Thread: Margarito-Cotto II

Arum: Cotto-Margarito ReMatch in NewYork Could Be The Plan

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by Ernest Gabion dtd 14Nov. 2010

"I promote both Antonio and Miguel. Now BOTH of them Got an ***-WHIPPING from Manny, so maybe I'll put them together and I think that it would make for a Really GOOD Fight," Arum said.

"A Cotto-Margarito fight, I think the BEST area is the NewYork metropolitan area. Whether it's Yankee Stadium, or Madison Square Garden, or the new MeadowLands or the new Tennis Stadium, but I think it belongs in NewYork," Arum said.

Originally Posted by :::PSL:::

Arum: Cotto-Margarito ReMatch in NewYork Could Be The Plan

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=32841
by Ernest Gabion dtd 14Nov. 2010

"I promote both Antonio and Miguel. Now BOTH of them Got an ***-WHIPPING from Manny, so maybe I'll put them together and I think that it would make for a Really GOOD Fight," Arum said.

"A Cotto-Margarito fight, I think the BEST area is the NewYork metropolitan area. Whether it's Yankee Stadium, or Madison Square Garden, or the new MeadowLands or the new Tennis Stadium, but I think it belongs in NewYork," Arum said.

This would be an excellant fight, both fighters have had 2 serious ass whippings so it levels out the playing field alot and would settle the hand wraps dispute for good.

if Cotto's shoulder has healed good enough, and if he's improved even more with Steward in his corner, IMO Cotto avenges the loss and stops Margarito similar to how Mosley did, Margarito ain't shit without his wraps, and i'll say it now, Cotto will sink his face in

I'm going with Margo wearing down Cotto again and taking a win. Everyone can say he might have loaded his gloves in the Cotto fight, but you can't load that chin. Unless that chin is seriously bad now after the Pac fight. Margo just has the style to beat Cotto.

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

if Cotto's shoulder has healed good enough, and if he's improved even more with Steward in his corner, IMO Cotto avenges the loss and stops Margarito similar to how Mosley did, Margarito ain't shit without his wraps, and i'll say it now, Cotto will sink his face in

If Margarito does'nt have serious problems with his eye and is at least 75% of what he was when they first fought...ill take that bet.

Bob is such a genious

This is a good fight for both fighters IMO. It gives Cotto the chance to avenge his first lost and it gives Margarito a chance to prove he does not need illegal wraps to beat Cotto.

Honestly at this point I dont know who will win. We got to see how well Margarito recovers first.

Part of me wants this for Cotto but honestly as a boxing fan I'm done with Antonio Margarito.....as a fan of the sport Margarito shouldn't be allowed to fight anymore.

Using loaded wraps isn't like corking a baseball bat or being a cyclist that uses EPO or a sprinter that roids up.....in boxing you can die when nobody is cheating.....loading wraps is I think the single worst thing you can do in all of sports...maybe intentionally beaning a batter above the shoulders ranks closest to it, but IMO lives are at stake and Margarito crossed a line where I don't want him in the sport anymore.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Part of me wants this for Cotto but honestly as a boxing fan I'm done with Antonio Margarito.....as a fan of the sport Margarito shouldn't be allowed to fight anymore.

Using loaded wraps isn't like corking a baseball bat or being a cyclist that uses EPO or a sprinter that roids up.....in boxing you can die when nobody is cheating.....loading wraps is I think the single worst thing you can do in all of sports...maybe intentionally beaning a batter above the shoulders ranks closest to it, but IMO lives are at stake and Margarito crossed a line where I don't want him in the sport anymore.

I wholeheartedly agree, including the baseball beaning comparison. However you feel about Margarito as a fighter, there just isn't any excuse for what he did. And to make matters worse, he publicly makes light of the whole affair in front of the television cameras. IMO, he's the biggest low-life in boxing at the present time, and I hopes he does the right thing and quietly retires from boxing. In another thread, I remarked at the irony of it all: What Margarito tried to do to Mosley (and probably Cotto) by loading his gloves... Pacquiao may have just done to Margarito.... END his career. But without the plaster.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

I wholeheartedly agree, including the baseball beaning comparison. However you feel about Margarito as a fighter, there just isn't any excuse for what he did. And to make matters worse, he publicly makes light of the whole affair in front of the television cameras. IMO, he's the biggest low-life in boxing at the present time, and I hopes he does the right thing and quietly retires from boxing. In another thread, I remarked at the irony of it all: What Margarito tried to do to Mosley (and probably Cotto) by loading his gloves... Pacquiao may have just done to Margarito.... END his career. But without the plaster.

Also if you look at Cotto's position in all this there are a couple of things that could happen to make a rematch a bad situation for him #1 Miguel Cotto as much as I admire and respect the guy as a fighter is no longer as fresh as he used to be (no thanks to Margarito) and someone who is durable can beat him and I (am sure along with many of his fans) wouldn't want that person to be Margarito it would be salt in the wound #2 Margarito seeing how his career as a fighter is up against the ropes (or more like receiving a standing 8 count) is in a place where he could try something distgusting to avoid a beating....I'm not saying he would try to cheat again (though I'd never put it past him) but I'm thinking more along the lines of fouling in order to gain an advantage and win. Now he's never purposely done that before but he's at a nadir in his career and people can do stupid things when they are desperate especially when they want to avoid a beating...look at Cooney vs Holmes, look at Tyson vs Holyfield II, Tyson vs Botha, Bowe vs Tillery....I don't want Cotto to get put in position where Margarito can hurt him again....anyone but him, just my view as a fan.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by TitoFan

I wholeheartedly agree, including the baseball beaning comparison. However you feel about Margarito as a fighter, there just isn't any excuse for what he did. And to make matters worse, he publicly makes light of the whole affair in front of the television cameras. IMO, he's the biggest low-life in boxing at the present time, and I hopes he does the right thing and quietly retires from boxing. In another thread, I remarked at the irony of it all: What Margarito tried to do to Mosley (and probably Cotto) by loading his gloves... Pacquiao may have just done to Margarito.... END his career. But without the plaster.

Also if you look at Cotto's position in all this there are a couple of things that could happen to make a rematch a bad situation for him #1 Miguel Cotto as much as I admire and respect the guy as a fighter is no longer as fresh as he used to be (no thanks to Margarito) and someone who is durable can beat him and I (am sure along with many of his fans) wouldn't want that person to be Margarito it would be salt in the wound #2 Margarito seeing how his career as a fighter is up against the ropes (or more like receiving a standing 8 count) is in a place where he could try something distgusting to avoid a beating....I'm not saying he would try to cheat again (though I'd never put it past him) but I'm thinking more along the lines of fouling in order to gain an advantage and win. Now he's never purposely done that before but he's at a nadir in his career and people can do stupid things when they are desperate especially when they want to avoid a beating...look at Cooney vs Holmes, look at Tyson vs Holyfield II, Tyson vs Botha, Bowe vs Tillery....I don't want Cotto to get put in position where Margarito can hurt him again....anyone but him, just my view as a fan.

I had someone at work tell me exactly the same thing you just did. Me... I'm kind of torn, but lean toward your point of view. Truth is... Cotto doesn't need Margarito, who has cast the shadow of doubt on his previous fights by the shit he tried against Mosley. It would be SWEET... no doubt about that, but the risk isn't worth the reward. Besides, Margarito is shot to hell and probably should retire. What boxing props is Cotto going to get by beating up on Margarito? None. And it's just not worth it. I think Emanuel Stewart is one of the best things that have happened to Cotto's career, but damn it... just a few fights too late. I think Manny could straighten out a few of the kinks in Cotto's gameplan, and there's nothing that says that Cotto wouldn't return the favor on Margarito. But again... people would just say: "Oh... Cotto just beat up a ruined fighter." And they'd probably be right. Screw Margarito! Let him fade off into obscurity, where he belongs.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

I had someone at work tell me exactly the same thing you just did. Me... I'm kind of torn, but lean toward your point of view. Truth is... Cotto doesn't need Margarito, who has cast the shadow of doubt on his previous fights by the shit he tried against Mosley. It would be SWEET... no doubt about that, but the risk isn't worth the reward. Besides, Margarito is shot to hell and probably should retire. What boxing props is Cotto going to get by beating up on Margarito? None. And it's just not worth it. I think Emanuel Stewart is one of the best things that have happened to Cotto's career, but damn it... just a few fights too late. I think Manny could straighten out a few of the kinks in Cotto's gameplan, and there's nothing that says that Cotto wouldn't return the favor on Margarito. But again... people would just say: "Oh... Cotto just beat up a ruined fighter." And they'd probably be right. Screw Margarito! Let him fade off into obscurity, where he belongs.

Also if Cotto fought and beat him it would be a hollow victory.....even if Cotto laid down the most savage beat down of his career on Margarito it would be vs a shell of a man and it wouldn't bring anything back to Miguel.

High risk low reward....plus if Cotto fought him he'd just be giving more money to the guy that took so much from him. I mean most of you forget had Cotto won the fight vs Margarito the fight vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. was getting pretty close because the public wanted it.

We might see Dela Hoya vs Hatton too in 2011...



DE LA HOYA TARGETS HATTON FOR 2011 COMEBACK?

Former jr. welterweight champion and British sensation Ricky Hatton may have just been given an offer that he can't refuse: a mega-fight with former 10-time world champion and pay-per-view kingpin Oscar De La Hoya.

De La Hoya has officially been retired since Apirl of 2009, when he made the announcement during a public press conference just four months after Filipino sensation Manny Pacquiaio battered him for eight rounds before the corner mercifully called a halt to the bout. Although this isn't the first time that rumors of a De La Hoya comeback have surfaced, it is the first time that an official from Golden Boy Promotions is on record discussing plans for a return.

Seriously, when are people gonna call Arum on his own BS on having only his fighters fight each other instead of the other people out there?

There is a guy at 147 who would probably love to get a shot at Cotto named Andre Berto. When is he going to get a fight?


Anyway on to the fight Cotto may actually be smart this time and decide to box the later rounds instead of trading and trying to stop Margarito. Like i said, Cotto blows his load early and tries to stop people late, if they don't yield, he goes into a shell unless they give him time to recover, which is what Clottey did. Neither Pacquiao, nor margarito gave him that time. And Foreman wasn't a puncher. Then again, looking at Margarito lately, he isn't the same fighter either, if it came down to who is the more shot between the two, I'd probably say Margarito, especially after the beating he took a few nights ago. Cotto has proven he can outbox Margarito, and avoid his punishment, it was his own pride and being stupid that got him in trouble the last time. I don't think Stewart would let him make the same mistake twice.

Be interested to see how Margaritos mug holds up. Have never seen that type of lumping and damage on him and no doubt even a battle weary Cotto will land o' plenty on him. Styles and execution I think Tony stops him again. Uppercuts,body and backing Cotto to square on ropes was key and Margaritos knows his chin can take what Cotto has,and so does Cotto.

Originally Posted by Spicoli

Be interested to see how Margaritos mug holds up. Have never seen that type of lumping and damage on him and no doubt even a battle weary Cotto will land o' plenty on him. Styles and execution I think Tony stops him again. Uppercuts,body and backing Cotto to square on ropes was key and Margaritos knows his chin can take what Cotto has,and so does Cotto.

That was before he was stopped by Mosley and looked terrible in the last two fights and getting busted up badly. Cotto has taken less damage since the Margarito fight than Margarito has imo.