Cotto Vs. Martinez

[Silkeyjoe]

Martinez wins this easy for me if he's anywhere near the level of his last fight. His style is just wrong for Cotto. Canelo would be better for him I think. If Martinez wins and looks good I hope a fight with GGG happens.

[TitoFan]

Martinez wins this easy for me if he's anywhere near the level of his last fight. His style is just wrong for Cotto. Canelo would be better for him I think. If Martinez wins and looks good I hope a fight with GGG happens.

Objectively, I can't disagree.
Make a list of pluses and minuses for both sides, and the tally is a little one-sided.

- Martinez has a 6" reach advantage. That's huge.
- Martinez is naturally the bigger man. Cotto's optimum weight for his body type is 147. 154 was actually pushing the envelope.
- Martinez has faster hands than Cotto.
- Being a southpaw, Martinez has the natural advantage.

It's an uphill battle for Cotto. But that's the way he wants it. Either way, it's two HOF'ers going at it, with much respect between the two. This will be Cotto's biggest challenge to date.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Cotto is like 5 foot 6, going up to 160 pounds and fighting the best middle weight at this time... How are people already saying he's picking him at the right time cotto is 5FOOT6INCHES!!! People say mayweather is 2 small for 154 now how the hell can he be taller then cotto and to small for 154 but yet cotto goes to 154 and barely anyone says that he's to small for now he goes to 160 and no one is putting that into consideration. Tell me why isn't mayweather, manny, canelo, ggg, the other good middle weight (can't remember his name now), or any other top fighter not running at the opportunity to dethrone Martinez after his surgery's if he's done for? I get it people say cotto is catching him at the right time but he is the smallest person that could be fighting him other then manny and is getting shit on!? The truth is Martinez is the best middle weight right now and cotto is making his first fight at middle weight against the best middle weight out there. There is nothing cowardly about this.

A lot of people would disagree and suggest Golovkn is the best middleweight right now and few would give Cotto a chance vs him. Sergio hasn't impressed in a while and struggled with Murray but he is a title holder so it's a big fight.

Cotto deserves credit for taking this fight. Had Martinez looked his best in recent fights I don't think the fight would have been signed. Signs are it will happen, Cotto will make history picking up a MW title but it's a big gamble if Martinez isn't as washed up as he thinks he is because there's a chance his style could make Cotto look silly

I was ok with your thoughts until then. I mean maybe Martinez would not entertain fighting the prime Cotto either. It could have been made when Cotto was at 147 and he was at 54. Leonard perhaps would not have fought the Hagler pre his 3 year hiatus. One could make the case that Leonard waited him out. Armstrong most likely would not have fought Garcia at that time for the fractured mid title had he not seen something. Armstrong was just over 140 for the weigh in btw.

Boxing is as much about timing outside the ring with matchmaking as it is about inside the ring. That has played out throughout history and clearly plays out today. This is going to be a great fight.

Ps-I was a little ticked off when I learned earlier last week that one of the major stumbling blocks was whose name appears first on the billboard.

Actually, Martinez did call him out many times around 3 years ago at 154 but heard nothing but crickets from cotto's camp..

He was still traumatized from the margarito beating and was looking to rematch him at a catchweight of " 151 "..

Ha!

You stick out like a fly in a glass of milk with your Cotto hate... pretty much alone in this thread. You can't even disguise your hate... saying damned if he does... damned if he doesn't. Butt-hurt as all hell because he turned down Ginger Boy, when Ginger Boy has done NOTHING in his career but one good victory against a meek Austin Trout. If Cotto wins, it's not because he's good, but because he picked on an old, washed-up Martinez. If he loses... well... we all know you'll be first at the feeding frenzy line.

You know, you'd be more respected if you just came out and admitted your loathing of Cotto, instead of trying to sneak in comments about his loss to the cheating, disgraced Margarito and passing them off as some sort of boxing knowledge. I got your number, little boy.... a LONG TIME AGO.

My question to you is, and always HAS been......... where does Cotto stand in boxing today?
And where does Marga-cheato stand?

The defense rests.

You just dont like it when I speak the truth. What part of my post got you so flustered, Tito? Is it not true that Martinez called him out more than once few years ago? And didnt Cotto try to take advantage of Margarito by trying to sneak in a 151 CW demand?

He was reluctant to fight Margarito at an official weight of 154 but somehow he found the courage to face Martinez at 160.. lol how can you explain that? Cotto is like a hyenna who only preys on the weak and wounded.

To answer your question, Cotto today is a borderline Hall Of Famer because he lost too many big matchups, sort of like Mosley... But because of his star power, he'll get in...

Margarito is the guy who popped his cherry in the worst way, taking everything away from him including his glossy record, dignity, and manhood.. That's alot to take from a man dont you think..

Margarito didnt have the promotional backing of Cotto early in his career so he wasn't fortunate enough to get the proper fights but if Arum guided him from the start, he would definitely have got into the HOF...

Margarito, just like Orlando Salido, is a fighter who earned everything the hard way with no pampering, ducking, or none of that.. IN that sense, I have much more respect for a fighter like him than Cotto who came into the game with a silver spoon and his mouth and got pampered for years..

However you want to twist it, You can't change the fact that Margarito beat a young Martinez and shattered Cotto's dreams....

[Silkeyjoe]

Well Salido and Margarito do have being cheats in common.

[TitoFan]

Margarito didnt have the promotional backing of Cotto early in his career so he wasn't fortunate enough to get the proper fights but if Arum guided him from the start, he would definitely have got into the HOF...

Wrong. The HOF doesn't do convicted cheaters.

Cotto who came into the game with a silver spoon and his mouth and got pampered for years..

See... there's where your ignorance and hate comes spilling out for all to see. Silver spoon?? Pampered?? Take a look at Cotto's early record and list of opponents and then come back and tell me that again. Better yet...... don't.

Silver spoon and pampered are words that fit your two heroes: Junior and Canelo.
Don't use the words carelessly.

I try to shield you from looking ridiculous. But to no avail. You somehow manage to do it over and over and over again.

Class dismissed.
Come back tomorrow for another session in reality.

[IamInuit]

I admire Cotto for taking this fight, he is trying to make history but I like Martinez more. Both are at the end of their careers and deserve career high purses.

Martinez is smart money for sure. No doubt about it. If Cotto wins its an upset.

[IamInuit]

Cotto is like 5 foot 6, going up to 160 pounds and fighting the best middle weight at this time... How are people already saying he's picking him at the right time cotto is 5FOOT6INCHES!!! People say mayweather is 2 small for 154 now how the hell can he be taller then cotto and to small for 154 but yet cotto goes to 154 and barely anyone says that he's to small for now he goes to 160 and no one is putting that into consideration. Tell me why isn't mayweather, manny, canelo, ggg, the other good middle weight (can't remember his name now), or any other top fighter not running at the opportunity to dethrone Martinez after his surgery's if he's done for? I get it people say cotto is catching him at the right time but he is the smallest person that could be fighting him other then manny and is getting shit on!? The truth is Martinez is the best middle weight right now and cotto is making his first fight at middle weight against the best middle weight out there. There is nothing cowardly about this.

A lot of people would disagree and suggest Golovkn is the best middleweight right now and few would give Cotto a chance vs him. Sergio hasn't impressed in a while and struggled with Murray but he is a title holder so it's a big fight.

Cotto deserves credit for taking this fight. Had Martinez looked his best in recent fights I don't think the fight would have been signed. Signs are it will happen, Cotto will make history picking up a MW title but it's a big gamble if Martinez isn't as washed up as he thinks he is because there's a chance his style could make Cotto look silly

I was ok with your thoughts until then. I mean maybe Martinez would not entertain fighting the prime Cotto either. It could have been made when Cotto was at 147 and he was at 54. Leonard perhaps would not have fought the Hagler pre his 3 year hiatus. One could make the case that Leonard waited him out. Armstrong most likely would not have fought Garcia at that time for the fractured mid title had he not seen something. Armstrong was just over 140 for the weigh in btw.

Boxing is as much about timing outside the ring with matchmaking as it is about inside the ring. That has played out throughout history and clearly plays out today. This is going to be a great fight.

Ps-I was a little ticked off when I learned earlier last week that one of the major stumbling blocks was whose name appears first on the billboard.

I don't think the majority are that transparent and if they are just call them out. Should Cotto win e gets nothing but full respect. But equally is there any doubt at all that when-if Martinez beats Cotto into a bloody mess that he'll be slighted for beating a war torn jr middleweight who arguably hasn't had a high level win in years? People enter with biases and conveniently mold facts around them. But for some, its as clear as day what's at the core. Cotto is a soldier and no doubt about it but the way Martinez is being dismissed as a half conscious corpse with no legs is mind blowing.

Yup. It goes both ways. I chose not to take either. It is what it is. I'm not going to say that Cotto is the middleweight champion if he wins.

[TitoFan]

I don't think the majority are that transparent and if they are just call them out. Should Cotto win e gets nothing but full respect. But equally is there any doubt at all that when-if Martinez beats Cotto into a bloody mess that he'll be slighted for beating a war torn jr middleweight who arguably hasn't had a high level win in years? People enter with biases and conveniently mold facts around them. But for some, its as clear as day what's at the core. Cotto is a soldier and no doubt about it but the way Martinez is being dismissed as a half conscious corpse with no legs is mind blowing.

I spend so much time answering moronic posts, sometimes I miss some of the more objective, educated ones. Very good post, especially the bolded parts. BTW.... LOL at your description of how Martinez is being dismissed. Brought to mind sort of a boxing version of "Weekend at Bernie's".

[Silkeyjoe]

I don't think the majority are that transparent and if they are just call them out. Should Cotto win e gets nothing but full respect. But equally is there any doubt at all that when-if Martinez beats Cotto into a bloody mess that he'll be slighted for beating a war torn jr middleweight who arguably hasn't had a high level win in years? People enter with biases and conveniently mold facts around them. But for some, its as clear as day what's at the core. Cotto is a soldier and no doubt about it but the way Martinez is being dismissed as a half conscious corpse with no legs is mind blowing.

I spend so much time answering moronic posts, sometimes I miss some of the more objective, educated ones. Very good post, especially the bolded parts. BTW.... LOL at your description of how Martinez is being dismissed. Brought to mind sort of a boxing version of "Weekend at Bernie's".

Yea how Martinez is getting dismissed is ridiculous. No doubt hes not in his prime anymore but 2 fights ago he put on a boxing clinic v Chavez Jr and looked as good as ever in that fight.

[TitoFan]

I don't think the majority are that transparent and if they are just call them out. Should Cotto win e gets nothing but full respect. But equally is there any doubt at all that when-if Martinez beats Cotto into a bloody mess that he'll be slighted for beating a war torn jr middleweight who arguably hasn't had a high level win in years? People enter with biases and conveniently mold facts around them. But for some, its as clear as day what's at the core. Cotto is a soldier and no doubt about it but the way Martinez is being dismissed as a half conscious corpse with no legs is mind blowing.

I spend so much time answering moronic posts, sometimes I miss some of the more objective, educated ones. Very good post, especially the bolded parts. BTW.... LOL at your description of how Martinez is being dismissed. Brought to mind sort of a boxing version of "Weekend at Bernie's".

Yea how Martinez is getting dismissed is ridiculous. No doubt hes not in his prime anymore but 2 fights ago he put on a boxing clinic v Chavez Jr and looked as good as ever in that fight.

Exactly! And the reason he looked like crap against Murray is that he didn't give himself enough time to recover from the leg injury he suffered in the last round of that Chavez Jr. fight. Knowledgeable fans know that, as well as the fact that obviously Martinez is past his prime also.

But IMO, there's two distinct reason to overly dismiss Martinez at this point. One: truly a lack of boxing knowledge, where one mediocre showing is enough to write a fighter off. And two: it fits a certain, biased agenda. So if Cotto somehow wins.... he really beat a "crippled"..... how did Spicoli put it?..... "half conscious corpse with no legs."

[Silkeyjoe]

I don't think the majority are that transparent and if they are just call them out. Should Cotto win e gets nothing but full respect. But equally is there any doubt at all that when-if Martinez beats Cotto into a bloody mess that he'll be slighted for beating a war torn jr middleweight who arguably hasn't had a high level win in years? People enter with biases and conveniently mold facts around them. But for some, its as clear as day what's at the core. Cotto is a soldier and no doubt about it but the way Martinez is being dismissed as a half conscious corpse with no legs is mind blowing.

I spend so much time answering moronic posts, sometimes I miss some of the more objective, educated ones. Very good post, especially the bolded parts. BTW.... LOL at your description of how Martinez is being dismissed. Brought to mind sort of a boxing version of "Weekend at Bernie's".

Yea how Martinez is getting dismissed is ridiculous. No doubt hes not in his prime anymore but 2 fights ago he put on a boxing clinic v Chavez Jr and looked as good as ever in that fight.

Exactly! And the reason he looked like crap against Murray is that he didn't give himself enough time to recover from the leg injury he suffered in the last round of that Chavez Jr. fight. Knowledgeable fans know that, as well as the fact that obviously Martinez is past his prime also.

But IMO, there's two distinct reason to overly dismiss Martinez at this point. One: truly a lack of boxing knowledge, where one mediocre showing is enough to write a fighter off. And two: it fits a certain, biased agenda. So if Cotto somehow wins.... he really beat a "crippled"..... how did Spicoli put it?..... "half conscious corpse with no legs."

He did have to come from behind to beat Barker and Macklin and neither of them should be winning a round v a prime Martinez. So thats an argument towards him being shot. I think he got a bit frustrated by Murray. He wanted to put a show on in his home but Murray kept his guard high and didnt give Martinez much opportunities.

[IamInuit]

There is little doubt that Sergio is on the slide.
There is little doubt that Cotto is on the slide.
Both men are damaged goods.
Both men have done their time.
Cotto got his super fights.
Martinez has not.
Cotto is 5'7 with a 67 inch wingspan
Sergio is 5'10 with a 73 inch wingspan
So?
You can take Cotto's name and Martinezs out and put Hatton, Barbadoes Joe, Marciano, Burley, Langford etc etc in his place and many of their opponents in Sergios on a tale of the tape.

Those physical advantages are two of the most overblown in boxing. You see you first have to know how to use those attributes. Not many do. Just ask Paul Williams.

Most of this fight will be fought in or around the pocket because I dont think Sergio has the legs to play run and gun for 12 rounds.

Sergio may be shop worn but so is Cotto. He's not going to want to chase him for 36 minutes. He will most likely have hook happy Roach in the corner and that's the punch their camp will most likely be concentrating on. Specifically the short ones from inside. They have to risk it. Now the kicker for me is that Cotto is going to get hit buy a guy that can punch and will probably have 10 pounds on him water or not. But that too is common in this sport in every division above fly. I'm sure Roaches policy will be to stay frosty but get Sergio over the mid way point while making him work. Sergios will be to ensure that it does not go past the midway point. The fight would be a mismatch a few years ago and it still is but nowhere near the same degree.

I really like both guys but Cotto's my boy and its an uphill battle but its doable. Really looking forward to it and hope its officially announced soon. I'll have my el jibaro good luck charm at the ready.