Calzaghe dismisses Pavlik fight!

[Phil]

Am I the only one who thinks that Calzaghe may fight Jones then Pavlik?
If Calzaghe beats Jones I think he'll have one more fight against Pavlik then call it a day.

[CFH]

Am I the only one who thinks that Calzaghe may fight Jones then Pavlik?
If Calzaghe beats Jones I think he'll have one more fight against Pavlik then call it a day.

That would be a big mistake I think. JC is getting older and Pavlik is coming into his prime, the longer Calzaghe waits, the more his skills will erode while Pavlik improves and gains valuable experience. If Calzaghe is going to fight Pavlik, I think he's best served by doing it asap.

But, according to Joe, apparently Pavlik doesn't want to face Calzaghe. Though I wouldn't be surprised if Joe was just trying to drum up hype and demand for a fight with Pavlik.

[Phil]

Am I the only one who thinks that Calzaghe may fight Jones then Pavlik?
If Calzaghe beats Jones I think he'll have one more fight against Pavlik then call it a day.

That would be a big mistake I think. JC is getting older and Pavlik is coming into his prime, the longer Calzaghe waits, the more his skills will erode while Pavlik improves and gains valuable experience. If Calzaghe is going to fight Pavlik, I think he's best served by doing it asap.

But, according to Joe, apparently Pavlik doesn't want to face Calzaghe. Though I wouldn't be surprised if Joe was just trying to drum up hype and demand for a fight with Pavlik.

yeah this could be the case, he knows he's only a couple of fights left, so he'll want to be making as much money as possible, be great to have
Calzaghe- Jones with Pavlik - Froch on the same card!

[C-Lo]

Am I the only one who thinks that Calzaghe may fight Jones then Pavlik?
If Calzaghe beats Jones I think he'll have one more fight against Pavlik then call it a day.

I think it's a possibility. But that will just give Calzaghe fans more reason to say "he was shot by then" after Pavlik erases that undefeated record.

Beating Roy Jones won't do much for Joe's "legacy." Yes it is a huge name, but not right now. The best part of all this is Roy can beat Joe. Imagine if he did? I would actually love that more than Pavlik beating him because it puts a huge dent in his career. I guess I'm being bitter he delayed this Pavlik fight...Sorry, Calzaghe fans, I didn't mean harm by this. I'm just ranting now..

[littlebif]

I think if he beats Jones easy he will fight Pavlik but if he struggles he will call it a day.

[Wayne]

I think Jones has a really good chance of taking this fight. Awkward fighters don't bother him so much as strong fighters do. I mean, one awkward fighter against another is somewhat of a toss-up, don't you think? When Joe starts getting slappy with his punches in close with his guard wide open Roy turns into a surgeon with some precise shots in between a tight guard. I see Roy being hesitant per usual in the first few rounds and once he realizes Joe isn't hurting him he starts opening up, taxing his body until it looks like a fight that COULD go either way. Joe SHOULD win, but I don't know that he would.

[southakron314]

What a coward. He knows he hits harder than enyone he has ever faced. He is unrelenting and a very sound champion. Not to mention you can not stop the guy.

[southakron314]

I think if he beats Jones easy he will fight Pavlik but if he struggles he will call it a day.

Who cares. He should have called Jones out 8 years ago. But he didnt. Jones was too good and woulod have walked all over him.

[Violent Demise]

What a coward. He knows he hits harder than enyone he has ever faced. He is unrelenting and a very sound champion. Not to mention you can not stop the guy.

Agree 100%

[Phil]

What a coward. He knows he hits harder than enyone he has ever faced. He is unrelenting and a very sound champion. Not to mention you can not stop the guy.

If he was a coward he wouldn't have fought Lacy when everyone was saying he hits harder than anyone he's faced, and as for u can not stop the guy, if Taylor was a better finisher he would have, Calzaghe's never been hurt like Pavlik was.

[Violent Demise]

What a coward. He knows he hits harder than enyone he has ever faced. He is unrelenting and a very sound champion. Not to mention you can not stop the guy.

If he was a coward he wouldn't have fought Lacy when everyone was saying he hits harder than anyone he's faced, and as for u can not stop the guy, if Taylor was a better finisher he would have, Calzaghe's never been hurt like Pavlik was.

Calzaghe hits no where near as hard as Taylor does. Pavlik would have nothing to worry about with him.

[Phil]

What a coward. He knows he hits harder than enyone he has ever faced. He is unrelenting and a very sound champion. Not to mention you can not stop the guy.

If he was a coward he wouldn't have fought Lacy when everyone was saying he hits harder than anyone he's faced, and as for u can not stop the guy, if Taylor was a better finisher he would have, Calzaghe's never been hurt like Pavlik was.

Calzaghe hits no where near as hard as Taylor does. Pavlik would have nothing to worry about with him.

you never know, if Calzaghe gets off his combinations he could rock him, probably unlikley but Taylor's not a bigger puncher than Miranda its just about landing the right shot

[Kev]

From a legacy point of view of course Calzaghe wants to face Roy Jones.

If he fights and beats him then he's beaten America's best fighter of the past 20 years in Jones, and the most dominant in Hopkins.

You guys who say that Pavlik would be a bigger fight or a better name on his resume are deluded.

The only way Pavlik would be a big name is if he BEAT Joe.

If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory.

People have already dismissed his wins over Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins so why would it be any different if he beat Pavlik?

Like everyone here I'd love to see the fight, but clearly it makes far more sense for Joe to fight the biggest superstar in boxing of the past 20 years even if he is past his best.

Jones is a first ballot hall of famer, a boxing legend and a name that is guaranteed to go down in history.

Pavlik, if he lost to Calzaghe, would merely have been a belt holder.

It's a no brainer for Joe.

Bilbo, what are you on about now ? Seriously.

Legacy wise a win would have been huge over Jones if he actually had any legs and didn't look almost completely shot. I don't know, maybe there are some who will still think this would be some kind of big win. The fact that pretty much everyone here accepts that Pavlik would be a tougher fight says something though.

But the bigger problem with this post is you act like Pavlik is going to retire after the Calzaghe fight.

"If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory."

Is he never going to fight again You have no idea what Pavlik will accomplish after the Calzaghe fight. He may go on to have a few more good/great wins and legacy wise it will have just been that he lost to a better more experienced fighter in Calzaghe. And Calzaghe will be seen as having a very good win at the end of his career over a young, stong, prime fighter. Or maybe not, the point is you and I have no idea what Pavlik is going to do so to say that Calzaghe would have beat a guy who only beat Taylor is bizarre.

And the win over Lacy has been diminished because for one it was just such a mismatch (not the case with Kessler and Hopkins and hence they haven't been diminished as much) and two Lacy has looked horrible his last two fights against lesser opposition, give or take a shoulder problem.

What I'm saying is that Calzaghe, in wanting to fight Jones Jr is trying to cement his legacy with a win over a a proven Hall of Famer.

In the long run that IS what people will remember most.

Look at Lennox Lewis, his most famous wins are against past their primes Tyson and Holyfield. Aside from that he's famous for his two losses.

How many people remember Roberto Duran for his fine win over the unbeaten world champ Davy Moore?

How many people remember Trevor Berbick for anything other than his wins over Ali and his loss to Tyson?

When people think of Michael Spinks what do they think of? My guess is his distruction at the hands of Tyson and American fans will also remember his wins over Larry Holmes.

Beating an all time great DOES make your resume, whether the opponent is past his best or not.

Jones Jr was the undisputed best fighter on the planet for many years. He was a boxing superstar and is an absolute legend of the sport.

What fighter in the world wouldn't want to have his name on their resume?

So what that he's past his best he's still by far the biggest name in boxing from 160 to heavyweight.

To suggest that Calzaghe would benefit more from a fight with Pavlik is just absurd.

As has already been mentioned a fight with Pavlik couldn't even be sold as a PPV. A Jones Jr fight would be far bigger. It would make Calzahge more money. It would be the biggest fight on his resume by far.

Like you, I'd rather see him fight Pavlik, I think it would be a more competitive fight and more meaningful to the boxing situation right now, but if I was in Calzaghe's shoes without hesitation I'd want Roy Jones.

Pavlik thus far hasn't done anything. He's beaten Jermain Taylor twice but he's nowhere near being a Hall of Famer just yet. If Calzaghe beat him, and then he lost his next fight, then he was just a belt holder, yesterdays news.

Let me ask you this, should Calzaghe fight Jermain Taylor? Would that be a huge legacy defining win? We both know the answer is no. Taylor has been defeated twice by Pavlik, once by knockout and so is no longer considered the future of the middleweight division. A win over him wouldn't matter that much.

Well, if Calzaghe fought and defeated Pavlik, the situation would be no different. Pavlik's status would be restrospectively downgraded and people would just say he was a technically limited fighter.

That's why every fighter likes to fight a legend. A legend can't be 'exposed', they can't have their past exploits and glories erased, they have already achieved. They have already proven themselves and so a win over any of them is a big deal.

If Calzaghe beats Jones Jr it's in the history books, whether he was past his best or not.

Look through past history, the only names that stick in your memory regarding any fighter are their wins over big stars.

Who remembers Randy Turpin for something other than his win over Robinson?

Who rememebers Hector Camacho for something other than his win over Ray Leonard?

Iran Barkely is famous for his win over Hearns and loss to Duran.

I'm not talking about hardcore fans here, I'm talking about the general sporting fan's consciousness.

In the final analysis Calzaghe would be remembered MUCH MUCH MUCH more for a win over Roy Jones Jr than he would ove Kelly Pavlik.

[Phil]

From a legacy point of view of course Calzaghe wants to face Roy Jones.

If he fights and beats him then he's beaten America's best fighter of the past 20 years in Jones, and the most dominant in Hopkins.

You guys who say that Pavlik would be a bigger fight or a better name on his resume are deluded.

The only way Pavlik would be a big name is if he BEAT Joe.

If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory.

People have already dismissed his wins over Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins so why would it be any different if he beat Pavlik?

Like everyone here I'd love to see the fight, but clearly it makes far more sense for Joe to fight the biggest superstar in boxing of the past 20 years even if he is past his best.

Jones is a first ballot hall of famer, a boxing legend and a name that is guaranteed to go down in history.

Pavlik, if he lost to Calzaghe, would merely have been a belt holder.

It's a no brainer for Joe.

Bilbo, what are you on about now ? Seriously.

Legacy wise a win would have been huge over Jones if he actually had any legs and didn't look almost completely shot. I don't know, maybe there are some who will still think this would be some kind of big win. The fact that pretty much everyone here accepts that Pavlik would be a tougher fight says something though.

But the bigger problem with this post is you act like Pavlik is going to retire after the Calzaghe fight.

"If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory."

Is he never going to fight again You have no idea what Pavlik will accomplish after the Calzaghe fight. He may go on to have a few more good/great wins and legacy wise it will have just been that he lost to a better more experienced fighter in Calzaghe. And Calzaghe will be seen as having a very good win at the end of his career over a young, stong, prime fighter. Or maybe not, the point is you and I have no idea what Pavlik is going to do so to say that Calzaghe would have beat a guy who only beat Taylor is bizarre.

And the win over Lacy has been diminished because for one it was just such a mismatch (not the case with Kessler and Hopkins and hence they haven't been diminished as much) and two Lacy has looked horrible his last two fights against lesser opposition, give or take a shoulder problem.

What I'm saying is that Calzaghe, in wanting to fight Jones Jr is trying to cement his legacy with a win over a a proven Hall of Famer.

In the long run that IS what people will remember most.

Look at Lennox Lewis, his most famous wins are against past their primes Tyson and Holyfield. Aside from that he's famous for his two losses.

How many people remember Roberto Duran for his fine win over the unbeaten world champ Davy Moore?

How many people remember Trevor Berbick for anything other than his wins over Ali and his loss to Tyson?

When people think of Michael Spinks what do they think of? My guess is his distruction at the hands of Tyson and American fans will also remember his wins over Larry Holmes.

Beating an all time great DOES make your resume, whether the opponent is past his best or not.

Jones Jr was the undisputed best fighter on the planet for many years. He was a boxing superstar and is an absolute legend of the sport.

What fighter in the world wouldn't want to have his name on their resume?

So what that he's past his best he's still by far the biggest name in boxing from 160 to heavyweight.

To suggest that Calzaghe would benefit more from a fight with Pavlik is just absurd.

As has already been mentioned a fight with Pavlik couldn't even be sold as a PPV. A Jones Jr fight would be far bigger. It would make Calzahge more money. It would be the biggest fight on his resume by far.

Like you, I'd rather see him fight Pavlik, I think it would be a more competitive fight and more meaningful to the boxing situation right now, but if I was in Calzaghe's shoes without hesitation I'd want Roy Jones.

Pavlik thus far hasn't done anything. He's beaten Jermain Taylor twice but he's nowhere near being a Hall of Famer just yet. If Calzaghe beat him, and then he lost his next fight, then he was just a belt holder, yesterdays news.

Let me ask you this, should Calzaghe fight Jermain Taylor? Would that be a huge legacy defining win? We both know the answer is no. Taylor has been defeated twice by Pavlik, once by knockout and so is no longer considered the future of the middleweight division. A win over him wouldn't matter that much.

Well, if Calzaghe fought and defeated Pavlik, the situation would be no different. Pavlik's status would be restrospectively downgraded and people would just say he was a technically limited fighter.

That's why every fighter likes to fight a legend. A legend can't be 'exposed', they can't have their past exploits and glories erased, they have already achieved. They have already proven themselves and so a win over any of them is a big deal.

If Calzaghe beats Jones Jr it's in the history books, whether he was past his best or not.

Look through past history, the only names that stick in your memory regarding any fighter are their wins over big stars.

Who remembers Randy Turpin for something other than his win over Robinson?

Who rememebers Hector Camacho for something other than his win over Ray Leonard?

Iran Barkely is famous for his win over Hearns and loss to Duran.

I'm not talking about hardcore fans here, I'm talking about the general sporting fan's consciousness.

In the final analysis Calzaghe would be remembered MUCH MUCH MUCH more for a win over Roy Jones Jr than he would ove Kelly Pavlik.

another great post Bilbo, owe u rep when can

[uwey]

Lets see Pavlik vs. BUTE or Kessler. Supermiddle Kings. Calzaghe is one step above those 2 so let Pavlik earn it. Bute and Kessler are Monster fighters the will give Ghost a good one.