Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

[rjj tszyu]

it really isnt when your 300pounds and yet have about as much punch power behind you as paulie malignaggi

Who exactly as nikolay valuev ever steam rollered through to suggest a david haye loss would be an unfortunate occurance rather than the actual realisation of a very average fighter

Right.. so you are saying Valuev's size is no advantage to him?

Haye hasn't got a great chin. I'm sure even a light punching 300lb man can hurt him.

Very average fighters don't win world amateur medals and top it up by turning pro to become undisputed champion of a division.

they do when it's an incredibly weak division lol hell both Judah and Spinks were undisputed welterweight champions, and neither are worth shit

I actually think Judah was a class act at 140, just 147 was too big for him IMO.

[killersheep]

Right.. so you are saying Valuev's size is no advantage to him?

Haye hasn't got a great chin. I'm sure even a light punching 300lb man can hurt him.

Very average fighters don't win world amateur medals and top it up by turning pro to become undisputed champion of a division.

they do when it's an incredibly weak division lol hell both Judah and Spinks were undisputed welterweight champions, and neither are worth shit

I actually think Judah was a class act at 140, just 147 was too big for him IMO.

He was all class at 147 as well, unfortunately only for the first 6 rounds of his fights.

[Fenster]

are you seriously that dense? yea Holyfield was special cause he had a stronger MENTAL BUILD UP than most fighters out there period, it had nothing to do with his physical build up, so if physically he could have a GREAT RUN against GREAT OPPOSITION why the hell should "size" hold Haye down, especially seeing how he's oh so talented

Says the kid that is still judging Haye by the incredible elite standard set by the great Evander Holyfield.

coming from the guy who says that Haye will only lose cause of a size disadvantage, and not the fact that he's utter garbage with a big mouth

So Haye is utter garbage (with a big mouth ).

Judah and Spinks are shit.

Anyone that can't emulate Evander Holyfield is garbage.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Says the kid that is still judging Haye by the incredible elite standard set by the great Evander Holyfield.

coming from the guy who says that Haye will only lose cause of a size disadvantage, and not the fact that he's utter garbage with a big mouth

So Haye is utter garbage (with a big mouth ).

Judah and Spinks are shit.

Anyone that can't emulate Evander Holyfield is garbage.

you keep going around in circles yet don't put any real reason to why Haye is a special exception and should be given the excuse of him being too small, yet guys like Ruiz, Chagaev, Imbragimov, Brewster, and even Tua don't get the same sympathy, say whatever makes you feel better, but you're talking out your ass Fenster, and that is FACT

[Kirkland Laing]

It's in Germany. Haye needs a knockout just to get a draw over there. FACT.

[Fenster]

coming from the guy who says that Haye will only lose cause of a size disadvantage, and not the fact that he's utter garbage with a big mouth

So Haye is utter garbage (with a big mouth ).

Judah and Spinks are shit.

Anyone that can't emulate Evander Holyfield is garbage.

you keep going around in circles yet don't put any real reason to why Haye is a special exception and should be given the excuse of him being too small, yet guys like Ruiz, Chagaev, Imbragimov, Brewster, and even Tua don't get the same sympathy, say whatever makes you feel better, but you're talking out your ass Fenster, and that is FACT

You're making yourself look stupid. Who said Haye should get a special exception?

Ruiz, Chagaev, Imbragimov, Brewster and Tua are proven heavyweights, right? They have had dozens of fights at heavyweight.

Haye started out at cruiserweight. He's had one fight at heavyweight since leaving the cruiserweight divison.

Valuev is 10 inches taller and 100lb heavier. That is a HUGE size advantage, no? So if Valuev beats Haye his SIZE will be a factor.

How the fuck is that hard to understand? Seriously....

[ElTerribleMorales]

So Haye is utter garbage (with a big mouth ).

Judah and Spinks are shit.

Anyone that can't emulate Evander Holyfield is garbage.

you keep going around in circles yet don't put any real reason to why Haye is a special exception and should be given the excuse of him being too small, yet guys like Ruiz, Chagaev, Imbragimov, Brewster, and even Tua don't get the same sympathy, say whatever makes you feel better, but you're talking out your ass Fenster, and that is FACT

You're making yourself look stupid. Who said Haye should get a special exception?

Ruiz, Chagaev, Imbragimov, Brewster and Tua are proven heavyweights, right? They have had dozens of fights at heavyweight.

Haye started out at cruiserweight. He's had one fight at heavyweight since leaving the cruiserweight divison.

Valuev is 10 inches taller and 100lb heavier. That is a HUGE size advantage, no? So if Valuev beats Haye his SIZE will be a factor.

How the fuck is that hard to understand? Seriously....

you're right Haye's unproven as a HW, so then why the fuck has he been lined up for already 3 goddam title shots?

and apart from maybe the Klitschko's everyone is smaller than the damn Sasquatch, yet 3 other fighters (Ruiz, Chagaev, Holyfield) all handled him very well, you keep saying that Haye's lack of experience is gonna play a roll but experience and SIZE don't have anything to do with the other, he doesn't have much experience at the weight and he SHOULDN'T be getting a title shot, but he is, and if he crumbles it's not cause he wasn't PHYSICALLY able, do i have to spell it out in lights for you with big flashing arrows for you to kinda get the picture?

other small heavies have dealt with him fine, and regardless of his experience at the division he's already built up to a heavyweight and isn't killing himself to get into shape, oh wait he's coming off a back injury

[Fenster]

you keep going around in circles yet don't put any real reason to why Haye is a special exception and should be given the excuse of him being too small, yet guys like Ruiz, Chagaev, Imbragimov, Brewster, and even Tua don't get the same sympathy, say whatever makes you feel better, but you're talking out your ass Fenster, and that is FACT

You're making yourself look stupid. Who said Haye should get a special exception?

Ruiz, Chagaev, Imbragimov, Brewster and Tua are proven heavyweights, right? They have had dozens of fights at heavyweight.

Haye started out at cruiserweight. He's had one fight at heavyweight since leaving the cruiserweight divison.

Valuev is 10 inches taller and 100lb heavier. That is a HUGE size advantage, no? So if Valuev beats Haye his SIZE will be a factor.

How the fuck is that hard to understand? Seriously....

you're right Haye's unproven as a HW, so then why the fuck has he been lined up for already 3 goddam title shots?

and apart from maybe the Klitschko's everyone is smaller than the damn Sasquatch, yet 3 other fighters (Ruiz, Chagaev, Holyfield) all handled him very well, you keep saying that Haye's lack of experience is gonna play a roll but experience and SIZE don't have anything to do with the other, he doesn't have much experience at the weight and he SHOULDN'T be getting a title shot, but he is, and if he crumbles it's not cause he wasn't PHYSICALLY able, do i have to spell it out in lights for you with big flashing arrows for you to kinda get the picture?

other small heavies have dealt with him fine, and regardless of his experience at the division he's already built up to a heavyweight and isn't killing himself to get into shape, oh wait he's coming off a back injury

The reason he's got the title shot is - he's young and exciting and willing to take the money they offered and seen as BEATABLE by both Klits and Valuev.

It's not rocket science, for fucks sake. Your problem should be with Valuev and the Klits for giving him the shot not Haye for taking it.

I've not said a thing about Haye's "lack of experience." I'm purley talking about size difference.

If a man is 10 inches taller and 100lb heavier he has a SIZE advantage that will be a factor in a fight. Simple as.

[johnmaff36]

Depends if Haye can fight for 3mins of every round. If so, and hes ok with his stamina, then its possible he can beat him cos Valuev aint no great shakes. HOWEVER, i question Hayes ability to fight for 12rounds, 3mins a round so my £10 will be on a Valuev win in R10. Or thereabouts. Like to see Haye win as theres a side to him that our American friends have yet to see. Seems like a nice enough guy. Forget all the shouting and shit, thats all to sell tickets.

[killersheep]

Depends if Haye can fight for 3mins of every round. If so, and hes ok with his stamina, then its possible he can beat him cos Valuev aint no great shakes. HOWEVER, i question Hayes ability to fight for 12rounds, 3mins a round so my £10 will be on a Valuev win in R10. Or thereabouts. Like to see Haye win as theres a side to him that our American friends have yet to see. Seems like a nice enough guy. Forget all the shouting and shit, thats all to sell tickets.

I don't know that term, what does it mean?

[ElTerribleMorales]

as i said earlier, a win over Valuev proves jack shit, right now Sasquatch should have 4 losses on his record (Ruiz-Twice, Chagaev-only guy to get credit and the nod, and Holyfield-the dinosaur schooled him), he's more a freak show than he is a champion, and that's why Haye's taking him on

[WelshDevilRob]

Haye wins this fight - Of that I'm certain. Nothing against 'Big' Nikolai but he is going to have a frightening shock when Hayes super fast bombs hit him from all angles.

I can see Haye doing the moving back and around the ring like Chagaev - keeping out of harms way and then landing a few eye catching shots every round. (without any real commitment to engage) The thing is Haye will hit harder and quicker than Chagaev ever could.

It's gonna be interesting to see how both men handle getting hit - Haye is largely untested at this weight while there aren't really any noted hitters on Valuev's resume.

Both have been out of the ring for approximately a year and the effect could be worse on Haye who relies more on his speed and reflexes than Valuev.

I know Haye has tried to get under the skin of Valuev but I don't think it will work - the man will just fight his usual fight - no surprises. It's up to Haye to have a game plan and execute it and bring a Plan B.

Valuev isn't easy to beat - the sheer size of him causes problems. I do think Haye will KO him but I expect the first few rounds to be pretty quiet. When Haye hurts him in those middle rounds - he will finish him off.

I expect to feel the tremors in my living room in Wales.

[rjj tszyu]

as i said earlier, a win over Valuev proves jack shit, right now Sasquatch should have 4 losses on his record (Ruiz-Twice, Chagaev-only guy to get credit and the nod, and Holyfield-the dinosaur schooled him), he's more a freak show than he is a champion, and that's why Haye's taking him on

I think Haye's taking him on because he needs experience against a big man before he goes for a Klit, Valuev is shit yes but he holds the WBA belt, which when all is said and done is the oldest of all the alphabets and is the one that all the ATG's like Marciano, Louis etc held. Not trying to say it holds any water anymore but it would give him something to use in any negotiating next time he's in talks with the Klits. Lets face it when he signed to fight Wlad the terms were ridiculous, he had to fight both brothers in 3 rematches if he took Wlads belts.

[Dark Lord Al]

as i said earlier, a win over Valuev proves jack shit, right now Sasquatch should have 4 losses on his record (Ruiz-Twice, Chagaev-only guy to get credit and the nod, and Holyfield-the dinosaur schooled him), he's more a freak show than he is a champion, and that's why Haye's taking him on

I think Haye's taking him on because he needs experience against a big man before he goes for a Klit, Valuev is shit yes but he holds the WBA belt, which when all is said and done is the oldest of all the alphabets and is the one that all the ATG's like Marciano, Louis etc held. Not trying to say it holds any water anymore but it would give him something to use in any negotiating next time he's in talks with the Klits. Lets face it when he signed to fight Wlad the terms were ridiculous, he had to fight both brothers in 3 rematches if he took Wlads belts.

All that means nothing , because John Ruiz also held it twice , and he is totally shit.
Fact Haye is going for Valuev cos he is the weakest of the champions.

[johnmaff36]

as i said earlier, a win over Valuev proves jack shit, right now Sasquatch should have 4 losses on his record (Ruiz-Twice, Chagaev-only guy to get credit and the nod, and Holyfield-the dinosaur schooled him), he's more a freak show than he is a champion, and that's why Haye's taking him on

I think Haye's taking him on because he needs experience against a big man before he goes for a Klit, Valuev is shit yes but he holds the WBA belt, which when all is said and done is the oldest of all the alphabets and is the one that all the ATG's like Marciano, Louis etc held. Not trying to say it holds any water anymore but it would give him something to use in any negotiating next time he's in talks with the Klits. Lets face it when he signed to fight Wlad the terms were ridiculous, he had to fight both brothers in 3 rematches if he took Wlads belts.

Having read the first half of your first sentence, are you accusing Haye of being some kinda sexual deviant?