that he is the real deal.

Del boy won't stop Johnson

It is unlikely but he will sure as hell try to. Fury on the other hand is merely very trying.

[Silkeyjoe]

Scott is better than Johnson?

If Johnson doesn't get stopped and he wont, hes instantly done better than Scott.

If Chisora looks shit then it proves that Fury was the better man all along because an "in shape" Chisora cant get past someone Fury did (and easier than Vitali according to Malik Scott).

So by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?

Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.

Not good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums

Stop it

If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.

Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.

Chisora isnt that good but Malik Scott is "very good" and better than anyone Fury has faced even though Chisora stopped him and Fury beat Chisora?

Carry on

The stoppage was bogus. He isnt that good in the context I explained above. He is a good european title level fighter and a bad world title fighter if that makes sense. Just like Fury. Scott is same. Very good for that level but not very good compared to all time greats.

[Silkeyjoe]

They are all good fighters, you dont get to that level without being good. None of them are great

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Scott is better than Johnson?

If Johnson doesn't get stopped and he wont, hes instantly done better than Scott.

If Chisora looks shit then it proves that Fury was the better man all along because an "in shape" Chisora cant get past someone Fury did (and easier than Vitali according to Malik Scott).

So by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?

Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.

Not good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums

Stop it

If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.

Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.

Chisora isnt that good but Malik Scott is "very good" and better than anyone Fury has faced even though Chisora stopped him and Fury beat Chisora?

Carry on

The stoppage was bogus. He isnt that good in the context I explained above. He is a good european title level fighter and a bad world title fighter if that makes sense. Just like Fury. Scott is same. Very good for that level but not very good compared to all time greats.

Your even tying yourself up now trying to explain your logic.

Basically you just want to say Furys shit I take it?

Stop trying to explain why because youll end up giving yourself a headache

[Silkeyjoe]

Whatever Ross I know Im right. Sure its not like anyone values your opinion anyway constantly hyping average fighters as all time greats.

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Whatever Ross I know Im right. Sure its not like anyone values your opinion anyway constantly hyping average fighters as all time greats.

No, no I havent.....

Iv mearly had the temerity to have an opinion that differs to the vast majority in this forum and had the courage to post it publicly and stick by my guns.

Iv never said hes the best around now let alone ever!

Its funny how such outlandish claims are made against my comments just so some posters can get other posters behind them. Youll notice that its never just "I think your wrong" its always "I think your wrong and so do this lot".

What I am saying is Fury is better than Chisora. Hes proven hes better than Chisora. Hes also proven hes better than Johnson and as a "very good fighter" Malik Scott said, Fury had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did. Malik Scott cant be better than Furys opponents seeing as one actually beat him and if Chisora has problems with Johnson it disproves this myth about Chisoras fitness being the major factor in his loss to Fury seeing as this is the new improved fit Chisora that wins the rematch.....

[Silkeyjoe]

Whatever Ross I know Im right. Sure its not like anyone values your opinion anyway constantly hyping average fighters as all time greats.

No, no I havent.....

Iv mearly had the temerity to have an opinion that differs to the vast majority in this forum and had the courage to post it publicly and stick by my guns.

Iv never said hes the best around now let alone ever!

Its funny how such outlandish claims are made against my comments just so some posters can get other posters behind them. Youll notice that its never just "I think your wrong" its always "I think your wrong and so do this lot".

What I am saying is Fury is better than Chisora. Hes proven hes better than Chisora. Hes also proven hes better than Johnson and as a "very good fighter" Malik Scott said, Fury had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did. Malik Scott cant be better than Furys opponents seeing as one actually beat him and if Chisora has problems with Johnson it disproves this myth about Chisoras fitness being the major factor in his loss to Fury seeing as this is the new improved fit Chisora that wins the rematch.....

U are wrong and a retard

1. Danny Williams beat Tyson, Tyson beat Holmes aka Williams is better then Tyson and Hplmes.

2. Fury got a gift decision against McDermot after he was KOd in 1 in his prime by Matt Skelton. Matt Skelton must be better then Fury.

Your basing ur argument on something that hasnt happened, Johnson beating Chisora. U also cant seem to admit that Chisora was in awful shape in his fight with Fury which is why everyone thinks your a delusional fool. You constantly contradict yourself with your logic of how and why one fighter is better then the other but you only apply it to fighters you like. Just because I agree with the majority on this site about you and about Fury doesnt mean Im following the pack, Im just saying what I see and I happen to see it the way everyone else does. Everyone is biased to fighters they like but most of us try to be rational when talking about fighters. You dont seem to be able to do this and cannot accept any criticism to a fighter you like.

U also make up things people say, where or when did I say Chisora beats Fury? I havent argued that anywhere. All I have said is that in the 1st fight Chisora was in awful shape and gassed after 2 or 4 rounds. I also said I believe Scott is a better fighter then Johnson, Cunningham and the Chisora thay Fury faced. And by better fighter I mean better Heavyweight, Cunningham is a better fighter then Cunningham but at Heavyweight Scott wins. Im a boxing odds compiler so I know Fury will be fav to beat Chisora and I think he should be but a fit Chisora has a great chance of beating him. The way you shite on youd think Chisora had no chance.

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Whatever Ross I know Im right. Sure its not like anyone values your opinion anyway constantly hyping average fighters as all time greats.

No, no I havent.....

Iv mearly had the temerity to have an opinion that differs to the vast majority in this forum and had the courage to post it publicly and stick by my guns.

Iv never said hes the best around now let alone ever!

Its funny how such outlandish claims are made against my comments just so some posters can get other posters behind them. Youll notice that its never just "I think your wrong" its always "I think your wrong and so do this lot".

What I am saying is Fury is better than Chisora. Hes proven hes better than Chisora. Hes also proven hes better than Johnson and as a "very good fighter" Malik Scott said, Fury had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did. Malik Scott cant be better than Furys opponents seeing as one actually beat him and if Chisora has problems with Johnson it disproves this myth about Chisoras fitness being the major factor in his loss to Fury seeing as this is the new improved fit Chisora that wins the rematch.....

U are wrong and a retard

1. Danny Williams beat Tyson, Tyson beat Holmes aka Williams is better then Tyson and Hplmes.

2. Fury got a gift decision against McDermot after he was KOd in 1 in his prime by Matt Skelton. Matt Skelton must be better then Fury.

Your basing ur argument on something that hasnt happened, Johnson beating Chisora. U also cant seem to admit that Chisora was in awful shape in his fight with Fury which is why everyone thinks your a delusional fool. You constantly contradict yourself with your logic of how and why one fighter is better then the other but you only apply it to fighters you like. Just because I agree with the majority on this site about you and about Fury doesnt mean Im following the pack, Im just saying what I see and I happen to see it the way everyone else does. Everyone is biased to fighters they like but most of us try to be rational when talking about fighters. You dont seem to be able to do this and cannot accept any criticism to a fighter you like.

U also make up things people say, where or when did I say Chisora beats Fury? I havent argued that anywhere. All I have said is that in the 1st fight Chisora was in awful shape and gassed after 2 or 4 rounds. I also said I believe Scott is a better fighter then Johnson, Cunningham and the Chisora thay Fury faced. And by better fighter I mean better Heavyweight, Cunningham is a better fighter then Cunningham but at Heavyweight Scott wins. Im a boxing odds compiler so I know Fury will be fav to beat Chisora and I think he should be but a fit Chisora has a great chance of beating him. The way you shite on youd think Chisora had no chance.

As long as Fury comes in fit and injury free it will pretty much be that way.

Fury was pushed in to a fight with an experienced English title holder just 8 months after turning pro. He gave him a rematch and knocked him out.

Johnson might not get the decision over Chisora but he certainly wont have an easier time against Johnson than Vitali did.

Anyway, Chisora isnt good, Scott is very good and better than all Furys opponents

Oh and scott is also better than Johnson

[Silkeyjoe]

Whatever Ross I know Im right. Sure its not like anyone values your opinion anyway constantly hyping average fighters as all time greats.

No, no I havent.....

Iv mearly had the temerity to have an opinion that differs to the vast majority in this forum and had the courage to post it publicly and stick by my guns.

Iv never said hes the best around now let alone ever!

Its funny how such outlandish claims are made against my comments just so some posters can get other posters behind them. Youll notice that its never just "I think your wrong" its always "I think your wrong and so do this lot".

What I am saying is Fury is better than Chisora. Hes proven hes better than Chisora. Hes also proven hes better than Johnson and as a "very good fighter" Malik Scott said, Fury had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did. Malik Scott cant be better than Furys opponents seeing as one actually beat him and if Chisora has problems with Johnson it disproves this myth about Chisoras fitness being the major factor in his loss to Fury seeing as this is the new improved fit Chisora that wins the rematch.....

U are wrong and a retard

1. Danny Williams beat Tyson, Tyson beat Holmes aka Williams is better then Tyson and Hplmes.

2. Fury got a gift decision against McDermot after he was KOd in 1 in his prime by Matt Skelton. Matt Skelton must be better then Fury.

Your basing ur argument on something that hasnt happened, Johnson beating Chisora. U also cant seem to admit that Chisora was in awful shape in his fight with Fury which is why everyone thinks your a delusional fool. You constantly contradict yourself with your logic of how and why one fighter is better then the other but you only apply it to fighters you like. Just because I agree with the majority on this site about you and about Fury doesnt mean Im following the pack, Im just saying what I see and I happen to see it the way everyone else does. Everyone is biased to fighters they like but most of us try to be rational when talking about fighters. You dont seem to be able to do this and cannot accept any criticism to a fighter you like.

U also make up things people say, where or when did I say Chisora beats Fury? I havent argued that anywhere. All I have said is that in the 1st fight Chisora was in awful shape and gassed after 2 or 4 rounds. I also said I believe Scott is a better fighter then Johnson, Cunningham and the Chisora thay Fury faced. And by better fighter I mean better Heavyweight, Cunningham is a better fighter then Cunningham but at Heavyweight Scott wins. Im a boxing odds compiler so I know Fury will be fav to beat Chisora and I think he should be but a fit Chisora has a great chance of beating him. The way you shite on youd think Chisora had no chance.

As long as Fury comes in fit and injury free it will pretty much be that way.

Fury was pushed in to a fight with an experienced English title holder just 8 months after turning pro. He gave him a rematch and knocked him out.

Johnson might not get the decision over Chisora but he certainly wont have an easier time against Johnson than Vitali did.

Anyway, Chisora isnt good, Scott is very good and better than all Furys opponents

Oh and scott is also better than Johnson

I presume u dont bet then? And I presume u dont want to give me odds on Chisora beating Fury this year? Since he has no chance I presume ud happily give me 20/1?

[Silkeyjoe]

Whatever Ross I know Im right. Sure its not like anyone values your opinion anyway constantly hyping average fighters as all time greats.

No, no I havent.....

Iv mearly had the temerity to have an opinion that differs to the vast majority in this forum and had the courage to post it publicly and stick by my guns.

Iv never said hes the best around now let alone ever!

Its funny how such outlandish claims are made against my comments just so some posters can get other posters behind them. Youll notice that its never just "I think your wrong" its always "I think your wrong and so do this lot".

What I am saying is Fury is better than Chisora. Hes proven hes better than Chisora. Hes also proven hes better than Johnson and as a "very good fighter" Malik Scott said, Fury had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did. Malik Scott cant be better than Furys opponents seeing as one actually beat him and if Chisora has problems with Johnson it disproves this myth about Chisoras fitness being the major factor in his loss to Fury seeing as this is the new improved fit Chisora that wins the rematch.....

U are wrong and a retard

1. Danny Williams beat Tyson, Tyson beat Holmes aka Williams is better then Tyson and Hplmes.

2. Fury got a gift decision against McDermot after he was KOd in 1 in his prime by Matt Skelton. Matt Skelton must be better then Fury.

Your basing ur argument on something that hasnt happened, Johnson beating Chisora. U also cant seem to admit that Chisora was in awful shape in his fight with Fury which is why everyone thinks your a delusional fool. You constantly contradict yourself with your logic of how and why one fighter is better then the other but you only apply it to fighters you like. Just because I agree with the majority on this site about you and about Fury doesnt mean Im following the pack, Im just saying what I see and I happen to see it the way everyone else does. Everyone is biased to fighters they like but most of us try to be rational when talking about fighters. You dont seem to be able to do this and cannot accept any criticism to a fighter you like.

U also make up things people say, where or when did I say Chisora beats Fury? I havent argued that anywhere. All I have said is that in the 1st fight Chisora was in awful shape and gassed after 2 or 4 rounds. I also said I believe Scott is a better fighter then Johnson, Cunningham and the Chisora thay Fury faced. And by better fighter I mean better Heavyweight, Cunningham is a better fighter then Cunningham but at Heavyweight Scott wins. Im a boxing odds compiler so I know Fury will be fav to beat Chisora and I think he should be but a fit Chisora has a great chance of beating him. The way you shite on youd think Chisora had no chance.

As long as Fury comes in fit and injury free it will pretty much be that way.

Fury was pushed in to a fight with an experienced English title holder just 8 months after turning pro. He gave him a rematch and knocked him out.

Johnson might not get the decision over Chisora but he certainly wont have an easier time against Johnson than Vitali did.

Anyway, Chisora isnt good, Scott is very good and better than all Furys opponents

Oh and scott is also better than Johnson

Scott would outbox Johnson as easy as Fury did.

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Whatever Ross I know Im right. Sure its not like anyone values your opinion anyway constantly hyping average fighters as all time greats.

No, no I havent.....

Iv mearly had the temerity to have an opinion that differs to the vast majority in this forum and had the courage to post it publicly and stick by my guns.

Iv never said hes the best around now let alone ever!

Its funny how such outlandish claims are made against my comments just so some posters can get other posters behind them. Youll notice that its never just "I think your wrong" its always "I think your wrong and so do this lot".

What I am saying is Fury is better than Chisora. Hes proven hes better than Chisora. Hes also proven hes better than Johnson and as a "very good fighter" Malik Scott said, Fury had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did. Malik Scott cant be better than Furys opponents seeing as one actually beat him and if Chisora has problems with Johnson it disproves this myth about Chisoras fitness being the major factor in his loss to Fury seeing as this is the new improved fit Chisora that wins the rematch.....

U are wrong and a retard

1. Danny Williams beat Tyson, Tyson beat Holmes aka Williams is better then Tyson and Hplmes.

2. Fury got a gift decision against McDermot after he was KOd in 1 in his prime by Matt Skelton. Matt Skelton must be better then Fury.

Your basing ur argument on something that hasnt happened, Johnson beating Chisora. U also cant seem to admit that Chisora was in awful shape in his fight with Fury which is why everyone thinks your a delusional fool. You constantly contradict yourself with your logic of how and why one fighter is better then the other but you only apply it to fighters you like. Just because I agree with the majority on this site about you and about Fury doesnt mean Im following the pack, Im just saying what I see and I happen to see it the way everyone else does. Everyone is biased to fighters they like but most of us try to be rational when talking about fighters. You dont seem to be able to do this and cannot accept any criticism to a fighter you like.

U also make up things people say, where or when did I say Chisora beats Fury? I havent argued that anywhere. All I have said is that in the 1st fight Chisora was in awful shape and gassed after 2 or 4 rounds. I also said I believe Scott is a better fighter then Johnson, Cunningham and the Chisora thay Fury faced. And by better fighter I mean better Heavyweight, Cunningham is a better fighter then Cunningham but at Heavyweight Scott wins. Im a boxing odds compiler so I know Fury will be fav to beat Chisora and I think he should be but a fit Chisora has a great chance of beating him. The way you shite on youd think Chisora had no chance.

As long as Fury comes in fit and injury free it will pretty much be that way.

Fury was pushed in to a fight with an experienced English title holder just 8 months after turning pro. He gave him a rematch and knocked him out.

Johnson might not get the decision over Chisora but he certainly wont have an easier time against Johnson than Vitali did.

Anyway, Chisora isnt good, Scott is very good and better than all Furys opponents

Oh and scott is also better than Johnson

I presume u dont bet then? And I presume u dont want to give me odds on Chisora beating Fury this year? Since he has no chance I presume ud happily give me 20/1?

Not a lot. I did a bit a few years ago.

What odds would you offer based on what you think of the two fighters right now?

[Silkeyjoe]

Whatever Ross I know Im right. Sure its not like anyone values your opinion anyway constantly hyping average fighters as all time greats.

No, no I havent.....

Iv mearly had the temerity to have an opinion that differs to the vast majority in this forum and had the courage to post it publicly and stick by my guns.

Iv never said hes the best around now let alone ever!

Its funny how such outlandish claims are made against my comments just so some posters can get other posters behind them. Youll notice that its never just "I think your wrong" its always "I think your wrong and so do this lot".

What I am saying is Fury is better than Chisora. Hes proven hes better than Chisora. Hes also proven hes better than Johnson and as a "very good fighter" Malik Scott said, Fury had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did. Malik Scott cant be better than Furys opponents seeing as one actually beat him and if Chisora has problems with Johnson it disproves this myth about Chisoras fitness being the major factor in his loss to Fury seeing as this is the new improved fit Chisora that wins the rematch.....

U are wrong and a retard

1. Danny Williams beat Tyson, Tyson beat Holmes aka Williams is better then Tyson and Hplmes.

2. Fury got a gift decision against McDermot after he was KOd in 1 in his prime by Matt Skelton. Matt Skelton must be better then Fury.

Your basing ur argument on something that hasnt happened, Johnson beating Chisora. U also cant seem to admit that Chisora was in awful shape in his fight with Fury which is why everyone thinks your a delusional fool. You constantly contradict yourself with your logic of how and why one fighter is better then the other but you only apply it to fighters you like. Just because I agree with the majority on this site about you and about Fury doesnt mean Im following the pack, Im just saying what I see and I happen to see it the way everyone else does. Everyone is biased to fighters they like but most of us try to be rational when talking about fighters. You dont seem to be able to do this and cannot accept any criticism to a fighter you like.

U also make up things people say, where or when did I say Chisora beats Fury? I havent argued that anywhere. All I have said is that in the 1st fight Chisora was in awful shape and gassed after 2 or 4 rounds. I also said I believe Scott is a better fighter then Johnson, Cunningham and the Chisora thay Fury faced. And by better fighter I mean better Heavyweight, Cunningham is a better fighter then Cunningham but at Heavyweight Scott wins. Im a boxing odds compiler so I know Fury will be fav to beat Chisora and I think he should be but a fit Chisora has a great chance of beating him. The way you shite on youd think Chisora had no chance.

As long as Fury comes in fit and injury free it will pretty much be that way.

Fury was pushed in to a fight with an experienced English title holder just 8 months after turning pro. He gave him a rematch and knocked him out.

Johnson might not get the decision over Chisora but he certainly wont have an easier time against Johnson than Vitali did.

Anyway, Chisora isnt good, Scott is very good and better than all Furys opponents

Oh and scott is also better than Johnson

I presume u dont bet then? And I presume u dont want to give me odds on Chisora beating Fury this year? Since he has no chance I presume ud happily give me 20/1?

Not a lot. I did a bit a few years ago.

What odds would you offer based on what you think of the two fighters right now?

If they were fighting this weekend in a 12 rounder presume Ive seen they are both in good shape Id quote around 4/11 Fury 28/1 the Draw and 2/1 Chisora. If I got 11/4 or bigger on Chisora Id back him. I give him between a 28 and 32% chance of beating Fury.