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    Default Boxing Sucks.

    How often do we criticise our fighters? How often do we ridicule a fighter for being afraid or beind hesitant? What do we expect from our fighters? Do we demand that our champions enter the ring completely removed from human sensitivity and emotion? Is it that we, collectively as fans are so selfish, that we expect our heroes to forget about their own sense of self preservation, their families and their lives, in orgder to place their own bodies in harms way each fight, in order to quell or lust for violence?
    Or, is it simply our lack of education that makes us criticise a man who fails to live up to our standard of courage? Does one have to expierience the pain of being a fighter to understand why our fighters behave the way they do in the ring?

    Personally, I believe that one does have to participate in order to fully contemplate the true nature of the fight game. The pain is one element, the nervous tension, the fear of defeat and embarassment just drops in the ocean of emotion which floods a fighters bloodstreeam before he enters the ring. Yet, we as fans do expect the man to dehumanize and gor forth to destroy his opponent. Joe Calzaghe dealt with this topic in a recent interview with the Ring Magazine. He stated "Do you expect me to smile out at my kids and then turn around and try and kill a man?"
    It appears that even the most expierienced of Boxing critics, cannot fully grasp the concept that is a fighter's mentality.

    Many people shake their heads in wonder when they see the friendship between Micky Ward and Arturo Gatti, a friendship which blossomed after their three bloody wars against each other. The fan questions how two men could become so close having engaged in hostilities on three that will go down in history as perhaps the most awe inspiring fights every to occur in the ring. Yet, to a fighter this relationship may be viewed with less admiration and wonder. In fact to a fighter it is more likely that this situation is quite familiar and close to home. How many fighters spar with their close friends, spend hours sweating in the gym in efforts to hurt each other and gain respect for their associates through the business of real toe to toe boxing?

    A fighters life is often admired and studied. The general public watches from the outside as another human being puts their body through inhumane preparations to be in their best posssible condition in order to inflict damage upon another person. The fighter constantly has his opponent in mind. An individual who is training equally as hard to attempt to conquer him. For months before the fight he is aware that another man lives with the purpose of being his downfall. It is impossible for the average man to contemplate this life, yet there are numerous people who deem themselves qualified to criticise these men and their efforts.

    It's true that nobody forcee them to box and that we are the target audience, the people who pay their wages as such. However, If the demand was not there for fights to be shown, then there would be no industry would there? Fighters are in place to satisfy our own desires. Psychologists have often inquired as to why man possess such a fascination with the fight game. The general consensus was that man wish to see violence and they wish they had the ability to replicate what they see.

    I suggest that everyone try boxing. At an amateur level, White Collar level or even among a close group of peers. Take a punch to the face. Attempt to understand the pain you feel, can you bear it, do you want more of it? Reflect on the physical feeling and ask yourself a question? How painful would it be to take a blow from a man who has trained for three months in advance to inflict damage to you? How quickly do you think you would be to hop in the ring with a fighter of world class calibre? A guy who makes his living from inflicting pain upon others?

    There are a lot of questions in this piece, but at the end of the day I want you to answer just one; What makes you feel you are qualified to criticise these men?
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    Default Re: Boxing Sucks.

    Good points! I gained so much respect for boxers the day I stepped in the ring to spar with someone. I thinks it's funny that alot of people think boxing is easy and that almost anyone can do it. I had a co-worker who was planning to go out to Notre Dame to compete in some kind of annual university boxing event. I asked him if he ever boxed and he said no. He also said he hadn't even trained. I told him he was going to get his a** handed to him. He ended up not going. With regard to criticism, I think its more about someones fighting style rather than the individual himself. For example, I'm not a big fan of John Ruiz. I don't like his fighting style, but I still respect him for stepping into the ring.

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    Thats exactly the thing Canvasback!
    I posted another thread depicting how a local hardman arrived at our gym expecting to beat all before him only to be dropped several times by amateurs. Imagine had he been sparring a pro with that overzealousness?
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    Default Re: Boxing Sucks.

    Hey Donny. You make some fantastic points. I think many people on this forum come and criticise before they have ever stepped in a ring. I've never done it myself and I have no real desire to be punched repeatedly by someone in a boxing ring. But I think the reason I love the sport so much is out of respect for the people that can actually go out and do this (apart from Witter...but he's a prick).

    You'll never cut out criticism though. It's not just part of boxing...it's part of sport. People can't have a bad day at the office in sport, they're expected to perform every time they work. I think dealing with bad press must be one of the hardest parts of being a sportsman, especially if the sport is individual rather than team.

    In this weeks boxing news, there is an interview with a guy who's name escapes me right now...but he said the hardest part of being a boxer is being criticised for the things you have no control over. He said he wouldn't divulge any more information, but I can only assume this is a dig at promotors, writers and even fans.

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    Default Re: Boxing Sucks.

    So annoyed i wrote a massive reply to this and the forum logged me out and i lost it

    anyways great thought provoking post mate

    BUT:

    we as fans do not have to be qualified to have an opinion

    Take Mayweather... he gets an obscene amount of money for what he does and rightly so he is top of the tree.

    but their are domestic fighters fighting on small bill every week taking bigger risks than he does ((espacially if their the underdogs)) for a pittence.

    So for me if these top level guys take easy options and milk the fans they deserve every bad comment given from the armchair critics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddo View Post
    So annoyed i wrote a massive reply to this and the forum logged me out and i lost it

    anyways great thought provoking post mate

    BUT:

    we as fans do not have to be qualified to have an opinion

    Take Mayweather... he gets an obscene amount of money for what he does and rightly so he is top of the tree.

    but their are domestic fighters fighting on small bill every week taking bigger risks than he does ((espacially if their the underdogs)) for a pittence.

    So for me if these top level guys take easy options and milk the fans they deserve every bad comment given from the armchair critics
    exactly how i feel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddo View Post
    So annoyed i wrote a massive reply to this and the forum logged me out and i lost it

    anyways great thought provoking post mate

    BUT:

    we as fans do not have to be qualified to have an opinion

    Take Mayweather... he gets an obscene amount of money for what he does and rightly so he is top of the tree.

    but their are domestic fighters fighting on small bill every week taking bigger risks than he does ((espacially if their the underdogs)) for a pittence.

    So for me if these top level guys take easy options and milk the fans they deserve every bad comment given from the armchair critics
    Sums it up well for me....

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    Default Re: Boxing Sucks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saddo View Post
    So annoyed i wrote a massive reply to this and the forum logged me out and i lost it

    anyways great thought provoking post mate

    BUT:

    we as fans do not have to be qualified to have an opinion

    Take Mayweather... he gets an obscene amount of money for what he does and rightly so he is top of the tree.

    but their are domestic fighters fighting on small bill every week taking bigger risks than he does ((espacially if their the underdogs)) for a pittence.

    So for me if these top level guys take easy options and milk the fans they deserve every bad comment given from the armchair critics
    Exactly, I've never in my life run for office or held office but I have no problem criticizing politicians. Do politicians know more about being politicians, sure, but that doesn't mean there exempt from criticism from those that aren't politicians. Besides it would suck if you could only criticize people who do the same thing as you and you were like a garbage man or something.

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    Default Re: Boxing Sucks.

    Hi,in reply to the discusion of so called boxing fans who dont really respect or fully understand the true meaning of the "Noble Art".You had alot of questions that where all related to the subject of the fact of "WHY,WHAT a fighter has to go through to perpare for a up and coming bout".I totally agree with all of your points of view in respect of any boxer.You hit the nail on the head when you brought the conclusion of SO called boxing fans who dont know the full dedication these professional sportsmen go through,untill you've actually jumped through the ropes and went toe to toe with an opponent,weather it's Sparing,Amature,White Collar.Only then can THEIR(so call FANS) really understand the true meaning of the noble art game.

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    Default Re: Boxing Sucks.

    good little write, donny

    But Saddo basically said what I was gonna say.

    Most of the guys that get the flak are millionaires that have made it to the top.

    Another question should be - Why do the multi-millionaires continue to fight inferior opposition when far superior fan friendly challenges are on offer?

    Surely when you make multi-million purses per fight all that's left is the GLORY? This isn't the case though with many fighters, is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    good little write, donny

    But Saddo basically said what I was gonna say.

    Most of the guys that get the flak are millionaires that have made it to the top.

    Another question should be - Why do the multi-millionaires continue to fight inferior opposition when far superior fan friendly challenges are on offer?

    Surely when you make multi-million purses per fight all that's left is the GLORY? This isn't the case though with many fighters, is it?
    Hey man, sorry for the delay gettin back to ya.
    I understand your viewpoint and I agree to some extent. In factbI agree with alarge chunk of that, but what I'm addressing is the blatant denigration of some fighters by biased fans.

    Fenster I asked you today and many others in recent days had they boxed. I found that most that seem to understand the business had competed or been involved in similar sports did indeed give most boxers their fair go.
    But there are many who still think boxing is a ruthless, testosterone fuelled sport which is won by the strongest man. Thats my true issue. These "fans" disrespect fighters who genuinely make the effort and often pay huge prices before being issued any dividends.


    As fopr the business side, can that be blamed on the fighters? Only partially in my opinion. Had the sport not been bastardized by various sanctioning bodies and promoters we would be in more of a position where the best fighters are those who perform well against their peers and not the best at selecting their way to ther top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    good little write, donny

    But Saddo basically said what I was gonna say.

    Most of the guys that get the flak are millionaires that have made it to the top.

    Another question should be - Why do the multi-millionaires continue to fight inferior opposition when far superior fan friendly challenges are on offer?

    Surely when you make multi-million purses per fight all that's left is the GLORY? This isn't the case though with many fighters, is it?
    I think the fans overestimate the purses
    Yeah you make millions at the high end,but you make crap at the low end.
    Well youve got to earn your way to the high end
    But at the low end,if you make a grand off the fight,you did real good

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    TM, what would you say is the average purse for a debut fighter?
    An ordinary guy kicking off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitmandonny View Post
    TM, what would you say is the average purse for a debut fighter?
    An ordinary guy kicking off?
    It would really depend on the market I was getting you booked in.It varies wildly.
    Not to mention travel costs,which are usually covered
    Not to mention lisence costs(it can get very pricey depending on the med work they want done)this is also usually covered by the promoter
    But if you had a good amateur card,Id look for somewhere between a grand in Cali,all the way down to 400 in WV
    Like I said,its honestly overhyped because the major league tickets,the headliners make a ton of coin.
    I mean you get your head handed to you just as much on the low tickets,but then again when your doing amateurs,or semi-pro,your more or less giving it away.Your actually paying for the privledge if you think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    I think the fans overestimate the purses
    Yeah you make millions at the high end,but you make crap at the low end.
    Well youve got to earn your way to the high end
    But at the low end,if you make a grand off the fight,you did real good
    The famous guys, the guys that get all the attention - Floyd, Hatton, Hopkins, Oscar etc..their purses are normally revealed and all earn more money than they could ever spend
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