Calzaghe/Hopkins

[Greig]

Just watched this again on Youtube and it was so nice to see Calzaghe beat him.

As much as you have to respect Hopkins for how good a fighter he was, and how good a fighter he still is - he really is a classless piece of shit times. I mean, he LOST that fight quite clearly IMO, and he couldn't even so much as give Calzaghe an ounce of credit.

He used his head like a battering ram, shamelessly stalled for time after two soft, unintentional low blows, then threw several of his own intentionally when Cortez was blind sided and he generally fought in a 'one punch-clinch' pattern the whole night...

If Hopkins had even a speck of grace he'd be one of my favourite all time fighters.

[Hornfinger]

Yeah that fight really did show what a dirty cheating bastard hopkins is.

[rjj tszyu]

Don't expect anything else from him though. He's only ever admitted he was beaten once and that was against Jones, now he has seen Jones is totally shot he wants to get revenge? If the rematch had happened when he had just beaten Trinidad then fair enough Roy had just given Gonzalez a beating he would never forget (and never fully recoverd from) and was a better fighter than the one handed man that comfortably beat him in 1993 and quite simply would have schooled Hopkins again. But now unless Roy turns back the clock somewhat miraculously this fight is a foregone conclusion.

I was never a big Calzaghe fan but seeing him beat Hopkins is quite satisfying now!

[Gandalf]

Totally agree with you Greig.

It was a horrible fight, but Calzaghe was winning handily enough by the end. It was a very awkward first few rounds though. Hopkins was beyond the pale when it came to his dirty tactics. Like you say the head was everywhere, loads of clinching and faking pain from low blows just to buy time was disgusting. Hopkins should have had points taken away in that fight.

[Jimmy G-Force]

I thought Joe deserved the nod for his will to force the fight, and that fact he deserved the moral victory due to Hopkins and his cynical actions throughout the fight. On a boxing level though, I thought Hopkins made Joe look a good few levels below him technique wise. Hopkins was by far the cuter fighter, but as he has throughout his career, he just tried to do just enough to win, and without question, cheat.

[porkypara]

Hopkins had to use all his dirty tricks just to stay in the fight.


Also Cortez let him get away with all his rough stuff but he took points off Hatton for doing a lot less in his fight against Mayweather.

[Fenster]

I don't think Hopkins regards his cheating as wrong, he has no shame about it whatsoever. I believe he sees conning and tricking refs/judges/fans as a sign of his intelligence, experience and guile.

If Hopkins had got Calzaghe chucked out he would have proudly heralded it as his greatest ever triumph. No doubt.

[BoxingChaos]

Just watched this again on Youtube and it was so nice to see Calzaghe beat him.

As much as you have to respect Hopkins for how good a fighter he was, and how good a fighter he still is - he really is a classless piece of shit times. I mean, he LOST that fight quite clearly IMO, and he couldn't even so much as give Calzaghe an ounce of credit.

He used his head like a battering ram, shamelessly stalled for time after two soft, unintentional low blows, then threw several of his own intentionally when Cortez was blind sided and he generally fought in a 'one punch-clinch' pattern the whole night...

If Hopkins had even a speck of grace he'd be one of my favourite all time fighters.

If you watch a bunch of Calzaghe's old fights, you will see a pattern. A lot of the opponents he face were dirty and ruthless in the ring. I give credit to Joe C for fighting these guys. Just watch some of them old fights of his and you will be shocked at how dirty these son of bitches can be in the ring. I am not against dirty or ruthless, these are fights and you want to win, so it shows their competitive spirit if you will

[Pugilistic]

People always seem to disregard how dirty Calzaghe actually was in that fight.

He was throwing low blows and rabbit punches throughout the whole fight. He even admitted to hitting Hopkins low in the 2nd round because he got knocked down.

Calzaghe Says Low Blow Against Hopkins Deliberate!!! on Boxing Daily

Hopkins was dirty but Calzaghe was no better.

This fight had no clear winner, Calzaghe was sloppy and inaccurate and Hopkins was over cautious. You either had Hopkins winning because he landed the cleaner harder punches or you had Calzaghe winning because he threw more and controlled the tempo.

I can agree with majority favoring Calzaghe because he controlled the tempo of the right later on, but it wasn't a clear win.

[Mattyhitman]

People always seem to disregard how dirty Calzaghe actually was in that fight.

He was throwing low blows and rabbit punches throughout the whole fight. He even admitted to hitting Hopkins low in the 2nd round because he got knocked down.

Calzaghe Says Low Blow Against Hopkins Deliberate!!! on Boxing Daily

Hopkins was dirty but Calzaghe was no better.

This fight had no clear winner, Calzaghe was sloppy and inaccurate and Hopkins was over cautious. You either had Hopkins winning because he landed the cleaner harder punches or you had Calzaghe winning because he threw more and controlled the tempo.

I can agree with majority favoring Calzaghe because he controlled the tempo of the right later on, but it wasn't a clear win.

LOL, I wondered when ya would get involved in this one bud.

Thing is would Joe have been as dirty IF Hopkins fought a clean fight ?

I doubt it, Joe is not a dirty fighter by nature, he simply responded to what was happening to him

Joe won this fight by a landslide

[Pugilistic]

People always seem to disregard how dirty Calzaghe actually was in that fight.

He was throwing low blows and rabbit punches throughout the whole fight. He even admitted to hitting Hopkins low in the 2nd round because he got knocked down.

Calzaghe Says Low Blow Against Hopkins Deliberate!!! on Boxing Daily

Hopkins was dirty but Calzaghe was no better.

This fight had no clear winner, Calzaghe was sloppy and inaccurate and Hopkins was over cautious. You either had Hopkins winning because he landed the cleaner harder punches or you had Calzaghe winning because he threw more and controlled the tempo.

I can agree with majority favoring Calzaghe because he controlled the tempo of the right later on, but it wasn't a clear win.

LOL, I wondered when ya would get involved in this one bud.

Thing is would Joe have been as dirty IF Hopkins fought a clean fight ?

I doubt it, Joe is not a dirty fighter by nature, he simply responded to what was happening to him

Joe won this fight by a landslide

No, probably not. Thats the thing though, being dirty is apart of Hopkins style.

The thing with the thread starter is, he criticize's Hopkins for being dirty and totally ignores the fact that Joe fought dirty himself. It's just unfair.

The only thing clear about that fight was that it was shit to watch.

[Mattyhitman]

People always seem to disregard how dirty Calzaghe actually was in that fight.

He was throwing low blows and rabbit punches throughout the whole fight. He even admitted to hitting Hopkins low in the 2nd round because he got knocked down.

Calzaghe Says Low Blow Against Hopkins Deliberate!!! on Boxing Daily

Hopkins was dirty but Calzaghe was no better.

This fight had no clear winner, Calzaghe was sloppy and inaccurate and Hopkins was over cautious. You either had Hopkins winning because he landed the cleaner harder punches or you had Calzaghe winning because he threw more and controlled the tempo.

I can agree with majority favoring Calzaghe because he controlled the tempo of the right later on, but it wasn't a clear win.

LOL, I wondered when ya would get involved in this one bud.

Thing is would Joe have been as dirty IF Hopkins fought a clean fight ?

I doubt it, Joe is not a dirty fighter by nature, he simply responded to what was happening to him

Joe won this fight by a landslide

No, probably not. Thats the thing though, being dirty is apart of Hopkins style.

The thing with the thread starter is, he criticize's Hopkins for being dirty and totally ignores the fact that Joe fought dirty himself. It's just unfair.

The only thing clear about that fight was that it was shit to watch.

True

[Fenster]

People always seem to disregard how dirty Calzaghe actually was in that fight.

He was throwing low blows and rabbit punches throughout the whole fight. He even admitted to hitting Hopkins low in the 2nd round because he got knocked down.

Calzaghe Says Low Blow Against Hopkins Deliberate!!! on Boxing Daily

Hopkins was dirty but Calzaghe was no better.

This fight had no clear winner, Calzaghe was sloppy and inaccurate and Hopkins was over cautious. You either had Hopkins winning because he landed the cleaner harder punches or you had Calzaghe winning because he threw more and controlled the tempo.

I can agree with majority favoring Calzaghe because he controlled the tempo of the right later on, but it wasn't a clear win.

LOL, I wondered when ya would get involved in this one bud.

Thing is would Joe have been as dirty IF Hopkins fought a clean fight ?

I doubt it, Joe is not a dirty fighter by nature, he simply responded to what was happening to him

Joe won this fight by a landslide

No, probably not. Thats the thing though, being dirty is apart of Hopkins style.

The thing with the thread starter is, he criticize's Hopkins for being dirty and totally ignores the fact that Joe fought dirty himself. It's just unfair.

The only thing clear about that fight was that it was shit to watch.

That's because it's like pointing out Riddick Bowe threw a low blow after Golota unleashed the third combo on his goolies.

[The Fightfan]

I was a really big fan of B-Hop until this fight. Right from the get go with the racial slurs and all the jabberin. He talked so much shit you thought he was going to literally kill Calzaghe. But in the end it seemed to be an old beaten fighter.The low blows were a joke and that alone made me think alot less of B-Hop. I mean Christ did the one low blow even hit Hopkins? It looked like Joe's glove grazed his cup, an open glove at that.

[BoxingChaos]

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