UK - Council and European Election

[Beanz]

Miles get your head out of your arse you would not last 5 minutes as a single Mother and stop fucking condemning everyone you judgemental cunt. You were apparently brought up by a single Mother so have some respect and stop assuming everyone but you is a sponger. My Brother in law did History and Politics at Uni like you and he is an insufferable prick too.

[Gandalf]

So there we go, Breenbeanz gives in to ad hoc personal attacks as egged on by Lyle, who hasn't made a meaningful post since coming back. There is a reason I am not a single parent and it is because I take responsibility for my actions. If more people did so, then the UK could actually be a place with lower taxes and a more just system. I condemn all who make the most terrible personal choices and potentially fuck with the lives of innocent young people in a society that will most likely continue the cycles of poverty and misery. Marriages go wrong and fair enough, but my concern is where there has never been marriage, the woman has never worked, and still breeds. It is a British problem and the 'rewards' need to be extinguished. If you have never contributed then how can you make claims on the state? It's wrong.

I respect all people who make sensible decisions, plan their lives, and try to get ahead, but in truth it is very hard in England because at the top the spongers don't pay taxes, or are the monarchy, or Dave's banking mates, then at the bottom swathes of people who are bone idle. Everyone else works hard but is screwed as they are paying for the top and the bottom. That is where I am not socialist at all. I am a libertarian, with a few arguments for some core nationalisation. It isn't socialism by any traditional measure, it's a policy of reducing government and taxes, and saying get off your arses. I don't think you should pay for the idleness of others. And as for immigrants then skimming basic wages down, it is criminal that there is even a debate on the issue. Nobody cares for the hard working Brits.

I have to say that I am disappointed with your last two posts Greenbeanz which have been cuntish. You have nothing left to argue and so it boils down to miles has no empathy and is a cunt and Kirkland too. You never sit down to think why you are the lone voice in threads like this. It is you who lack the judgment.

[Beanz]

The reason you have never been a single parent Miles is contrary to all evidence you are actually a man with no womb. Therefore you are highly unlikely to be abandoned by your philandering seed spreading boyfriend. I have a friend who is a single parent and they have worked throughout their childs life because they work in Education with a creche on site. They are also a man.

You are so very predictable and hypocritical. Can you really believe any of the vile nonsense and bile that you spout ? The swathes of people at the bottom who are bone idle are as well as being a vastly exaggerated group to which you as a non UK resident contribute fuck all, are not the biggest percentage of the real struggling poor in this country. The people who really need help are the working poor, because contrary to your self aggrandising and myopic stupid view of my country, MOST people want to work and single parent or not try their hardest to make it pay. You are not a libertarian you are a bigot.

"The woman has never worked and still breeds.." what the fuck is that supposed to mean. That men bear no responsibility? That every women is a sponger ? that being a mother and working are mutually exclusive? Every time you make such an insensitive broad sweeping ignorant elitist statement you put yourself firmly in the camp of the out of touch career politician not the common working man.

I am not the only lone voice in threads like these and even if I were it would not be because I lack judgement. I will not be party to blowing smoke up your arse because you think you are some kind of expert and above the need for common decency or logical reasoning. Do you realise the amount of leeway and allowances people make for you because they think you are a bit of a character or have mental health issues?

The thread is about UK council and European elections. You do not reside in the UK. You do not vote in the UK and you do not pay tax in the UK. So why for fucks sake do you think it is OK to turn the thread into a soap box upon which you can stand and lecture UK taxpaying residents who have voted in the recent elections on what needs to be done to turn England back into the fictional crusty stuffy shit hole of your waffy yah yah youth?

I am glad the England I live in now is different to the one of my youth. I am happy to be able to live in a far more enlightened culture that which I grew up in, in the 1970's. When I was a kid wine was for Middle class families unless you meant Blue Nun and Garlic for the French. There were skinheads who went to my local youth club who ignorantly hated people they called "wogs" who actually created the haircut and Ska music that they were listening to, way before 1977, back in the 1950's . Any Asian with dark skin was routinely called Paki even though most were Indian and provided us with our national dish. Even you with your penchant for fast food would have had to put up with Wimpy which was shit.

Today on the local news they returned a 250 year old torah scroll to the Jewish community in Cornwall from the museum in which it was kept and Yids like me have actually been here in this country for hundreds of years before that. Lending money which Christians would not to set up businesses around which English communities sprang up. So the idea that all immigration is a negative thing is abhorrent to me.

Not once have I said that there is no problem with Immigration. Not once have I said that all our power and legal decisions should be governed by the EU. Not once have I said that people who vote UKIP are racist. And yet you and Kirkland have both made sweeping statements about England and Immigrants as though the solution to everbodies woes was to throw everyone out and turn back the clock as though Immigration in all it's guises had never happened.

You have never acknowledged anything positive about Europe, immigration or the resilience of the British people who pull up their socks and carry on despite the difficulties they face. It's just all negative bollocks not unlike UKIP's campaign and that way leads to nothing but blame, division and the elite at the top continuing to shit on everyone else.

[Master]

What Greenbeanz said.

European bureaucracy is bad and adds another layer of waste which only really supports multinationals and politicians. Immigration will happen even if it was not there but at least better checked.

[Kirkland Laing]

Kirkland you are full of yourself and even fuller of shit. My personal experience of Immigrants form Eastern Europe on a one to one level is my friend from Lithuania who came here about 5 years ago and now has built his one man business up to the point that he now employs three English people, two of whom he trained up from promising unemployed artists into fully qualified and highly skilled tattoo artists.

You will dismiss that as not representative of most Eastern European immigrants but the point is you and Miles are suggesting that all Immigration is about taking benefits and jobs not creating them and paying taxes. You are clearly just presenting one side of a much more complex argument.

Personal experiences aren't relevant. The plural of anecdote is not data. Even a lefty organisation (either Unison or the GMB or one of the big unions) recently published a report saying that uncontrolled immigration compresses wages and cuts earnings of those at the lower end of the scale by about 15%. (It's actually a bit more than that.)



I'm not against immigration. I'm fine with it. It's just that immigration should be controlled and regulated by the government so it doesn't destroy the earning capabilities of existing Brits. We should only let in the numbers of people we actually need and not swamp the market with vast amounts of unskilled and semi-skilled labour that reduces income for the majority of the population, greatly increases competition for housing, employment, healthcare, education and other social services.

And we should definitely not let anybody in that there isn't a job for or who can't support themselves straight away. And all the current parties after these elections now agree with that(or at least say they do). They just can't enforce it as it's against European law. We're not allowed to control immigration or our own borders and that's the main reason why UKIP won last week.

[Kirkland Laing]

Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

yes those are issues - but just the same as what Al highlights you knobrot. All real issues

I was out in Leeds late other night and was shocked at the number on the streets in town centre just lined up in shop doorways. Enough

The rest and most of them are doing low paid jobs that most people on benefits do not want to do such as cleaning toilets, working in care homes and doing night shifts.

So you make the people on the dole do those job for fucks sake , you change the system , if an immigrant is on a low income he doesn't even pay tax , and we give his family and him health care and education , for fucks sake do the fucking maths .

Do you see me write aggressively, getting emotional, swearing and calling you names?

Reality is the immigrants work for below the minimum wage which is why people are benefits do not take them as they are better off on benefits. They are here because they can earn a better standard of living here than over there. Yes they use the NHS and some commit crimes but where they can they contribute to our culture, society and the economy, as will their children and subsequent generation.

The thing is the "contribute to society" bit is normally a contribution to big and small business profits. It's great for business and the country's GDP but not so great for the people already living in the country as they face increased competition for work, housing, access to school places, healthcare and other social services.

"Contribute to society" is just a mantra repeated by politicians who are just a bunch of corporate servants, saying what they're told to say by the people who fund their parties.

It is also a real concept, they pay taxes, play a role in the community as do we all. Why should it not be different for them and their children?

It's a case of balancing the positives and negatives of immigration. Right now all the positives accrue to a tiny minority of the existing population while all the negatives fall on the vast majority of the existing population.

[Master]

Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

yes those are issues - but just the same as what Al highlights you knobrot. All real issues

I was out in Leeds late other night and was shocked at the number on the streets in town centre just lined up in shop doorways. Enough

The rest and most of them are doing low paid jobs that most people on benefits do not want to do such as cleaning toilets, working in care homes and doing night shifts.

So you make the people on the dole do those job for fucks sake , you change the system , if an immigrant is on a low income he doesn't even pay tax , and we give his family and him health care and education , for fucks sake do the fucking maths .

Do you see me write aggressively, getting emotional, swearing and calling you names?

Reality is the immigrants work for below the minimum wage which is why people are benefits do not take them as they are better off on benefits. They are here because they can earn a better standard of living here than over there. Yes they use the NHS and some commit crimes but where they can they contribute to our culture, society and the economy, as will their children and subsequent generation.

The thing is the "contribute to society" bit is normally a contribution to big and small business profits. It's great for business and the country's GDP but not so great for the people already living in the country as they face increased competition for work, housing, access to school places, healthcare and other social services.

"Contribute to society" is just a mantra repeated by politicians who are just a bunch of corporate servants, saying what they're told to say by the people who fund their parties.

It is also a real concept, they pay taxes, play a role in the community as do we all. Why should it not be different for them and their children?

It's a case of balancing the positives and negatives of immigration. Right now all the positives accrue to a tiny minority of the existing population while all the negatives fall on the vast majority of the existing population.

The positives come when their children get educated and earn good salaries and they pay taxes.

[Gandalf]

The reason you have never been a single parent Miles is contrary to all evidence you are actually a man with no womb. Therefore you are highly unlikely to be abandoned by your philandering seed spreading boyfriend. I have a friend who is a single parent and they have worked throughout their childs life because they work in Education with a creche on site. They are also a man.

You are so very predictable and hypocritical. Can you really believe any of the vile nonsense and bile that you spout ? The swathes of people at the bottom who are bone idle are as well as being a vastly exaggerated group to which you as a non UK resident contribute fuck all, are not the biggest percentage of the real struggling poor in this country. The people who really need help are the working poor, because contrary to your self aggrandising and myopic stupid view of my country, MOST people want to work and single parent or not try their hardest to make it pay. You are not a libertarian you are a bigot.

"The woman has never worked and still breeds.." what the fuck is that supposed to mean. That men bear no responsibility? That every women is a sponger ? that being a mother and working are mutually exclusive? Every time you make such an insensitive broad sweeping ignorant elitist statement you put yourself firmly in the camp of the out of touch career politician not the common working man.

I am not the only lone voice in threads like these and even if I were it would not be because I lack judgement. I will not be party to blowing smoke up your arse because you think you are some kind of expert and above the need for common decency or logical reasoning. Do you realise the amount of leeway and allowances people make for you because they think you are a bit of a character or have mental health issues?

The thread is about UK council and European elections. You do not reside in the UK. You do not vote in the UK and you do not pay tax in the UK. So why for fucks sake do you think it is OK to turn the thread into a soap box upon which you can stand and lecture UK taxpaying residents who have voted in the recent elections on what needs to be done to turn England back into the fictional crusty stuffy shit hole of your waffy yah yah youth?

I am glad the England I live in now is different to the one of my youth. I am happy to be able to live in a far more enlightened culture that which I grew up in, in the 1970's. When I was a kid wine was for Middle class families unless you meant Blue Nun and Garlic for the French. There were skinheads who went to my local youth club who ignorantly hated people they called "wogs" who actually created the haircut and Ska music that they were listening to, way before 1977, back in the 1950's . Any Asian with dark skin was routinely called Paki even though most were Indian and provided us with our national dish. Even you with your penchant for fast food would have had to put up with Wimpy which was shit.

Today on the local news they returned a 250 year old torah scroll to the Jewish community in Cornwall from the museum in which it was kept and Yids like me have actually been here in this country for hundreds of years before that. Lending money which Christians would not to set up businesses around which English communities sprang up. So the idea that all immigration is a negative thing is abhorrent to me.

Not once have I said that there is no problem with Immigration. Not once have I said that all our power and legal decisions should be governed by the EU. Not once have I said that people who vote UKIP are racist. And yet you and Kirkland have both made sweeping statements about England and Immigrants as though the solution to everbodies woes was to throw everyone out and turn back the clock as though Immigration in all it's guises had never happened.

You have never acknowledged anything positive about Europe, immigration or the resilience of the British people who pull up their socks and carry on despite the difficulties they face. It's just all negative bollocks not unlike UKIP's campaign and that way leads to nothing but blame, division and the elite at the top continuing to shit on everyone else.

You are being a tart with this constant nonsense about lacking empathy. When dealing with facts empathy is not a requisite. It is a fact that nearly 50,000 Romanian and Bulgarian people have new national insurance numbers, it is a fact that the British people have been lied to abut Polish immigration, it is a fact that Britain is the single mum capital of Europe etc etc etc. These are all just facts, facts, facts, facts. Getting personal with me just shows that you are being cuntish and cannot handle the truth and therefore have to get personal. On that basis you are as bad as the British media which does the same with Farage. He is winning, we are scared, we must attack him and call him a cunt and a racist.

In the 1960's single mums were about 8% of the population now they are 22%. It is a serious social problem and I know single Mum's in the UK who have never even had a job or paid into the system and are going to be getting support from the system. Don't fucking lecture me or tell me I have no voice on issues that are closer to me than you think. I don't live in that cess pool of a country because the taxes I pay will go on things that I don't want to pay for. Not only banks, but wars, and lots and lots of single Mums. Not only single mums who are divorced who I have some empathy for, but teenage Mum's fresh out of school. My taxes should be paying for pensions, healthcare, and schools and infrastructure. Instead the UK has massive taxes and an expanding debt crisis because many are irresponsible and selfish and don't care about the consequences of their actions. Top to bottom, the pigs are at the trough with either legs open or massive fiscal corruption.

That is why I will never work in the UK. It is a doomed nation with absurd policies that can only mean permanent decline. There is no future in poor people breeding future welfare recipients, there is no future in massive financial fraud and a refusal to acknowledge it, there is no future in a country where hookers and cocaine now go into GDP to lie about the true state of the economy, there is no future in a country where the general will of the hard working populace is ignored, there is no future in dumbed down environment of British radio or Television, there is no future when the debt is rising exponentially, there is no future when young people either open their legs or become permanent debt slaves of the University system, there is no future when criminals are not held to account for their crimes, there is no future in a police state, there is no future in fracking, there is no future in uncontrolled immigration, there is no future in housing bubbles and a lack of affordable housing. I could go on, but the crimes are almost infinite.

Screw you, Greenbeanz. I have a right to speak, so don't tell me what to do. You want to keep it real your way and I will keep it real my way. I will say nothing positive about the European Empire which needs to fall, the messed up British society, nor the elite that continue to abuse it. I am for the hardworking people of which there are many and them alone and my arguments typically reflect that point of view. The only difference is I refuse to pay 22.5% every time I buy an album. It is abuse and because the British are ripped off paying for things that they don't want and given no choice either.

[Gandalf]

And thank you for making me angry, too. I was feeling a little lazy this morning and was going to go easy with my textbooks, but you have inspired me to really dig in and study the language hardcore today. Thank you for reminding me that I should continue single visioned on my path to freedom.

Later edit: Also, sorry for using expletives. I get angry when attacked and lose my composure as you will never attack the problems of society, but will always have time to call me bad words. I rarely hear you call fatherless single mothers 'cunts' when they literally are. I attack all the problems from top to bottom in my arguments and am so annoyed about how they treat their people that I refuse to be a part of it. I will tell the truth no matter what and that is my only objective.

[Gandalf]

Miles get your head out of your arse you would not last 5 minutes as a single Mother and stop fucking condemning everyone you judgemental cunt. You were apparently brought up by a single Mother so have some respect and stop assuming everyone but you is a sponger. My Brother in law did History and Politics at Uni like you and he is an insufferable prick too.

This post is a disgrace and you should be ashamed. You can attack me with all kinds of language, but not a single iota of rage for the single Mums, the undercutting immigrants, the European tax exempt Empire, the police state etc etc etc. Oh, but I am a cunt because I myself refuse to sponge off the state having rejected the shackles. You really are a piece of work.

You will attack the easy targets like the elite, but go easy on the traditional leftist elements like poor little girls and their craving for Daddy government and poor little immigrants who should be patted on the head for undercutting the ordinary worker. Please. I say they all need to be pointed out one after the other from top to bottom. Left and right be damned, what is proper needs to be brought back into fashion and that is self responsibility, family values, and a national government run for its citizens. Europeans have spoken, they too want the end of Europe and globalisation and the new world order. As for these fatherless children, the men should sign contracts and be responsible, or else abortion is there. The state can then step in and put them in prison and prisons without games systems and drugs. Proper prisons. A life is never to be gambled with and 22% of single mums attests to a lot of gambling with lives and these children are statistically going to struggle and in this age more than ever. 'Oooh, don't be mean to Daddies, you cunt' responds Greenbeanz. Seriously. Get your priorities straight.

[Dark Lord Al]

Yes I do wish the Stork would stop bringing babies to couples with no jobs or stability, I mean they have no choice in the matter at all.

[Beanz]

[/QUOTE] You are being a tart with this constant nonsense about lacking empathy. When dealing with facts empathy is not a requisite. It is a fact that nearly 50,000 Romanian and Bulgarian people have new national insurance numbers, it is a fact that the British people have been lied to abut Polish immigration, it is a fact that Britain is the single mum capital of Europe etc etc etc. These are all just facts, facts, facts, facts. Getting personal with me just shows that you are being cuntish and cannot handle the truth and therefore have to get personal. On that basis you are as bad as the British media which does the same with Farage. He is winning, we are scared, we must attack him and call him a cunt and a racist.

In the 1960's single mums were about 8% of the population now they are 22%. It is a serious social problem and I know single Mum's in the UK who have never even had a job or paid into the system and are going to be getting support from the system. Don't fucking lecture me or tell me I have no voice on issues that are closer to me than you think. I don't live in that cess pool of a country because the taxes I pay will go on things that I don't want to pay for. Not only banks, but wars, and lots and lots of single Mums. Not only single mums who are divorced who I have some empathy for, but teenage Mum's fresh out of school. My taxes should be paying for pensions, healthcare, and schools and infrastructure. Instead the UK has massive taxes and an expanding debt crisis because many are irresponsible and selfish and don't care about the consequences of their actions. Top to bottom, the pigs are at the trough with either legs open or massive fiscal corruption.

That is why I will never work in the UK. It is a doomed nation with absurd policies that can only mean permanent decline. There is no future in poor people breeding future welfare recipients, there is no future in massive financial fraud and a refusal to acknowledge it, there is no future in a country where hookers and cocaine now go into GDP to lie about the true state of the economy, there is no future in a country where the general will of the hard working populace is ignored, there is no future in dumbed down environment of British radio or Television, there is no future when the debt is rising exponentially, there is no future when young people either open their legs or become permanent debt slaves of the University system, there is no future when criminals are not held to account for their crimes, there is no future in a police state, there is no future in fracking, there is no future in uncontrolled immigration, there is no future in housing bubbles and a lack of affordable housing. I could go on, but the crimes are almost infinite.

Screw you, Greenbeanz. I have a right to speak, so don't tell me what to do. You want to keep it real your way and I will keep it real my way. I will say nothing positive about the European Empire which needs to fall, the messed up British society, nor the elite that continue to abuse it. I am for the hardworking people of which there are many and them alone and my arguments typically reflect that point of view. The only difference is I refuse to pay 22.5% every time I buy an album. It is abuse and because the British are ripped off paying for things that they don't want and given no choice either.[/QUOTE]

I will lecture you Miles because you are an enemy of England.

You have called England "A cess pool of a country"

Empathy cuts to the gheart of the matter because you apply one rule to yourself and an entirely different one to yourself. You resent paying taxes because you are a selfish prick who resents parents.

Where is the context for your bullshit scaremongering tactics ? You suck up the krap that fucking idiots like Jim Davidson Nigel Farrage spout and pass it off like it's truth. You sound like Bernard Manning without the talent and good timing.

You refer to all single parent data as single mums

You infer that all single parents are not only single mums but single teenage mums claiming benefit

You fail to mention that the last 20 years has remained relatively unchanged and refer only to the obvious change since the 1960's


Less than 2 per cent of single parents are teenagers

• The median age of single parents is 38.1
• Around half of single parents had their children within marriage – 49 per cent are separated from marriage, divorced or widowed
• 60.2 per cent of single parents are in work, up 15.5 percentage points since 1997

but don't let facts get in the way of a good whinge


and this is where your startling lack of empathy is most apparent


Paid work is not a guaranteed route out of poverty for single parents; the poverty rate for single parent families where the parent works part time is 31 per cent, and 17 per cent where the parent works full time

• Single parent households are the most likely to be in arrears on one or more household bills, mortgage or nonmortgage borrowing commitment
• 38 per cent of single parents said that money always runs out before the end of the week/month compared to 19 per cent of couples
• 63 per cent of single parents have no savings compared to 34 per cent of couples

Gingerbread - Statistics - Research | statistics | facts and figures | exploding myths | stereotypes | single parent | work | family | unmarried | poverty | campaign

So in comparison life for you is a piece of piss. You assume all single parents want to be single and are on benefits which is clearly a nonsense


"Top to bottom, the pigs are at the trough with either legs open or massive fiscal corruption."


So basically you hate women ?


poor little girls and their craving for Daddy government


Farrage is a racist who has already made a clear distinction between his German wife whom he employs and Romanians who he has decided nobody would want moving in next door. I am not alone in thinking this most lefties musicians, artists, etc think the same thing unlike you who is touting a return to family values like some born again hypocritical preacher and at the same time portraying yourself as a radical.





I will never work in the UK. It is a doomed nation

God you are an unrelentingly miserable pessimist.

dumbed down environment of British radio or Television

it is still the best in the world leagues above anywhere else you cretin

young people either open their legs or become permanent debt slaves of the University system

so now all the young people are slags or idiots? Can you not bring yourself to say anything positive about England or the English ?

All this from somebody who pays not one pence of UK tax, Does not vote and lives in another country. And yet you are supposed to represent the voice of England ? you are indeed a self obsessed and deluded young man.

[ryanman]

It might be fun at this point to revisit the '29 million Romanian and Bulgarians to invade London' thread. As accurate as Brock's predictions usually are.
To be fair though I'm not sure there is any discernable difference between this thread and that.

[ryanman]

Teen pregnancies at lowest level since 1960s - Telegraph

The rise of teen pregnancies is a myth. Or at least it WAS true but is being reversed quite effectively.



http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...all-record-low

Crime at record low levels. And NOT by police stats, but the survey of 10,000 people. The best indicator we have.


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...order-controls

"The buses will be full, the planes will be full'. Anyone want to admit to being wrong on this one?



How about some optimism for once??



*Disclaimer* I am not in favour of unchecked immigration. Nor am I in favour of no immigration at all.

[Beanz]

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£64, 000 to be a Euro MEP

A parliament in which UKIP members generally abstain from voting

So where is your anger and ire about these spongers wasting your hard earned taxes sitting at home on the arses whilst you go to work ?