Thread: p4p, legacy, and resume which one takes it? PBF,Pac, RJJ

So in terms of p4p, legacy, and resume when you look at all 3 who comes out on top? PBF, Pac, or RJJ? All 3 have held the p4p crown and has beaten some damn good opposition, along with who has the better legacy?

My vote goes to Roy. The man never lost a fight in his prime and was dominating nor was he in controversial fights where boxing fans have argued on the legitimacy of a win. I can't say that with Pac and PBF. P4P I say he was more dominating than both Pac and PBF and I say he whips them both in a p4p matchup. The only thing I will concede is that overall resume Pac and PBF is better than Roy, but Roy has a win over prime and undefeated Toney, not to mentioned Hopkins. People keep on saying Hopkins wasn't prime but guess what neither was Roy at the time when they met. Pac's and PBF's 2 greatest wins still don't equal Roy's 2 greatest wins. Not to mentioned Roy is the 2nd MW to ever win a HW crown.

A lot of people have said Pac lost to JMM in at least 1 of the 2 fights (some say both), and a lot of people have said Floyd lost to Castillo in their 1st fight. But prime Roy didn't have a controversial win like that. Key word here is prime if someone wants to bring up Roy's controversial win over Tarver in the 1st fight, that wasn't prime Roy. And the DQ he got over Griffin in the 1st fight was a great acting job by Griffin.

Discuss.

Hard one cos Roy did it with flair and cockiness and didn't lose legit!! And had all the belts, mayweather and PAC just fight for money.

I'd say Roy. But the winner or mayweather vs PAC will change that maybe. Someone quote me

Really good question! I'd have all 3 top 10 p4p all time! Can't split them.
If RJJ had've retired after the Ruiz fight, I'm pretty sure that most people would have him top 3 p4p of all time.

On paper, Floyd has one hell of a CV. But in his prime Roy was untouchable. More so than the others.

Pac is just a freak of nature gaining weight while keeping his speed and power. He may just keep going though, he'll be 80 at 20 stone.

I can't pick them. Not with any certainty.

As it stands right now and all of them never fought again, I just couldn't call it. Like someone said it might all hinge on PAC vs floyd if it ever happens

When Greb beat Tunney arguably twice and in the other three scraps they had, he never asked Gene to make 168 pounds. Nor did he when he defeated a number of promising heavyweights ask for any demands. Greb was not a big middle weight. And this was done during an era of 8 divisions. Now that’s pound for pound. I sincerely mean no offense to anyone in my first few posts on this forum but p4p today for me is an metaphor for favourite and in some cases mediocrity. Add Hbo and the like saying who will fight whom and then piggybacked by PPV, the term may even be quite meaningless.

Pac no question about it

p4p - If they ever fought. Roy Jones Jr.

Legacy,Resume - Manny Pacquiao easily

Originally Posted by miron_lang

p4p - If they ever fought. Roy Jones Jr.

Legacy,Resume - Manny Pacquiao easily

easily how so? Jones has pretty much done the same thing as Manny, if anything it's more impressive given the drastic gaps between weight classes, both guys went up 40+ lbs and won titles, Jones skipped Cruiserweight completely and went straight to HW, his resume is as good as any others, and given how long he was dominant i'd say he's all around better than Pacquiao and Mayweather

Originally Posted by generalbulldog

So in terms of p4p, legacy, and resume when you look at all 3 who comes out on top? PBF, Pac, or RJJ? All 3 have held the p4p crown and has beaten some damn good opposition, along with who has the better legacy?

My vote goes to Roy. The man never lost a fight in his prime and was dominating nor was he in controversial fights where boxing fans have argued on the legitimacy of a win. I can't say that with Pac and PBF. P4P I say he was more dominating than both Pac and PBF and I say he whips them both in a p4p matchup. The only thing I will concede is that overall resume Pac and PBF is better than Roy, but Roy has a win over prime and undefeated Toney, not to mentioned Hopkins. People keep on saying Hopkins wasn't prime but guess what neither was Roy at the time when they met. Pac's and PBF's 2 greatest wins still don't equal Roy's 2 greatest wins. Not to mentioned Roy is the 2nd MW to ever win a HW crown.

A lot of people have said Pac lost to JMM in at least 1 of the 2 fights (some say both), and a lot of people have said Floyd lost to Castillo in their 1st fight. But prime Roy didn't have a controversial win like that. Key word here is prime if someone wants to bring up Roy's controversial win over Tarver in the 1st fight, that wasn't prime Roy. And the DQ he got over Griffin in the 1st fight was a great acting job by Griffin.

Discuss.

though i agree. Prime is a highly subjective term.

Floyd never lost at all.

Pac was 17 and 19 when he got kayoed and was a green triple double jab left straight fighter against Morales obviously he wasn't Prime then.

All three fighters never lost in their primes

Griffin wasn't acting. he was hit while complaining to the ref. he was really hurt.

Roy Jones Jr. is still THE MAN. His legacy is above Pacquaio and Mayweather.

Its not just WHO you beat but HOW you beat them. And Roy Jones absolutely dominated and humiliated world champions. He made them look like club fighters.

He is the most dominant boxer of all time.

I think until PBF & Pac conclude or wind down you really can't tell...

If I had to put them in order now.
I'd have RJJ, PBF, Pac.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

When Greb beat Tunney arguably twice and in the other three scraps they had, he never asked Gene to make 168 pounds. Nor did he when he defeated a number of promising heavyweights ask for any demands. Greb was not a big middle weight. And this was done during an era of 8 divisions. Now that’s pound for pound. I sincerely mean no offense to anyone in my first few posts on this forum but p4p today for me is an metaphor for favourite and in some cases mediocrity. Add Hbo and the like saying who will fight whom and then piggybacked by PPV, the term may even be quite meaningless.

Believe me, no offense taken. You posted your opinion which is very valid and I agree with it.

Originally Posted by miron_lang

Originally Posted by generalbulldog

So in terms of p4p, legacy, and resume when you look at all 3 who comes out on top? PBF, Pac, or RJJ? All 3 have held the p4p crown and has beaten some damn good opposition, along with who has the better legacy?

My vote goes to Roy. The man never lost a fight in his prime and was dominating nor was he in controversial fights where boxing fans have argued on the legitimacy of a win. I can't say that with Pac and PBF. P4P I say he was more dominating than both Pac and PBF and I say he whips them both in a p4p matchup. The only thing I will concede is that overall resume Pac and PBF is better than Roy, but Roy has a win over prime and undefeated Toney, not to mentioned Hopkins. People keep on saying Hopkins wasn't prime but guess what neither was Roy at the time when they met. Pac's and PBF's 2 greatest wins still don't equal Roy's 2 greatest wins. Not to mentioned Roy is the 2nd MW to ever win a HW crown.

A lot of people have said Pac lost to JMM in at least 1 of the 2 fights (some say both), and a lot of people have said Floyd lost to Castillo in their 1st fight. But prime Roy didn't have a controversial win like that. Key word here is prime if someone wants to bring up Roy's controversial win over Tarver in the 1st fight, that wasn't prime Roy. And the DQ he got over Griffin in the 1st fight was a great acting job by Griffin.

Discuss.

though i agree. Prime is a highly subjective term.

Floyd never lost at all.

Pac was 17 and 19 when he got kayoed and was a green triple double jab left straight fighter against Morales obviously he wasn't Prime then.

All three fighters never lost in their primes

Griffin wasn't acting. he was hit while complaining to the ref. he was really hurt.

Curious to know what you consider Pacs prime...
When did it start?

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Curious to know what you consider Pacs prime...
When did it start?

I would say David Diaz.

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by miron_lang

p4p - If they ever fought. Roy Jones Jr.

Legacy,Resume - Manny Pacquiao easily

easily how so? Jones has pretty much done the same thing as Manny, if anything it's more impressive given the drastic gaps between weight classes, both guys went up 40+ lbs and won titles, Jones skipped Cruiserweight completely and went straight to HW, his resume is as good as any others, and given how long he was dominant i'd say he's all around better than Pacquiao and Mayweather

Roy is great but he didnt tangle with so many other great contemporaries which is a little back slash i would think.

I take back the 'easily' part. But i think its a little clear.