Simulated Pavlik Calzaghe fight. here is the result.

[Phil]

Maybe by you and fans with limited knowledge



I actually picked Calzaghe to embarrass Lacy. And he did. It's sad when you have to reduce yourself to lying. Poor kid.



Agreed

I have more boxing knowlege in my little toe-nail than you. Internet warrior who neg reps every comment he doesnt agree with. Your a class A prick and a hater you pick against fighters because you cant see beyond your hate which makes you about as stupid as they come. I see your prediction on Calkzaghe vs Pavlik about as accurate as your Calzaghe v Kessler pick.

If you train I hope you dont try to image Calzaghe. In a real fight that style is worthless and will get you broke. The man is a fairy. EVERYONE.....JOE CALZAGHE IS GIVING OUT FREE MUSTACHE RIDES TO THE FIRST 100 MEN IN VEGAS THIS JUNE . NO CUTTING IN LINE PHIL YOU HAVE TO WAIT WITH IN LINE MARKUSDARKUS. I trained at goodshep's for my most of my child hood and teen ages. Northeast Ohio. We know how to swat like Pavlik , Shavers , Arroyo , Mancinni and Lampkin. all from northeast ohio all great punchers.

great posting on the main page seriously dude if u just want to slag off Calzaghe u know where to do it, I quite enjoyed debating with u but now I realise your just a idiot. thats all.

[Markusdarkus]

Maybe by you and fans with limited knowledge



I actually picked Calzaghe to embarrass Lacy. And he did. It's sad when you have to reduce yourself to lying. Poor kid.



Agreed

I have more boxing knowlege in my little toe-nail than you. Internet warrior who neg reps every comment he doesnt agree with. Your a class A prick and a hater you pick against fighters because you cant see beyond your hate which makes you about as stupid as they come. I see your prediction on Calkzaghe vs Pavlik about as accurate as your Calzaghe v Kessler pick.

If you train I hope you dont try to image Calzaghe. In a real fight that style is worthless and will get you broke. The man is a fairy. EVERYONE.....JOE CALZAGHE IS GIVING OUT FREE MUSTACHE RIDES TO THE FIRST 100 MEN IN VEGAS THIS JUNE . NO CUTTING IN LINE PHIL YOU HAVE TO WAIT WITH IN LINE MARKUSDARKUS. I trained at goodshep's for my most of my child hood and teen ages. Northeast Ohio. We know how to swat like Pavlik , Shavers , Arroyo , Mancinni and Lampkin. all from northeast ohio all great punchers.

Ans thats why Ohio has produced fighters that have done what Calzaghe has?

What a tool you are.

[southakron314]

I have more boxing knowlege in my little toe-nail than you. Internet warrior who neg reps every comment he doesnt agree with. Your a class A prick and a hater you pick against fighters because you cant see beyond your hate which makes you about as stupid as they come. I see your prediction on Calkzaghe vs Pavlik about as accurate as your Calzaghe v Kessler pick.

If you train I hope you dont try to image Calzaghe. In a real fight that style is worthless and will get you broke. The man is a fairy. EVERYONE.....JOE CALZAGHE IS GIVING OUT FREE MUSTACHE RIDES TO THE FIRST 100 MEN IN VEGAS THIS JUNE . NO CUTTING IN LINE PHIL YOU HAVE TO WAIT WITH IN LINE MARKUSDARKUS. I trained at goodshep's for my most of my child hood and teen ages. Northeast Ohio. We know how to swat like Pavlik , Shavers , Arroyo , Mancinni and Lampkin. all from northeast ohio all great punchers.

great posting on the main page seriously dude if u just want to slag off Calzaghe u know where to do it, I quite enjoyed debating with u but now I realise your just a idiot. thats all.

Thanx. I really feel great about that from you. A true fan of the most sheltered champion of all time.
Calzaghe cant punch a hole in a wet paper bag.

[southakron314]

I have more boxing knowlege in my little toe-nail than you. Internet warrior who neg reps every comment he doesnt agree with. Your a class A prick and a hater you pick against fighters because you cant see beyond your hate which makes you about as stupid as they come. I see your prediction on Calkzaghe vs Pavlik about as accurate as your Calzaghe v Kessler pick.

If you train I hope you dont try to image Calzaghe. In a real fight that style is worthless and will get you broke. The man is a fairy. EVERYONE.....JOE CALZAGHE IS GIVING OUT FREE MUSTACHE RIDES TO THE FIRST 100 MEN IN VEGAS THIS JUNE . NO CUTTING IN LINE PHIL YOU HAVE TO WAIT WITH IN LINE MARKUSDARKUS. I trained at goodshep's for my most of my child hood and teen ages. Northeast Ohio. We know how to swat like Pavlik , Shavers , Arroyo , Mancinni and Lampkin. all from northeast ohio all great punchers.

Ans thats why Ohio has produced fighters that have done what Calzaghe has?

What a tool you are.

No Ohio fighter spent his prime as a paper champ ducking all the middle weight monsters of his early prime to mid prime era. So no Ohio fighters have not yet done that. Now in Wales it a diffrent story. He never fought a great p4p primed middleweight super middle weight in his life.

[ssss]

Pavlik will get the shit slapped out of him, Calzaghe too fast too much movement and just too good.

Calzaghe made a career out of big punching plodders that dont move back.

No just one and that was a overhyped Jeff Lacy.
Didnt Manfredo take him the distance. Wow Manfredo another one of Calzaghe
worthy opponets.

Lacy was more feared than Pavlik before the Calzaghe fight.

You talk shit maybe i should go on about Pavlik getting dropped heavily by a Welterweight

You need to get your facts straight first off if your on about Bronco McKart that was a shot to the shoulder and that shouldn't have been counted as a knockdown......

Kelly Pavlik's other knockdown was against Fulgencio Zuniga who is now Super Middleweight and is a big puncher and that wasn't a heavy knockdown that was a flash knockdown in the 1st round which is comparable to Joe Calzaghe's knockdown against Bernard Hopkins.......

Joe Calzaghe was more heavily knocked down against Kabary Salem who isn't a big puncher.

[C-Lo]

We need to all stop talking about Pavlik vs Calzaghe. This fight will not happen! Two words: "Roy Jones"

[Markusdarkus]

If you train I hope you dont try to image Calzaghe. In a real fight that style is worthless and will get you broke. The man is a fairy. EVERYONE.....JOE CALZAGHE IS GIVING OUT FREE MUSTACHE RIDES TO THE FIRST 100 MEN IN VEGAS THIS JUNE . NO CUTTING IN LINE PHIL YOU HAVE TO WAIT WITH IN LINE MARKUSDARKUS. I trained at goodshep's for my most of my child hood and teen ages. Northeast Ohio. We know how to swat like Pavlik , Shavers , Arroyo , Mancinni and Lampkin. all from northeast ohio all great punchers.

Ans thats why Ohio has produced fighters that have done what Calzaghe has?

What a tool you are.

No Ohio fighter spent his prime as a paper champ ducking all the middle weight monsters of his early prime to mid prime era. So no Ohio fighters have not yet done that. Now in Wales it a diffrent story. He never fought a great p4p primed middleweight super middle weight in his life.

First it was Calzaghe never beat anyone, then after he beat Lacy, Lacy was over-rated. So Joe then beats Kessler and people say but he isnt P4P so Joe beats Hopkins now people say he wasnt prime P4P. Can you see how stupid you sound. In 2002 Hopkins openly ducked Calzaghe who else was there for Calzaghe to fight?

Jerk.

[Markusdarkus]

No just one and that was a overhyped Jeff Lacy.
Didnt Manfredo take him the distance. Wow Manfredo another one of Calzaghe
worthy opponets.

Lacy was more feared than Pavlik before the Calzaghe fight.

You talk shit maybe i should go on about Pavlik getting dropped heavily by a Welterweight

You need to get your facts straight first off if your on about Bronco McKart that was a shot to the shoulder and that shouldn't have been counted as a knockdown......

Kelly Pavlik's other knockdown was against Fulgencio Zuniga who is now Super Middleweight and is a big puncher and that wasn't a heavy knockdown that was a flash knockdown in the 1st round which is comparable to Joe Calzaghe's knockdown against Bernard Hopkins.......

Joe Calzaghe was more heavily knocked down against Kabary Salem who isn't a big puncher.

Pavlik has been a pro 6yrs and down 3x by one bum and by a Welterweight. Calzaghe has been a pro 17yrs and be down 2 and a half time. Once by Mitchel a bomber of the highest order former world champion and Salem when Calzaghe got sloppy and was up at 1. I dont count the Hopkins knockdown as Joe was off balance and pushed Calzaghe has eaten 4x harder shots and smiled.

This Pavlik has a great chin, well i dont see it.

[AdamGB]

No just one and that was a overhyped Jeff Lacy.
Didnt Manfredo take him the distance. Wow Manfredo another one of Calzaghe
worthy opponets.

Lacy was more feared than Pavlik before the Calzaghe fight.

You talk shit maybe i should go on about Pavlik getting dropped heavily by a Welterweight

Pavlik and McCart. Funny .So you are saying that Bronco McKart hits harder than Edision Miranda. That was a slip dude.I seen the whole fight . All seven rounds of it. Your favorite fighter is a complete bitch inside the ring and out.His fans boo our nations anthem.If it was not for the USA you would not have a country. You would be speaking german right now. Show some class.Calzaghe hits like a 85 pound Korean gymnast. Calzaghe has made a career out of fighting crappy european fighters. Omar Shieka , that douche that does porn .....whats his name. Robin whatever. He fought one great who is quallified for social security and gets hurt and floored by him and your ready to lick his toes for it. That was the ugliest win ever. My favorite boxer does not try to anally rape a old man in the ring. He doesnt hit like a girl. And is all around tough. Not a welsh bullet dodger. Why didnt he call out Hopkins, Toney , Tarver , and Jones back in the day. He knew he would lose.

Do your fucking home work kid... the german's didn't want to risk going over the Channel and we fucked their shit up every time they tried to fly over our country. They basically didn't think that the reward outweighed the risk and gave up even thinking of invading us once we spanked their airforce. The germans used a tactic called blitzcrieg to invade a country... sap it from the air and storm it when it was weak... they couldn't weaken us.... read up on it

Now if you're talking about France that would be a different story... and I wouldnt put it past you seeing as you managed to confuse Hatton's fans (ie football fans) with Calzaghes fans... you even managed to confuse Mayweather with Hopkins because they happened on different fights...

you also can't remember the ref stepping in because Manfredo was clearly out of his depth and STOPPING the fight... not taking calzaghe the distance like you said.

Are you on something?

[Markusdarkus]

Lacy was more feared than Pavlik before the Calzaghe fight.

You talk shit maybe i should go on about Pavlik getting dropped heavily by a Welterweight

Pavlik and McCart. Funny .So you are saying that Bronco McKart hits harder than Edision Miranda. That was a slip dude.I seen the whole fight . All seven rounds of it. Your favorite fighter is a complete bitch inside the ring and out.His fans boo our nations anthem.If it was not for the USA you would not have a country. You would be speaking german right now. Show some class.Calzaghe hits like a 85 pound Korean gymnast. Calzaghe has made a career out of fighting crappy european fighters. Omar Shieka , that douche that does porn .....whats his name. Robin whatever. He fought one great who is quallified for social security and gets hurt and floored by him and your ready to lick his toes for it. That was the ugliest win ever. My favorite boxer does not try to anally rape a old man in the ring. He doesnt hit like a girl. And is all around tough. Not a welsh bullet dodger. Why didnt he call out Hopkins, Toney , Tarver , and Jones back in the day. He knew he would lose.

Do your fucking home work kid... the german's didn't want to risk going over the Channel and we fucked their shit up every time they tried to fly over our country. They basically didn't think that the reward outweighed the risk and gave up even thinking of invading us once we spanked their airforce. The germans used a tactic called blitzcrieg to invade a country... sap it from the air and storm it when it was weak... they couldn't weaken us.... read up on it

Now if you're talking about France that would be a different story... and I wouldnt put it past you seeing as you managed to confuse Hatton's fans (ie football fans) with Calzaghes fans... you even managed to confuse Mayweather with Hopkins because they happened on different fights...

you also can't remember the ref stepping in because Manfredo was clearly out of his depth and STOPPING the fight... not taking calzaghe the distance like you said.

Are you on something?

What about that European dude Omar Shieka you know the guy from NewYork who had just beat Glen Johnson you know NewYork Europe.

[ssss]

Lacy was more feared than Pavlik before the Calzaghe fight.

You talk shit maybe i should go on about Pavlik getting dropped heavily by a Welterweight

You need to get your facts straight first off if your on about Bronco McKart that was a shot to the shoulder and that shouldn't have been counted as a knockdown......

Kelly Pavlik's other knockdown was against Fulgencio Zuniga who is now Super Middleweight and is a big puncher and that wasn't a heavy knockdown that was a flash knockdown in the 1st round which is comparable to Joe Calzaghe's knockdown against Bernard Hopkins.......

Joe Calzaghe was more heavily knocked down against Kabary Salem who isn't a big puncher.

Pavlik has been a pro 6yrs and down 3x by one bum and by a Welterweight. Calzaghe has been a pro 17yrs and be down 2 and a half time. Once by Mitchel a bomber of the highest order former world champion and Salem when Calzaghe got sloppy and was up at 1. I dont count the Hopkins knockdown as Joe was off balance and pushed Calzaghe has eaten 4x harder shots and smiled.

This Pavlik has a great chin, well i dont see it.

Why do you keep saying Kelly Pavlik was knocked down by a Welterweight aka Brono McKart ? you haven't even seen the fight because if you had you would know it was a punch on the shoulder it wasn't a head shot and it shouldn't have been counted as a knockdown......

Fulgencio Zuniga is not a bum he has good punching power and is tough as nails sure he is not one of the top fighters but to call him a bum is highly disrespectful and that shows your knowledge on him........

Byron Mitchell a bomber of the highest order ? are you kidding me ? Byron Mitchell is really not that much better than Fulgencio Zungia he won the title beating a shot Frankie Liles and then went life and death with Manny Siaca twice and his only other claim to fame was losing close decision to Sven Ottke but who didn't ? atleast 9 of Sven Ottke's decisions shouldn't have gone his way Charles Brewer x2, Robin Reid, Mads Larsen, Thomas Tate 1, Glen Johnson, Rudy Markussen, David Starie, need i go on.......

How can you not count Joe Calzaghe's knockdown against Bernard Hopkins but you count Kelly Pavlik's knockdown against Fulgencio Zungia ? both knockdowns are similar both fighters were caught cold in the first round and both were quickly up and both were flash knockdowns..........

And Joe Calzaghe was heavily dropped by Kabary Salem that was no flash knockdown and you could see by his face expression that he was shook up im not saying it wasn't lucky because yes he did trap Kabary Salem in the corner and Kabary Salem just swung a right hand out of desperation but still Kabary Salem is no puncher and he dropped Joe Calzaghe pretty heavily on the canvas..........

I think both men have good chins but i wouldn't say either fighter possesses a granite like chin and even if you think Kelly Pavlik hasn't got a good chin it isn't really going to come into play against Joe Calzaghe is it ? who hasn't been a banger in years i think it comes more down to how will Joe Calzaghe's chin stand up to Kelly Pavlik's bombs at his age and remember even though Joe Calzaghe has fought some good opposition he has never really fought a fighter with Kelly Pavlik's power but thats my opinion.

[JonnyFolds]

I have read most of this thread... And I have to say. It is pretty funny. But you guys need to chill a little. taking shots at each other like that.

[C-Lo]

It gets like that every now and then, especially when the debate is about people's favorite fighter.

ssss probably ended this debate with that post. Nice job!

[Markusdarkus]

You need to get your facts straight first off if your on about Bronco McKart that was a shot to the shoulder and that shouldn't have been counted as a knockdown......

Kelly Pavlik's other knockdown was against Fulgencio Zuniga who is now Super Middleweight and is a big puncher and that wasn't a heavy knockdown that was a flash knockdown in the 1st round which is comparable to Joe Calzaghe's knockdown against Bernard Hopkins.......

Joe Calzaghe was more heavily knocked down against Kabary Salem who isn't a big puncher.

Pavlik has been a pro 6yrs and down 3x by one bum and by a Welterweight. Calzaghe has been a pro 17yrs and be down 2 and a half time. Once by Mitchel a bomber of the highest order former world champion and Salem when Calzaghe got sloppy and was up at 1. I dont count the Hopkins knockdown as Joe was off balance and pushed Calzaghe has eaten 4x harder shots and smiled.

This Pavlik has a great chin, well i dont see it.

Why do you keep saying Kelly Pavlik was knocked down by a Welterweight aka Brono McKart ? you haven't even seen the fight because if you had you would know it was a punch on the shoulder it wasn't a head shot and it shouldn't have been counted as a knockdown......

Fulgencio Zuniga is not a bum he has good punching power and is tough as nails sure he is not one of the top fighters but to call him a bum is highly disrespectful and that shows your knowledge on him........

Byron Mitchell a bomber of the highest order ? are you kidding me ? Byron Mitchell is really not that much better than Fulgencio Zungia he won the title beating a shot Frankie Liles and then went life and death with Manny Siaca twice and his only other claim to fame was losing close decision to Sven Ottke but who didn't ? atleast 9 of Sven Ottke's decisions shouldn't have gone his way Charles Brewer x2, Robin Reid, Mads Larsen, Thomas Tate 1, Glen Johnson, Rudy Markussen, David Starie, need i go on.......

How can you not count Joe Calzaghe's knockdown against Bernard Hopkins but you count Kelly Pavlik's knockdown against Fulgencio Zungia ? both knockdowns are similar both fighters were caught cold in the first round and both were quickly up and both were flash knockdowns..........

And Joe Calzaghe was heavily dropped by Kabary Salem that was no flash knockdown and you could see by his face expression that he was shook up im not saying it wasn't lucky because yes he did trap Kabary Salem in the corner and Kabary Salem just swung a right hand out of desperation but still Kabary Salem is no puncher and he dropped Joe Calzaghe pretty heavily on the canvas..........

I think both men have good chins but i wouldn't say either fighter possesses a granite like chin and even if you think Kelly Pavlik hasn't got a good chin it isn't really going to come into play against Joe Calzaghe is it ? who hasn't been a banger in years i think it comes more down to how will Joe Calzaghe's chin stand up to Kelly Pavlik's bombs at his age and remember even though Joe Calzaghe has fought some good opposition he has never really fought a fighter with Kelly Pavlik's power but thats my opinion.

Im replying to someone claiming that Pavlik has this all mighty chin. Well he was knocked down by a guy who started his career at 147lbs and is about 6" shorter than Pavlik. And again Calzaghes chin will easily hold up to Pavliks shots. Pavlik is a middleweight and in his one fight at 166 hardly looked powerful. Calzaghe has been in with much bigger men who put more than a one-two together.

Time will tell what will happen and like i said i like Pavlik its when his fans say Calzaghe has no chin or Calzaghe hasnt beat anyone i argue back. Then it becomes them just name calling not being able to back anything they say up.

And as for chins Calzaghe has been down 3x in 16yrs against 168lb fighters, Pavlik has been down 3x in 6yrs against Middleweights.

[Mar]

Everyone and sadly this means everyone has the right to thier own opinion, what race, the state thier from, what color underwear a boxer wears has absolutly nothing to do with anything. There are certian places that produce more than others but to bring that up in a boxing disucussion always is a tactic of someone who "A" spends to much time on myspace or "B" has limited boxing knowledge to argue a point like an adult. Not pointing fingers at anyone cause i stopped reading when the discussion got away from boxing but just my opinion. How can someone be wrong about a fight that hasn't even been made and hell has a chance of not even happening. Joe could catch pavlik in the first 30 seconds of the first round for all we know and Ko him cold, nothing is impossible....unlikely but not impossible everyone has a right to thier own belief no matter how wrong they may seem. Wanna prove em wrong bet money, sig, anything but calling names and net bangin only proves....well you know. Now here's my opnion back to the topic of boxing, i see it as a mosquito against a bear, the mosquito could stay outside irritatingly stinging for 12 rounds and win but if the bear catches him, it could be good night real quick. I'd pick pavlik by KO myself but who knows.....i did smoke a morning bowl earlier.