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    Default Pacquiao-Hatton.

    Why was Pacquiao able to destroy Hatton like he did? Was it because of the problems Hatton had in training? Or was he just tailor-made for Pacquiao?

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    It was a quick ko so the training could not be used as an excuse for the loss.

    Style of Hatton suited Manny who was on fire at the time and that probably was the main reason for the devastating defeat of Ricky.

    I don't think it was the drain of making the weight, bad relationship with the trainer or loss to Floyd for the reason for the early ko.
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    Pac was reaching his peak then. Hatton had peaked.

    Was stunned. Not so much that Hatton was defeated but never thought he’d be a 2 round job for anyone no matter how good they were.
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    If you can’t stay sober in camp you’re going to have a bad night.

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    Because pacquiao was a much better fighter. Everyone he fought and beat for several years afterwards would have also beaten Hatton. I doubt anyone is about to suggest that with a better training camp, Hatton could have taken that punch, so.... what, he would have totally reinvented himself and managed to avoid getting hit? He only fought the way he knew how, that’s why the 7 pounds made such a difference when he fought at welter, even though he probably put on 70 when he wasn’t training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    Because pacquiao was a much better fighter. Everyone he fought and beat for several years afterwards would have also beaten Hatton. I doubt anyone is about to suggest that with a better training camp, Hatton could have taken that punch, so.... what, he would have totally reinvented himself and managed to avoid getting hit? He only fought the way he knew how, that’s why the 7 pounds made such a difference when he fought at welter, even though he probably put on 70 when he wasn’t training.
    I agree PAC was the far better fighter and wins the fight every time but there is no denying Ricky ignored what he was instructed to do the entire camp. Leaping in with hooks got him hurt repeatedly before the big left hand finished it. If he jabs his way in as instructed it’s a different fight. Same outcome but different fight.

    His head was on a platter, he was done as an elite fighter

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    Difference in skill set. VAST difference. All this nonsense about Ricky fighting for p4p both with Floyd and with Pac simply evaporated with the thorough beatdown he received in both instances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    Because pacquiao was a much better fighter. Everyone he fought and beat for several years afterwards would have also beaten Hatton. I doubt anyone is about to suggest that with a better training camp, Hatton could have taken that punch, so.... what, he would have totally reinvented himself and managed to avoid getting hit? He only fought the way he knew how, that’s why the 7 pounds made such a difference when he fought at welter, even though he probably put on 70 when he wasn’t training.
    I agree PAC was the far better fighter and wins the fight every time but there is no denying Ricky ignored what he was instructed to do the entire camp. Leaping in with hooks got him hurt repeatedly before the big left hand finished it. If he jabs his way in as instructed it’s a different fight. Same outcome but different fight.

    His head was on a platter, he was done as an elite fighter
    was he capable of it? Leaping in was part of his game. If he showed up in the exact same form he may have lasted a few more rounds 9 of 10 times, if he showed up in as good as possible form he could have still been starched earlier.

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    Whenever fighters blame training camps I take it with a pinch of salt, however, I believe Hatton who swears blind he should have never been in the ring that night, as insiders have confirmed he was physically and mentally messed up all through the camp.

    However, Pac's electric, vicious, pin point counters and speed would have always gave Hatton kittens.

    I reckon Hatton could've always been a 2-round blowout job, even in his prime, but he did know how to look after himself and box "smart," and could have fought to survive like Cotto, Mosley and Clottey did after realising they're out of their depth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Whenever fighters blame training camps I take it with a pinch of salt, however, I believe Hatton who swears blind he should have never been in the ring that night, as insiders have confirmed he was physically and mentally messed up all through the camp.

    However, Pac's electric, vicious, pin point counters and speed would have always gave Hatton kittens.

    I reckon Hatton could've always been a 2-round blowout job, even in his prime, but he did know how to look after himself and box "smart," and could have fought to survive like Cotto, Mosley and Clottey did after realising they're out of their depth.
    Mosley and clottey were welterweight Oliver McCall’s though, and cotto wasn’t totally out of his depth, think he actually won a couple of the early rounds? Again, those 3 guys would have beat the shit out of baton at that point as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Whenever fighters blame training camps I take it with a pinch of salt, however, I believe Hatton who swears blind he should have never been in the ring that night, as insiders have confirmed he was physically and mentally messed up all through the camp.

    However, Pac's electric, vicious, pin point counters and speed would have always gave Hatton kittens.

    I reckon Hatton could've always been a 2-round blowout job, even in his prime, but he did know how to look after himself and box "smart," and could have fought to survive like Cotto, Mosley and Clottey did after realising they're out of their depth.
    Mosley and clottey were welterweight Oliver McCall’s though, and cotto wasn’t totally out of his depth, think he actually won a couple of the early rounds? Again, those 3 guys would have beat the shit out of baton at that point as well.
    I meant the "best possible Hatton" could have done better than getting shot dead inside 6 minutes, however, even the "best possible Hatton" might have been annihilated as he was stupid enough to try to win.

    The other guys stopped fighting after six minutes for fear of being Hatton'd.

    A prime Hatton-Cotto fight at 140 would have been interesting. They were all too big for him from 147 though, yeah.


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    Mosley and clottey were welterweight Oliver McCall
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    Quote Originally Posted by VG_Addict View Post
    Why was Pacquiao able to destroy Hatton like he did? Was it because of the problems Hatton had in training? Or was he just tailor-made for Pacquiao?
    Perfect storm. Hatton mentally was not the same after Floyd. Paulie was no prep for pacman. Manny was always going to catch anyone who just stood in front of him, throwing a jab like that was not Ricky's style but even the beast version of Hatton gets found out by mannys speed. Hatton looked like a ghost he, left way too much in the gym and then Mayweathers,'coaching' was about as helpful as a kick in the bollocks.

    He was f****d on the way to the ring and you could see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Whenever fighters blame training camps I take it with a pinch of salt, however, I believe Hatton who swears blind he should have never been in the ring that night, as insiders have confirmed he was physically and mentally messed up all through the camp.

    However, Pac's electric, vicious, pin point counters and speed would have always gave Hatton kittens.

    I reckon Hatton could've always been a 2-round blowout job, even in his prime, but he did know how to look after himself and box "smart," and could have fought to survive like Cotto, Mosley and Clottey did after realising they're out of their depth.
    Mosley and clottey were welterweight Oliver McCall’s though, and cotto wasn’t totally out of his depth, think he actually won a couple of the early rounds? Again, those 3 guys would have beat the shit out of baton at that point as well.
    I meant the "best possible Hatton" could have done better than getting shot dead inside 6 minutes, however, even the "best possible Hatton" might have been annihilated as he was stupid enough to try to win.

    The other guys stopped fighting after six minutes for fear of being Hatton'd.

    A prime Hatton-Cotto fight at 140 would have been interesting. They were all too big for him from 147 though, yeah.


    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    Mosley and clottey were welterweight Oliver McCall
    Wash your mouth out.



    Mosley shut it down, and it was apparent to everyone who watched the fight. It's reminiscent of his bewildering shutdown against Floyd, after having hurt him with a huge right hand early in the fight. Clottey was a defense-first, durable tough fighter whose calling card was having never lost by knockout. But Cotto fought hard and held his own for a couple of rounds, only to get staggered early, and eventually getting knocked out late in the fight. I don't remember Cotto shutting it down. I do remember though, just as Hatton's corner gets blamed for its prep against Pacquiao, Cotto had no business whatsoever having Joe Santiago as his trainer for one of the biggest fights of his career.

    And yes.... prime Cotto vs. Hatton at 140 would've been interesting.

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    I really wanted Hatton to win that and it broke my heart to see him so outclassed. He looked bewildered and lost between rounds not even knowing who to listen to which says a lot about the preparation. He came out bravely in round 2 but it was kamikaze against a fighter so much faster.

    Hatton was his own worst enemy between fights and I think it told badly against Manny. His chin was not as resiliant and he was stiff and also not as boxing smart as he used to be. It led to a performance that even today I struggle to sit through. Pure devastation.

    It was all wrong and Manny turned out to be not a smaller man whence him able to go to WW and stay there and permanently damage other fighters.

    Pac was at his best and Hatton wasfighting his demons and recovering from a KO. Even against Lazcano (?) he looked on shaky legs a couple of times and a fight with Paulie doesn't show you can still take a punch.

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