p4p, legacy, and resume which one takes it? PBF,Pac, RJJ

[IamInuit]

When Greb beat Tunney arguably twice and in the other three scraps they had, he never asked Gene to make 168 pounds. Nor did he when he defeated a number of promising heavyweights ask for any demands. Greb was not a big middle weight. And this was done during an era of 8 divisions. Now that’s pound for pound. I sincerely mean no offense to anyone in my first few posts on this forum but p4p today for me is an metaphor for favourite and in some cases mediocrity. Add Hbo and the like saying who will fight whom and then piggybacked by PPV, the term may even be quite meaningless.

[gest12645]

Pac no question about it

[miron_lang]

p4p - If they ever fought. Roy Jones Jr.

Legacy,Resume - Manny Pacquiao easily

[ElTerribleMorales]

p4p - If they ever fought. Roy Jones Jr.

Legacy,Resume - Manny Pacquiao easily

easily how so? Jones has pretty much done the same thing as Manny, if anything it's more impressive given the drastic gaps between weight classes, both guys went up 40+ lbs and won titles, Jones skipped Cruiserweight completely and went straight to HW, his resume is as good as any others, and given how long he was dominant i'd say he's all around better than Pacquiao and Mayweather

[miron_lang]

p4p - If they ever fought. Roy Jones Jr.

Legacy,Resume - Manny Pacquiao easily

easily how so? Jones has pretty much done the same thing as Manny, if anything it's more impressive given the drastic gaps between weight classes, both guys went up 40+ lbs and won titles, Jones skipped Cruiserweight completely and went straight to HW, his resume is as good as any others, and given how long he was dominant i'd say he's all around better than Pacquiao and Mayweather

Roy is great but he didnt tangle with so many other great contemporaries which is a little back slash i would think.

I take back the 'easily' part. But i think its a little clear.

[Taeth]

Pacquiao's career in every aspect has eclipsed both of the other two's despite the fact I think mayweather is better. RJJ is one of my two favorites all time, but I don't see his career as great as these two, nor do I see him beating either one p4p. He was more talented than either, but they are nearly his equal in that regard, but they have far more determination and a much better work ethic.

[Hulk]

Pacquiao's career in every aspect has eclipsed both of the other two's despite the fact I think mayweather is better. RJJ is one of my two favorites all time, but I don't see his career as great as these two, nor do I see him beating either one p4p. He was more talented than either, but they are nearly his equal in that regard, but they have far more determination and a much better work ethic.

If they were in the same weight class, I don't think either could win much over a few rounds against Roy Jones.

Roy Jones is the most talented fighter who ever lived. And one of the fastest.

Pacquaio has begun to dominate larger opponents these last few years like Roy used to, so I can see some comparison to Roy.

But how anyone can think Floyd is better than Roy Jones I do not know...

I mean he had a close fight with an aging Oscar Delahoya, and he lost the first Castillo fight.

[JazMerkin]

It's Mayweather for me. I think both Mayweather & Pacquiao have resumes superior to Jones, and all this talk about prime is very convenient, but let's face it, prime just means when someone wasn't losing. Mike Tyson was prime until he fought Buster Douglas. Donald Curry was prime until he fought Lloyd Honeyghan.

For me, he may have beat Hopkins but it was no more convincing to me than Mayweather's win over ODLH or Pacquiao's 2nd win over Barrera. His win over Toney is impressive, but other than those two fights the opposition is too weak to me. In contrast, PBF & Pac have fought a combination of Oscar, Hatton, Mosley, Corrales, Marquez, Castillo, Barrera, Morales, Cotto, Judah, Margarito, Gatti, Genaro Hernandez, Sasakul. That's 14 possible future hall of famers between them, with at least eight I'd consider nailed on. Each has fought at least five.

Granted Jones lost a lot of weight to fight Tarver, but so did Toney when losing to Jones, so you can't have excuses one way and ignore them another. Personally I see Tarver, Johnson & Calzaghe as the best fighters Jones faced outside of B-Hop & Toney, and granted he may or may not have been past it, he still lost convincingly to all of them.

He may be the greatest athlete out of all of them, but there's not enough to prove he's the best, and in a p4p match-up, I have to ask who Jones fought who was as quick p4p as either of these guys.

I find it hard to split the other 2. I think if they both retire today, Manny has the better legacy, I'd favour PBF in p4p and their resumes are similar imo. I think on the basis that I think Mayweather is the better boxer, I'd favour him.

1) Floyd
2) Manny
3) Roy

[ono]

It's Mayweather for me. I think both Mayweather & Pacquiao have resumes superior to Jones, and all this talk about prime is very convenient, but let's face it, prime just means when someone wasn't losing. Mike Tyson was prime until he fought Buster Douglas. Donald Curry was prime until he fought Lloyd Honeyghan.

For me, he may have beat Hopkins but it was no more convincing to me than Mayweather's win over ODLH or Pacquiao's 2nd win over Barrera. His win over Toney is impressive, but other than those two fights the opposition is too weak to me. In contrast, PBF & Pac have fought a combination of Oscar, Hatton, Mosley, Corrales, Marquez, Castillo, Barrera, Morales, Cotto, Judah, Margarito, Gatti, Genaro Hernandez, Sasakul. That's 14 possible future hall of famers between them, with at least eight I'd consider nailed on. Each has fought at least five.

Granted Jones lost a lot of weight to fight Tarver, but so did Toney when losing to Jones, so you can't have excuses one way and ignore them another. Personally I see Tarver, Johnson & Calzaghe as the best fighters Jones faced outside of B-Hop & Toney, and granted he may or may not have been past it, he still lost convincingly to all of them.

He may be the greatest athlete out of all of them, but there's not enough to prove he's the best, and in a p4p match-up, I have to ask who Jones fought who was as quick p4p as either of these guys.

I find it hard to split the other 2. I think if they both retire today, Manny has the better legacy, I'd favour PBF in p4p and their resumes are similar imo. I think on the basis that I think Mayweather is the better boxer, I'd favour him.

1) Floyd
2) Manny
3) Roy

This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter.

[rjj tszyu]

IMO without a doubt it's RJJ. Freak of nature are the words that best sum this extraordinary fighter up when he was in his prime!

[AdamGB]

Roy.

He might not have titles in quite as many weight classes as Pac... but every one of them was a REAL weight class... no fucking about moving up 4 pounds and no catchweights etc.

He has damaged his legacy slightly in recent fights by going on too long... but prime for prime he was much more untouchable.

[CutMeMick]

I think until PBF & Pac conclude or wind down you really can't tell...

If I had to put them in order now.
I'd have RJJ, PBF, Pac.

When Greb beat Tunney arguably twice and in the other three scraps they had, he never asked Gene to make 168 pounds. Nor did he when he defeated a number of promising heavyweights ask for any demands. Greb was not a big middle weight. And this was done during an era of 8 divisions. Now that’s pound for pound. I sincerely mean no offense to anyone in my first few posts on this forum but p4p today for me is an metaphor for favourite and in some cases mediocrity. Add Hbo and the like saying who will fight whom and then piggybacked by PPV, the term may even be quite meaningless.

Believe me, no offense taken. You posted your opinion which is very valid and I agree with it.