Thread: After watching Roy Jones taunt Lacy,he got what he deserved against Calzaghe!

Calzaghe got a bit of flak for the way he show boated against Roy Jones but after watching Jones taunt and make fun of a beaten fighter in Lacy I wish Calzaghe had done a bit more showboating.


Jones looked very good and sharp in the fight but it just goes to show how good Calzaghe is/was to beat Jones with ease when they fought.

Originally Posted by porkypara

Calzaghe got a bit of flak for the way he show boated against Roy Jones but after watching Jones taunt and make fun of a beaten fighter in Lacy I wish Calzaghe had done a bit more showboating.


Jones looked very good and sharp in the fight but it just goes to show how good Calzaghe is/was to beat Jones with ease when they fought.

Personally I think it was more the fact how shite and shot mentally Lacy is, Calzaghe was past his best against RJJ, and RJJ was past his best. I still think RJJ would put a beatdown on Calzaghe prime for prime.

Originally Posted by skel1983

Originally Posted by porkypara

Calzaghe got a bit of flak for the way he show boated against Roy Jones but after watching Jones taunt and make fun of a beaten fighter in Lacy I wish Calzaghe had done a bit more showboating.


Jones looked very good and sharp in the fight but it just goes to show how good Calzaghe is/was to beat Jones with ease when they fought.

Personally I think it was more the fact how shite and shot mentally Lacy is, Calzaghe was past his best against RJJ, and RJJ was past his best. I still think RJJ would put a beatdown on Calzaghe prime for prime.

Too bad Roy admitted he ducked Calzaghe by stating...

"I had too much to lose at the time"............

Roy taunted many opponents over the years and showed little sportsmanship to guys he beat......He got what he gave

I didn't like Roy when he was in his prime. Something about him rubbed me the wrong way. When I saw him get sparked by Tarver, my hate for him left. I actually felt bad for him when Johnson took him out.

Then Calzaghe comes along and acts like a jerk to Jones while he was dominating him. I grew sorry for Jones there and liked Calzaghe less.

Now I saw Jones showboating against Lacy and felt all those old feelings I felt when
I watched him in his prime. I'm glad Calzaghe did what he did. Jones deserved it...

Also on another note, I don't think I've ever heard such a blatantly biased commentary job as on that broadcast. When the co-commentator suggested that Jones would have to move up to fight Danny Green (of course the best CW out there ) because there were no defining fights or credible opponents at LHW (Hopkins, Dawson, Johnson II) I had to laugh. Although not quite as much as when he appeared to suggest that he only lost to Joe Calzaghe because of the cut. Also the suggestion at how he could have possibly lost to Antonio Tarver, ermmm, because Tarver was actually pretty damn good.

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Also on another note, I don't think I've ever heard such a blatantly biased commentary job as on that broadcast. When the co-commentator suggested that Jones would have to move up to fight Danny Green (of course the best CW out there ) because there were no defining fights or credible opponents at LHW (Hopkins, Dawson, Johnson II) I had to laugh. Although not quite as much as when he appeared to suggest that he only lost to Joe Calzaghe because of the cut. Also the suggestion at how he could have possibly lost to Antonio Tarver, ermmm, because Tarver was actually pretty damn good.

I thought it was funny when one of the commentators during the fight said something along the lines of, "I kinda want Jones to get caught with a big left hook just so he can take this fight seriously."

I was thinking the exact same thing...

Originally Posted by porkypara

Calzaghe got a bit of flak for the way he show boated against Roy Jones but after watching Jones taunt and make fun of a beaten fighter in Lacy I wish Calzaghe had done a bit more showboating.


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I'm with you bud. I don't like showboaters period, but in the case of the crap that Jones took from Calzaghe, its live by the sword, die by the sword.

I think what we're gonna see from here on out is a lowering of Jones' standards. The calibre of the fighter that Jones has the kahones to showboat against will steadily decline.

Originally Posted by CGM

Originally Posted by porkypara

Calzaghe got a bit of flak for the way he show boated against Roy Jones but after watching Jones taunt and make fun of a beaten fighter in Lacy I wish Calzaghe had done a bit more showboating.


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I'm with you bud. I don't like showboaters period, but in the case of the crap that Jones took from Calzaghe, its live by the sword, die by the sword.

I think what we're gonna see from here on out is a lowering of Jones' standards. The calibre of the fighter that Jones has the kahones to showboat against will steadily decline.

edit. Actually, it's hotdogs I hate, Roy is probably the biggest of that bunch. Also Calzaghe's was particularly lame. Showboaters are something a little different, Ali for example, never bothered me that much.

What goes around comes around.Was akin to seeing Hendrix bragging about tearing up a riff on Guitar Hero

I didn't like seeing Calzaghe do it against Jones, or Jones against Lacy, as in each case it was a fighter doing it to a guy who had nothing left (or in Calzaghe's case, a guy who was a shadow of his former self). I'd like to see Jones try that against Dawson, Hopkins, Johnson or even Tavoris Cloud. Both of them doing it was embarassing, because it was not a case of showboating to show their talent, more to show the opponent's weakness. This was not showboating for the sake of showing their skill, it was doing it because they knew their opponent was beaten.

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

I didn't like seeing Calzaghe do it against Jones, or Jones against Lacy, as in each case it was a fighter doing it to a guy who had nothing left (or in Calzaghe's case, a guy who was a shadow of his former self). I'd like to see Jones try that against Dawson, Hopkins, Johnson or even Tavoris Cloud. Both of them doing it was embarassing, because it was not a case of showboating to show their talent, more to show the opponent's weakness. This was not showboating for the sake of showing their skill, it was doing it because they knew their opponent was beaten.

Bingo.Both were way over the top.Especially when you see a guy talking to the crowd,commentators.Hate that with a passion.

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

I didn't like seeing Calzaghe do it against Jones, or Jones against Lacy, as in each case it was a fighter doing it to a guy who had nothing left (or in Calzaghe's case, a guy who was a shadow of his former self). I'd like to see Jones try that against Dawson, Hopkins, Johnson or even Tavoris Cloud. Both of them doing it was embarassing, because it was not a case of showboating to show their talent, more to show the opponent's weakness. This was not showboating for the sake of showing their skill, it was doing it because they knew their opponent was beaten.

I think its very easy for us in our armchairs to decide a fighter is past it or shot but its another thing entirely to have to be the boxer who faces them in the ring.

I'm sure facing the great Roy Jones was a massive massive mental challenge to Joe Calzaghe, and he took the fight and Roy's threat very seriously indeed. The same with Jones against Lacy. Jones was coming off a series of losses, including his most recent to Calzaghe and he knew he had to win against Lacy.

It's easy for us to see Lacy as shot and posing no threat but we arn't going to be getting into the ring with him. I'm sure Jones was fired up for that fight, knowing he had to win and look good, and I'm sure he took the fight very seriously indeed, certainly not regarding it as a walk in the park.

In both cases the showboating was done imo when they realised they had got on top and were winning the fights, and it was the satisfaction and warrior mentality in them both that led to that showboating. They wern't taunting their opponents for being shot, rather they recognised the challenge they posed far more than we did, and were showboating because they were happy and cocky in the moment realising they had overcome them.

I'm 100% sure that both Joe and Roy give far more actual respect to the threat's posed by Jones and Lacy respectively than we the fans do who can just write an opponent off with a 'he' shot its a gimme fight'.

Neither Roy or Joe will regard their opponents as just shells of their former selves and will have taken the fight risks very seriously indeed.

In a way it's us the fans who are cocky and write fighters off as shot and finished..........

Originally Posted by CGM

edit. Actually, it's hotdogs I hate, Roy is probably the biggest of that bunch. Also Calzaghe's was particularly lame. Showboaters are something a little different, Ali for example, never bothered me that much.

Could you explain the difference to me? I don't know the difference between "hotdoggers" and "showboaters".


I always thought it was so hypocritcal when I heard guys say they hate Roy Jones or Calzaghe because they taunt their opponents in the ring, but will list Ali as one of their favorite fighters. I mean what was Ali? Screaming "Whats my name?" at someone while he's pummelling him, or doing the shuffle, or standing over an old, washed up Archie Moore after flooring him.

Generally I like showboaters. If you can showboat and get away with it, that is one of the purest gestures of complete control in a fight.

Is it good sportsmanship? No, but the essence of boxing is to build yourself up at the expense of others. Its every man for himself. Many had to be broken down in order for guys like Pacquaio to build himself up.

Calzaghe's fighting style is ugly as hell by itself, combine that with his cringeworthy showboating, you got ppl hating everywhere.