How much credit would Mayweather get..

[RP33]

Before a million Mayweather/Marquez threads pop-up, and also considering this fight is only scheduled for 2 months from now, i figured i'd shift gears from this past weekend and look forward..


How much credit would Mayweather get if he defeats JMM?

A lot of people will go through his resume and discredit every win that Mayweather has and say that he's dodged the best and taken the easy road out with his decision of opposition.. I can already see it now if he beats JMM, saying that JMM moved up too high in weight, and that he keeps picking on smaller guys, etc..

Marquez's last two fights were at 135 i believe, and he TKO'd someone who has never been stopped before in Casamayor (granted he's getting older..) and stopped Juan Diaz.. After the Diaz fight, there were threads on here asking if JMM was #1 p4p after that, and there was very much debate over him vs Pacquaio for that title..

So, the question really is, at what weight class will Floyd get the most credit for taking this fight, and potentially winning this fight?

From what i've read, a catch weight of 143 is in talks.. that's still an 8lb weight gain for Marquez..

Also, i know that Floyd fought more than the majority of his years at 130-135 and i'm not ignoring that, but that is something that is ALWAYS ignored when saying "Floyd picks on the smaller fighters"..

Thoughts?..

[Bomp]

Not as much than if he beat Pac. Difference is that Pac puts on the weight that much better, Marquez's wins at 135 (especially Diaz) did really seem to reach the limit of how high he could go, the usually light punching Diaz bothered him a lot and bullied him round the ring with his size.

Bottom line is that Marquez is unproven above 135, while Pac is and their will be that question mark next to Floyd's W.

[Dizaster]

Not as much than if he beat Pac. Difference is that Pac puts on the weight that much better, Marquez's wins at 135 (especially Diaz) did really seem to reach the limit of how high he could go, the usually light punching Diaz bothered him a lot and bullied him round the ring with his size.

Bottom line is that Marquez is unproven above 135, while Pac is and their will be that question mark next to Floyd's W.

That's true.. Having never fought over 135, Mayweather is a very very tough opponent to step up to.. Marquez is a tough smart fighter, but there is something to be said of a small guy going in against a bigger stronger man.. And it's hard to say he has a big advantage in any one area that really would make up for a possible big size difference....

The weight hasn't been set though, and if it's at 140 it certainly makes it a lot better.. Every pound above that is adding more unknown quantity to Marquez ability to carry his goods up and bring everything he has..

[Fenster]

If he wins easy he wont get much credit. He was obviously far too big for Marquez.

Like Bomp said, Marquez was rocked by the relatively light punching Diaz. That can't bode well for him up in weight and class.

[RP33]

Not as much than if he beat Pac. Difference is that Pac puts on the weight that much better, Marquez's wins at 135 (especially Diaz) did really seem to reach the limit of how high he could go, the usually light punching Diaz bothered him a lot and bullied him round the ring with his size.

Bottom line is that Marquez is unproven above 135, while Pac is and their will be that question mark next to Floyd's W.

I wasn't really comparing this fight to Pac, as far as i'm concerned, he's fighting JMM and if he wins he fights Pac.. it's not like he's choosing JMM over Pac..

Was just curious of thoughts on this fight mainly regarding weight.. I still don't know how i feel about it.. It's tough, because as i said, a number of people were voting JMM for top p4p after the Diaz fight, but even still, going from 135-143(give or take a few lbs) is a decent gain.. Considering Mayweather was catching flack for fighting "the smaller" Hatton, I can't see PBF getting too much praise if he beats JMM.. But, in the same respect, it's impossible to call it a "tune-up" fight considering JMM's skill.. Regardless i'm still excited to see PBF back in the ring..

[Bomp]

Not as much than if he beat Pac. Difference is that Pac puts on the weight that much better, Marquez's wins at 135 (especially Diaz) did really seem to reach the limit of how high he could go, the usually light punching Diaz bothered him a lot and bullied him round the ring with his size.

Bottom line is that Marquez is unproven above 135, while Pac is and their will be that question mark next to Floyd's W.

I wasn't really comparing this fight to Pac, as far as i'm concerned, he's fighting JMM and if he wins he fights Pac.. it's not like he's choosing JMM over Pac..

Was just curious of thoughts on this fight mainly regarding weight.. I still don't know how i feel about it.. It's tough, because as i said, a number of people were voting JMM for top p4p after the Diaz fight, but even still, going from 135-143(give or take a few lbs) is a decent gain.. Considering Mayweather was catching flack for fighting "the smaller" Hatton, I can't see PBF getting too much praise if he beats JMM.. But, in the same respect, it's impossible to call it a "tune-up" fight considering JMM's skill.. Regardless i'm still excited to see PBF back in the ring..

I'm sure the reason he picked JMM was to eventually get to face Pac later on, I didn't mention Pac in a sense to accuse Floyd of avoiding him (he had no reason to before sat night ). I mentioned him as I'm sure when Floyd beats JMM people will say he did so easily compared to Pac, but IMO the weight is much more of a factor for JMM than it is to Pac and will make the fight a huge uphill task for him.

Who Pac fights next is the real dilemma, Mosely/Cotto would be huge risks at 147 and would ultimately jeopardise the Floyd/Pac fight everyone wants to see.

[RP33]

Not as much than if he beat Pac. Difference is that Pac puts on the weight that much better, Marquez's wins at 135 (especially Diaz) did really seem to reach the limit of how high he could go, the usually light punching Diaz bothered him a lot and bullied him round the ring with his size.

Bottom line is that Marquez is unproven above 135, while Pac is and their will be that question mark next to Floyd's W.

I wasn't really comparing this fight to Pac, as far as i'm concerned, he's fighting JMM and if he wins he fights Pac.. it's not like he's choosing JMM over Pac..

Was just curious of thoughts on this fight mainly regarding weight.. I still don't know how i feel about it.. It's tough, because as i said, a number of people were voting JMM for top p4p after the Diaz fight, but even still, going from 135-143(give or take a few lbs) is a decent gain.. Considering Mayweather was catching flack for fighting "the smaller" Hatton, I can't see PBF getting too much praise if he beats JMM.. But, in the same respect, it's impossible to call it a "tune-up" fight considering JMM's skill.. Regardless i'm still excited to see PBF back in the ring..

I'm sure the reason he picked JMM was to eventually get to face Pac later on, I didn't mention Pac in a sense to accuse Floyd of avoiding him (he had no reason to before sat night ). I mentioned him as I'm sure when Floyd beats JMM people will say he did so easily compared to Pac, but IMO the weight is much more of a factor for JMM than it is to Pac and will make the fight a huge uphill task for him.

Who Pac fights next is the real dilemma, Mosely/Cotto would be huge risks at 147 and would ultimately jeopardise the Floyd/Pac fight everyone wants to see.

Agreed.. the good thing is that Floyd is only fighting two months away.. Which actually surprises me because keeping the past in mind, Floyd usually has 5-6 months between announcing he's fighting, and actually fighting.. This is good because i think it is a short enough of an amount of time for Pac to just sit back and see what happens instead of scheduling another fight right away..

plus cotto has his clottey fight coming up, assuming that is still on? I would think Mosley is too big for Pac and if Pac took that fight he would show HUGE b@lls.. same with a cotto fight..

Pac/Floyd is the biggest fight that can be made in boxing today, and it needs to be done.. Granted Pac has been KO'd before, but it's been quite some time since Pac has been in much trouble in a fight.. and obviously Floyd has never really been hurt besides a few, scarce, memorable moments. The fight would be CRAZY..

[The Congressman]

PBF even said "He's (JMM) a good small man, but I'm a great big man"

So the answer is pretty much... NO, PBF he will not get that much credit (not unless he KO's JMM in 1st round imo).

PBF and his fans must not look at this as a walk-in-the-cake fight.

[Taeth]

Before a million Mayweather/Marquez threads pop-up, and also considering this fight is only scheduled for 2 months from now, i figured i'd shift gears from this past weekend and look forward..


How much credit would Mayweather get if he defeats JMM?

A lot of people will go through his resume and discredit every win that Mayweather has and say that he's dodged the best and taken the easy road out with his decision of opposition.. I can already see it now if he beats JMM, saying that JMM moved up too high in weight, and that he keeps picking on smaller guys, etc..

Marquez's last two fights were at 135 i believe, and he TKO'd someone who has never been stopped before in Casamayor (granted he's getting older..) and stopped Juan Diaz.. After the Diaz fight, there were threads on here asking if JMM was #1 p4p after that, and there was very much debate over him vs Pacquaio for that title..

So, the question really is, at what weight class will Floyd get the most credit for taking this fight, and potentially winning this fight?

From what i've read, a catch weight of 143 is in talks.. that's still an 8lb weight gain for Marquez..

Also, i know that Floyd fought more than the majority of his years at 130-135 and i'm not ignoring that, but that is something that is ALWAYS ignored when saying "Floyd picks on the smaller fighters"..

Thoughts?..

This is the first elite fighter Mayweather has faced that is naturally smaller than him since being at 130 even there.

G. Hernandez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, Baldomir, Oscar De La Hoya, and Ricky Hatton have all been bigger htan Mayweather.

Oscar, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, and Baldomir all weighed more than 10 pounds heavier than Mayweather on fight night.

Judah started his career way higher htan Mayweather, and came in 4 pounds heavier which isn't a whole lot, but he is still bigger.

Hatton: Only retards will say he was naturally smaller than Mayweather, in fact he likely weighed 4-5 pounds more than Floyd come fight night based on how much they both came in at in other welterweight fights. Hatton started his career at 140 while Mayweather's began at 130. Mayweather was already considered small at lightweight while Hatton was a big light welterweight due to his bulkiness and strength as opposed to height. Hell Hatton weighed in at 160 against Collazo which is what Mayweather walks around at.

Marquez is going to be an inch shorter, He weighed in at 141 against Pacquiao in their second fight which is only 2 pounds of the weight. Mayweather hasn't gained more than 5 pounds from weigh in, and Marquez will be able to put on a touch of muscle while Mayweather has to lose muscle which is a big disadvantage considering how good Marquez already is.

[amat]

The problem here is that in the Diaz fight, you could see that Diaz was physically stronger then Marquez. That pretty much can't be debated, the stronger guy inside was Diaz even if he didn't have the greater punching power. Certainly that advantage is only going to be amplified for Mayweather who is a naturally bigger guy then Diaz.

However it shouldn't mean to much because Mayweather doesn't even use his physical strength to his advantage all that much. I think moreso then size, it's going to be the accuracy of Floyd which will score him the stoppage imo. Throughout his career it's always been the well placed shots that JMM didn't see which has hurt him.

He should get lots of credit for beating Marquez and I think he will once the fight rolls around because I think Marquez will do his fair share of landing. Marquez is one ofthe best counter punchers of our lifetime and he's deadly accurate. If anyone can pick around Floyd's guard I would think it's Marquez.

Either way,number 2 pound for pound and one of the most skilled fighters of our generation, he should get credit.

[bcollins]

I think Lyle might have it right - this might be one of Floyd's tougher fights. I learned a while ago not to bet against PBF, but I really think Marquez will give him a tougher fight than everyone seems to think.

[El Kabong]

I think Lyle might have it right - this might be one of Floyd's tougher fights. I learned a while ago not to bet against PBF, but I really think Marquez will give him a tougher fight than everyone seems to think.

Floyd has had a long layoff and Marquez hasn't been OUTSTANDING at lightweight but those factor in to Floyd's ego. Floyd could come into the fight figuring "If I'm just in shape I will take this win easily" but we all know JMM is not to be counted out.

I think if JMM is able to add weight properly this could be Floyd's toughest fight since the first Jose Luis Castillo fight.

[Bomp]

I think Lyle might have it right - this might be one of Floyd's tougher fights. I learned a while ago not to bet against PBF, but I really think Marquez will give him a tougher fight than everyone seems to think.

Floyd has had a long layoff and Marquez hasn't been OUTSTANDING at lightweight but those factor in to Floyd's ego. Floyd could come into the fight figuring "If I'm just in shape I will take this win easily" but we all know JMM is not to be counted out.

I think if JMM is able to add weight properly this could be Floyd's toughest fight since the first Jose Luis Castillo fight.

It could be a tough fight for Floyd, but there did seem to be a big size difference at the press conference, in height and bulk. Just don't see Marquez causing enough damage, but hopefully he has the smarts to make it competitive.

[TheDemolitionDan]

If Mayweather fought Marquez 5 years ago when this fight was supposed to be made I would give Mayweather credit for beating him, if he beat him, but 5 years later now all of a sudden Mayweather wants to fight Marquez. Fuck that.

[Taeth]

5 years ago, how has it changed since then? They are in the exact same situation but its 5 years later, which if anything helps Marquez because comparably Mayweather is slower now than he was, and Marquez moving up has in a p4p sense retained most of his speed.