p4p, legacy, and resume which one takes it? PBF,Pac, RJJ

[miron_lang]

So in terms of p4p, legacy, and resume when you look at all 3 who comes out on top? PBF, Pac, or RJJ? All 3 have held the p4p crown and has beaten some damn good opposition, along with who has the better legacy?

My vote goes to Roy. The man never lost a fight in his prime and was dominating nor was he in controversial fights where boxing fans have argued on the legitimacy of a win. I can't say that with Pac and PBF. P4P I say he was more dominating than both Pac and PBF and I say he whips them both in a p4p matchup. The only thing I will concede is that overall resume Pac and PBF is better than Roy, but Roy has a win over prime and undefeated Toney, not to mentioned Hopkins. People keep on saying Hopkins wasn't prime but guess what neither was Roy at the time when they met. Pac's and PBF's 2 greatest wins still don't equal Roy's 2 greatest wins. Not to mentioned Roy is the 2nd MW to ever win a HW crown.

A lot of people have said Pac lost to JMM in at least 1 of the 2 fights (some say both), and a lot of people have said Floyd lost to Castillo in their 1st fight. But prime Roy didn't have a controversial win like that. Key word here is prime if someone wants to bring up Roy's controversial win over Tarver in the 1st fight, that wasn't prime Roy. And the DQ he got over Griffin in the 1st fight was a great acting job by Griffin.

Discuss.

though i agree. Prime is a highly subjective term.

Floyd never lost at all.

Pac was 17 and 19 when he got kayoed and was a green triple double jab left straight fighter against Morales obviously he wasn't Prime then.

All three fighters never lost in their primes

Griffin wasn't acting. he was hit while complaining to the ref. he was really hurt.

[Hulk]

Roy Jones Jr. is still THE MAN. His legacy is above Pacquaio and Mayweather.

Its not just WHO you beat but HOW you beat them. And Roy Jones absolutely dominated and humiliated world champions. He made them look like club fighters.

He is the most dominant boxer of all time.

[CutMeMick]

So in terms of p4p, legacy, and resume when you look at all 3 who comes out on top? PBF, Pac, or RJJ? All 3 have held the p4p crown and has beaten some damn good opposition, along with who has the better legacy?

My vote goes to Roy. The man never lost a fight in his prime and was dominating nor was he in controversial fights where boxing fans have argued on the legitimacy of a win. I can't say that with Pac and PBF. P4P I say he was more dominating than both Pac and PBF and I say he whips them both in a p4p matchup. The only thing I will concede is that overall resume Pac and PBF is better than Roy, but Roy has a win over prime and undefeated Toney, not to mentioned Hopkins. People keep on saying Hopkins wasn't prime but guess what neither was Roy at the time when they met. Pac's and PBF's 2 greatest wins still don't equal Roy's 2 greatest wins. Not to mentioned Roy is the 2nd MW to ever win a HW crown.

A lot of people have said Pac lost to JMM in at least 1 of the 2 fights (some say both), and a lot of people have said Floyd lost to Castillo in their 1st fight. But prime Roy didn't have a controversial win like that. Key word here is prime if someone wants to bring up Roy's controversial win over Tarver in the 1st fight, that wasn't prime Roy. And the DQ he got over Griffin in the 1st fight was a great acting job by Griffin.

Discuss.

though i agree. Prime is a highly subjective term.

Floyd never lost at all.

Pac was 17 and 19 when he got kayoed and was a green triple double jab left straight fighter against Morales obviously he wasn't Prime then.

All three fighters never lost in their primes

Griffin wasn't acting. he was hit while complaining to the ref. he was really hurt.

Curious to know what you consider Pacs prime...
When did it start?

[miron_lang]

Curious to know what you consider Pacs prime...
When did it start?

I would say David Diaz.

[CutMeMick]

Curious to know what you consider Pacs prime...
When did it start?

I would say David Diaz.

Wow!!! So everything he did pre-Diaz was just him before he reached his prime?

I've said this before in another thread where we discussed his prime.
I said that to me Pac has had one of the longest primes.
I think it started since the MAB fight and it's still on today.

[Spicoli]

P4P is a gawdy marketing tool. Thats about it.

I think Mayweather is the most fundamentally sound boxer of the three. He also has the cleanest record with a big fat "0". I think thats THE only reason he fought JMM was for mythical p4p cred. I could flip a coin on Jones and Pac. Who's faced the best of his era and all comers....Manny for me. Jones jr on paper wipes deck with Benn-Eubanks etc etc....but...he didn't. Doing and talking about doing are different animals entirely. Then Mayweather who at times acts like he's more suited for some bad episode of 'The Jersey shore' then a professional ring.

[miron_lang]

Curious to know what you consider Pacs prime...
When did it start?

I would say David Diaz.

Wow!!! So everything he did pre-Diaz was just him before he reached his prime?

I've said this before in another thread where we discussed his prime.
I said that to me Pac has had one of the longest primes.
I think it started since the MAB fight and it's still on today.

IMO

Fighters prime can be attributed to two things.

1. Technical Prime - Where fighters add techniques and adjust styles
2. Physical Prime - Can easily be described as fighters natural gifts like speed, stamina, remarkable chin etc.


I agree Pac's Physical prime came againts Barrera but his skills is still developing at that time which i think he reached againts Diaz with the addition of the consistent right hand and better defense.


When physical prime goes down hill of course everything follows. Roy is not as effective when his insane reflexes faded.

again just my opinion.

[generalbulldog]

Yall must have forgot!




Roy's 2 biggest wins in Toney and Hopkins > Pac's win over faded MAB, declining and catchweight Cotto and Floyd's win over Corrales and 147 Hatton.

[Kev]

Yall must have forgot!




Roy's 2 biggest wins in Toney and Hopkins > Pac's win over faded MAB, declining and catchweight Cotto and Floyd's win over Corrales and 147 Hatton.

Why must you once again denigrate Manny's wins here compared to the others?

Wasn't Toney massively weight drained? And Hopkins still fairly green, compared to the technical king of awkwardness he would later become?

And didn't Floyd force Coralles to fight in a weight class he could no longer make? And didn't he force Ricky up to a weight class he was clearly not suited for?

I'm not criticising these fighters, or the fights, just highlighting the anti Pac bias that we have on these boards.

Knocking out Barrera and Miguel Cotto are MASSIVE wins and arguably more impressive than outpointing Toney and Hopknis like Jones Jr did.

Also Jones won a world title at heavy against a notoriously mediocre belt holder. Manny has beaten, nay destroyed the best fighters in the weight classes he has move up to.

You can argue about catchweights, but no fighter in history has moved the weight classes like Manny has, and destroyed the best the weight classes can offer.