Who is 'Greater' on the all-time list SRL or RJJ?

[BIG H]

Interested to see your views.

[Otley]

Interested to see your views.

Maybe cause you are stupid and you have asked a very stupid question

job biscuit (stupid boy)!!!

eh eh!!!

[LukeH]

I think Leonard has a greater resume, which i percieve greatness to be about.

For me they would be alot closer if you were talking about which one was the better fighter out of the two rather than their respective 'greatness' if that makes any sense.

[BIG H]

I think Leonard has a greater resume, which i percieve greatness to be about.

For me they would be alot closer if you were talking about which one was the better fighter out of the two rather than their respective 'greatness' if that makes any sense.

Complete sense and exactly my thoughts too.

[Dropanuke]

Compare the number of belts they both had and the amount of weight divisions they've had success in

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Compare the number of belts they both had and the amount of weight divisions they've had success in

I think belts and weightclasses are superficial in relation to the level of talent that a fighter faces.

Fair play to both of em though, they both made substantial climbs in weight.

[ICB]

Interested to see your views.

SRL fought better opposition, but RJJ fought alot longer at the top. I think had RJJ retired after the John Ruiz fight he could of been higher IMO, i think the losses have hurt his legacy.

[ElTerribleMorales]

in terms of natural talent and athletic ability I say they're even, but Leonard has the better resume and not just on paper

he went 36 (25 KOs) with only 3 losses 2 coming at the end of his career, with wins over the likes of Benitez, Duran, Hearns, and Hagler, that alone is better than anyone that Jones beat, and Jones didn't just beat up on bums, both guys are great in their own right but IMO Leonard takes the cake

[ICB]

in terms of natural talent and athletic ability I say they're even, but Leonard has the better resume and not just on paper

he went 36 (25 KOs) with only 3 losses 2 coming at the end of his career, with wins over the likes of Benitez, Duran, Hearns, and Hagler, that alone is better than anyone that Jones beat, and Jones didn't just beat up on bums, both guys are great in their own right but IMO Leonard takes the cake

It comes down to quality or quantity, but im just going to stir the pot here a little. But does it matter that SRL got gift decisions vs Hearns, Hagler ?

[Spicoli]

I'd go with Leonard. I think he actually liked to fight. He traded with greats and the company he kept in peak era says alot.

[erics44]

Jones was unbeatable leonard wasnt


Leonard boxed in an era where there were no hws with any marketting pull so he and his weight classes got more exposure and therefore will always leave a bigger legacy and will more often get the vote

[BIG H]

Interested to see your views.

SRL fought better opposition, but RJJ fought alot longer at the top. I think had RJJ retired after the John Ruiz fight he could of been higher IMO, i think the losses have hurt his legacy.

Yep absoluitely - same as Tyson's have. But, as you know, these losses shouldn't be considered, the same way as nobody doubts Ali's prime, just because he losts to Spinks and Berbwick.

[ICB]

Interested to see your views.

SRL fought better opposition, but RJJ fought alot longer at the top. I think had RJJ retired after the John Ruiz fight he could of been higher IMO, i think the losses have hurt his legacy.

Yep absoluitely - same as Tyson's have. But, as you know, these losses shouldn't be considered, the same way as nobody doubts Ali's prime, just because he losts to Spinks and Berbwick.

You know i was looking at that Greg Page vs Mike Tyson sparring footage again, before the Buster Douglas fight. This one had a bit more footage and Greg Page easily hits Mike Tyson, with a solid right hand and seems to be troubling him, before the knockdown.

Im just wondering was it how good Buster Douglas was, or how bad Mike Tyson was. I actually think a motivated Witherspoon, Page, would of upset Mike Tyson that night aswell.

Because both were making comebacks in the 90's, and actually got motivated again. And both fighters always had a sturdy chin and very good natural ability, more so than Douglas IMO.