Pacquiao talking bollox....

[The Promoter]

I guess if you don't understand drug testing, steroids or want to believe anything PBF says Manny does look guilty...

The people who do know about drug testing like the head of the USADA, who's forgotten more than you and me put together know about testing, says it's quite possible Manny is a juicer and that scheduled as opposed to random testing is a total waste of time. There are various links to his interviews in the previous threads on this. I'm going to go with the guy who knows what he's talking about on this one.

Absolutely, we agree the USADA is a good testing agency. The USADA refers to what Floyd wants as the "gold standard". Unfortunately, that "gold standard" can test for literally thousands of substances set for by whatever the agency is requesting those tests. The USADA is even applauding PBF's contractual demands for such testing as it will mean even more relevance for them. Here lies the issues; who is going to maintain blood year round for comparative blood doping tests? Who is going to set the standards for hormonal level thresholds or what are banned or controlled substances for boxing? With Steroids, HGH, Narcotics that's an easy answer but Will Xylocaine like PBF uses be illegal? Will testosterone boosters be illegal, Creatine? Does PBF get to dictate what is and isn't illegal? Now, today boxing drug testing is a joke we all can agree to that and the ultimate goal is to have a good standard in place. The testing that I mentioned in earlier posts can basically be done on any genetic material and like any testing you have to target specific substances, and their levels. The DoD uses very stringent test based on the methods I described for urinalysis. Since they are testing Pilots and people with critical and dangerous professions these tests have lower thresholds than even the IOC. As you can see there are alternatives to blood testing beyond what Manny P. feels comfortable with, so why not use these?

DOD Urinalysis (Drug Test) Cutoff Levels)
Drug
Screening Level (Nanograms per milliliter)
Confirmation Level (Nanograms per milliliter)
THC (Marijuana)
50 NG/ML
15 NG/ML
Cocaine
150 NG/ML
100 NG/ML
Opiates:


Morphine
2000 NG/ML
4000 NG/ML
Codeine
2000 NG/ML
2000 NG/ML
Heroin (6 MAM)
300 NG/ML
10 NG/NL
Amphetamines
500 NG/ML
500 NG/ML
Methamphetamine
500 NG/ML
500 NG/ML
MDA/MDMA (Ecstasy)
500 NG/ML
500 NG/ML
Barbiturates (Amobarbital, butalbital, Pentobarbital, Secobarbital)
200 NG/ML
200 NG/ML
PCP
25 NG/ML
25 NG/ML
LSD
.5 NG/ML
0.2 NG/ML

Drug Detection Windows
Drug
Detection Windows
THC (Marijuana)
1-3 Weeks*
Cocaine
2-4 Days
Amphetamines
2 Days
Barbiturates
1-2 Days
Opiates`
1-2 Days
PCP
5-7 Days
LSD
1-2 Days
Steroids
3 Days or Longer**
Notes:
* Longer than 3 weeks is indicative of chronic or heavy use.
** Length of detection determined by type and duration of use.
Information Courtesy of Department of Defense, the United States Navy, and the Manual for Courts-Martial


Don't misunderstand my argument of Manny being clean, he may be dirty for all I know. BUT, PBF's all or nothing approach to this matter is clearly a case of him trying to get into Manny's head more than him trying to do what right for the sport. There are other ways to test athletes even contrary to USADA.

Sorry for the previous table mess:

[The Promoter]

Information Courtesy of Department of Defense, the United States Navy, and the Manual for Courts-Martial

Link please, thank you

NP...about.com has the best summary with links for further investigation but I included other links as well if you are that bored

DOD (Military) Urinalysis (Drug Test) Program
www.jag.navy.mil/documents/mcm2008.pdf
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/c...df/101001p.pdf
Department of Defense (DOD) Drug Tests

[DaxxKahn]

I guess if you don't understand drug testing, steroids or want to believe anything PBF says Manny does look guilty...

The people who do know about drug testing like the head of the USADA, who's forgotten more than you and me put together know about testing, says it's quite possible Manny is a juicer and that scheduled as opposed to random testing is a total waste of time. There are various links to his interviews in the previous threads on this. I'm going to go with the guy who knows what he's talking about on this one.

Absolutely, we agree the USADA is a good testing agency. The USADA refers to what Floyd wants as the "gold standard". Unfortunately, that "gold standard" can test for literally thousands of substances set for by whatever the agency is requesting those tests. The USADA is even applauding PBF's contractual demands for such testing as it will mean even more relevance for them. Here lies the issues; who is going to maintain blood year round for comparative blood doping tests? Who is going to set the standards for hormonal level thresholds or what are banned or controlled substances for boxing? With Steroids, HGH, Narcotics that's an easy answer but Will Xylocaine like PBF uses be illegal? Will testosterone boosters be illegal, Creatine? Does PBF get to dictate what is and isn't illegal? Now, today boxing drug testing is a joke we all can agree to that and the ultimate goal is to have a good standard in place. The testing that I mentioned in earlier posts can basically be done on any genetic material and like any testing you have to target specific substances, and their levels. The DoD uses very stringent test based on the methods I described for urinalysis. Since they are testing Pilots and people with critical and dangerous professions these tests have lower thresholds than even the IOC. As you can see there are alternatives to blood testing beyond what Manny P. feels comfortable with, so why not use these?

DOD Urinalysis (Drug Test) Cutoff Levels)
Drug
Screening Level (Nanograms per milliliter)
Confirmation Level (Nanograms per milliliter)
THC (Marijuana)
50 NG/ML
15 NG/ML
Cocaine
150 NG/ML
100 NG/ML
Opiates:


Morphine
2000 NG/ML
4000 NG/ML
Codeine
2000 NG/ML
2000 NG/ML
Heroin (6 MAM)
300 NG/ML
10 NG/NL
Amphetamines
500 NG/ML
500 NG/ML
Methamphetamine
500 NG/ML
500 NG/ML
MDA/MDMA (Ecstasy)
500 NG/ML
500 NG/ML
Barbiturates (Amobarbital, butalbital, Pentobarbital, Secobarbital)
200 NG/ML
200 NG/ML
PCP
25 NG/ML
25 NG/ML
LSD
.5 NG/ML
0.2 NG/ML

Drug Detection Windows
Drug
Detection Windows
THC (Marijuana)
1-3 Weeks*
Cocaine
2-4 Days
Amphetamines
2 Days
Barbiturates
1-2 Days
Opiates`
1-2 Days
PCP
5-7 Days
LSD
1-2 Days
Steroids
3 Days or Longer**
Notes:
* Longer than 3 weeks is indicative of chronic or heavy use.
** Length of detection determined by type and duration of use.
Information Courtesy of Department of Defense, the United States Navy, and the Manual for Courts-Martial


Don't misunderstand my argument of Manny being clean, he may be dirty for all I know. BUT, PBF's all or nothing approach to this matter is clearly a case of him trying to get into Manny's head more than him trying to do what right for the sport. There are other ways to test athletes even contrary to USADA.

I can care less about the whole Manny Vs Floyd thing or debate but just to ring in on the steroid issue itself....

Unless a person takes steroids/enhancers to an extended period of time they will not have an effect on performance......You can't take them once or only before the fight etc.....

There has to bee an extended amount of time for them to take full effect....so the 1 or 2 even 3 weeks to start them and use them to gain an advantage is no really very practical...so the olympic style testing 2 weeks before then fight would certainly expose the use even a month before would show traces

[:::PSL:::]

The people who do know about drug testing like the head of the USADA, who's forgotten more than you and me put together know about testing, says it's quite possible Manny is a juicer and that scheduled as opposed to random testing is a total waste of time. There are various links to his interviews in the previous threads on this. I'm going to go with the guy who knows what he's talking about on this one.

Absolutely, we agree the USADA is a good testing agency. The USADA refers to what Floyd wants as the "gold standard". Unfortunately, that "gold standard" can test for literally thousands of substances set for by whatever the agency is requesting those tests. The USADA is even applauding PBF's contractual demands for such testing as it will mean even more relevance for them. Here lies the issues; who is going to maintain blood year round for comparative blood doping tests? Who is going to set the standards for hormonal level thresholds or what are banned or controlled substances for boxing? With Steroids, HGH, Narcotics that's an easy answer but Will Xylocaine like PBF uses be illegal? Will testosterone boosters be illegal, Creatine? Does PBF get to dictate what is and isn't illegal? Now, today boxing drug testing is a joke we all can agree to that and the ultimate goal is to have a good standard in place. The testing that I mentioned in earlier posts can basically be done on any genetic material and like any testing you have to target specific substances, and their levels. The DoD uses very stringent test based on the methods I described for urinalysis. Since they are testing Pilots and people with critical and dangerous professions these tests have lower thresholds than even the IOC. As you can see there are alternatives to blood testing beyond what Manny P. feels comfortable with, so why not use these?

DOD Urinalysis (Drug Test) Cutoff Levels)
Drug
Screening Level (Nanograms per milliliter)
Confirmation Level (Nanograms per milliliter)
THC (Marijuana)
50 NG/ML
15 NG/ML
Cocaine
150 NG/ML
100 NG/ML
Opiates:


Morphine
2000 NG/ML
4000 NG/ML
Codeine
2000 NG/ML
2000 NG/ML
Heroin (6 MAM)
300 NG/ML
10 NG/NL
Amphetamines
500 NG/ML
500 NG/ML
Methamphetamine
500 NG/ML
500 NG/ML
MDA/MDMA (Ecstasy)
500 NG/ML
500 NG/ML
Barbiturates (Amobarbital, butalbital, Pentobarbital, Secobarbital)
200 NG/ML
200 NG/ML
PCP
25 NG/ML
25 NG/ML
LSD
.5 NG/ML
0.2 NG/ML

Drug Detection Windows
Drug
Detection Windows
THC (Marijuana)
1-3 Weeks*
Cocaine
2-4 Days
Amphetamines
2 Days
Barbiturates
1-2 Days
Opiates`
1-2 Days
PCP
5-7 Days
LSD
1-2 Days
Steroids
3 Days or Longer**
Notes:
* Longer than 3 weeks is indicative of chronic or heavy use.
** Length of detection determined by type and duration of use.
Information Courtesy of Department of Defense, the United States Navy, and the Manual for Courts-Martial


Don't misunderstand my argument of Manny being clean, he may be dirty for all I know. BUT, PBF's all or nothing approach to this matter is clearly a case of him trying to get into Manny's head more than him trying to do what right for the sport. There are other ways to test athletes even contrary to USADA.

Sorry for the previous table mess:

Corey Haim took 'em all at the same time.

[cleveland steamer]

The drug test was just a smokescreen PERIOD. A duck. Floyd never wanted the fight. Within the first two weeks or so of the "negotiations" 2 people affiliated with Golden Boy (Bernard Hopkins) and Mayweather (George Peterson) spoke out and pretty much said that the fight wasnt going to happen. Why do you ask? Why would Floyd not want to make 25-40 million dollars? Because he knew(after watching Pac/Cotto) that he had a very real chance at losing, so he was protecting his "moneymaker" which would be his severely overrated "0". Because once the "0" is gone then what else would he have to sell? Because he surely cant sell his ability to entertain and excite people in the ring thats for damn sure. Step back and look at the big picture instead of bickering over "he said this" or "he said that" bullshit.

[DaxxKahn]

The drug test was just a smokescreen PERIOD. A duck. Floyd never wanted the fight. Within the first two weeks or so of the "negotiations" 2 people affiliated with Golden Boy (Bernard Hopkins) and Mayweather (George Peterson) spoke out and pretty much said that the fight wasnt going to happen. Why do you ask? Why would Floyd not want to make 25-40 million dollars? Because he knew(after watching Pac/Cotto) that he had a very real chance at losing, so he was protecting his "moneymaker" which would be his severely overrated "0". Because once the "0" is gone then what else would he have to sell? Because he surely cant sell his ability to entertain and excite people in the ring thats for damn sure. Step back and look at the big picture instead of bickering over "he said this" or "he said that" bullshit.

Damn we got us an ALT here!!!!

[Chino]

The drug test was just a smokescreen PERIOD. A duck. Floyd never wanted the fight. Within the first two weeks or so of the "negotiations" 2 people affiliated with Golden Boy (Bernard Hopkins) and Mayweather (George Peterson) spoke out and pretty much said that the fight wasnt going to happen. Why do you ask? Why would Floyd not want to make 25-40 million dollars? Because he knew(after watching Pac/Cotto) that he had a very real chance at losing, so he was protecting his "moneymaker" which would be his severely overrated "0". Because once the "0" is gone then what else would he have to sell? Because he surely cant sell his ability to entertain and excite people in the ring thats for damn sure. Step back and look at the big picture instead of bickering over "he said this" or "he said that" bullshit.

Damn we got us an ALT here!!!!

Naaaah, he's just new to the forum and haven't read about all the things Pac and his team demanded from Floyd and how Floyd just asked for that blood test. Bet he has not heard of the silly contradicting excuses Pac and his team, including Bob Arum, have said. I wouldn't be surprised if they all laugh about how creative they seem to be and how the journalists buy that crap and point fingers at Floyd instead.

Cleaveland Steamer,
Welcome to the forum dude. There are lots of threads out there talking about these topics. Have fun!

[DaxxKahn]

The drug test was just a smokescreen PERIOD. A duck. Floyd never wanted the fight. Within the first two weeks or so of the "negotiations" 2 people affiliated with Golden Boy (Bernard Hopkins) and Mayweather (George Peterson) spoke out and pretty much said that the fight wasnt going to happen. Why do you ask? Why would Floyd not want to make 25-40 million dollars? Because he knew(after watching Pac/Cotto) that he had a very real chance at losing, so he was protecting his "moneymaker" which would be his severely overrated "0". Because once the "0" is gone then what else would he have to sell? Because he surely cant sell his ability to entertain and excite people in the ring thats for damn sure. Step back and look at the big picture instead of bickering over "he said this" or "he said that" bullshit.

Damn we got us an ALT here!!!!

Naaaah, he's just new to the forum and haven't read about all the things Pac and his team demanded from Floyd and how Floyd just asked for that blood test. Bet he has not heard of the silly contradicting excuses Pac and his team, including Bob Arum, have said. I wouldn't be surprised if they all laugh about how creative they seem to be and how the journalists buy that crap and point fingers at Floyd instead.

Cleaveland Steamer,
Welcome to the forum dude. There are lots of threads out there talking about these topics. Have fun!

He just seemed to have some serious dislike for Floyd...But hey I really cant blame him I have had similar feelings toward several fighters.........