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No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
He is 48 and yes he doesnt fight a dynamic style that looks like he could be on something but did Toney look like he was on them?
A year ago no one would have a bad word said against Lance Armstrong, if you did you were jealous and a hater. He has admitted now to using very suffisticated methods for years. Why would it be out of the realms of possibility for someone like Hopkins?
We have learnt with boxing when something looks too good to be true it generally turns out that way.
There was the time that Pascal asked him to take a test and Hopkins got more riled than I think we have ever seen him but gave no answer. Hopkins Pascal II press conference steroids issue and what they have to say after. - YouTube
Also, one of the best and simplest methods to test for any substances amd is like a diary depending on how long is hair testing and Bernard shaves his head. They use hair testing commonly for new recruits in the police and other job applications but have never cottoned on in boxing. Now could this he because it is too comprehensive and they would prefer the smoke screen of pathetic urine testing?
I cant help but be suspicious of Hopkins. Years ago at middle weight he was losing it against the likes of Taylor but now years later and at a higher weight his work rate has improved?
Hopkins threw and landed more against Cloud than he did in the Taylor rematch over 7 years ago! Even against Dawson he threw more and against Calzaghe he threw more still!
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it wouldnt suprise me if he is
then again if you picked the top 10 lb4lb boxers in the world and told me 9 of them were on peds that wouldnt suprise me either
you make some good points
Martinez has got bigger, faster stringer with age, i wonder what type of testing that fella takes
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His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?
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His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?
He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?
Like I said, look at James Toney!
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His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?
He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?
Like I said, look at James Toney!
You explain to me how a man on "sophisticated steroid" hasn't scored a knockout for ten years.
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It is very difficult to sit through a Hopkins fight. There was more action in the Press conference link that you provided @ross and it was definitely more entertaining. I don't think his lack of hair has anything to do with anything. He fights like an Old man not a young man so I don't think he is the most obvious user of P.E.D's if he is using, but like Eric it would not surprise me.
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Look he takes care of himself completely all the time, most boxers between fights eat and drink loads of shit. Hopkins has always been renowned for that. He just fights a perfect old man fight picking off mistakes and smothering and taking breathers. I really dont think hes taking anything my old coaxh was 50 and like hopkins he really took care of himself he had a better body than me and was still giving young pros and champions trouble in the ring.
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Explain how he is now throwing more punches than he was as a middlewieght 8 years ago?
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Explain how he is now throwing more punches than he was as a middlewieght 8 years ago?
His tactics are different?
He wasn't training right?
There's any reasons.
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Explain how he is now throwing more punches than he was as a middlewieght 8 years ago?
His tactics are different?
He wasn't training right?
There's any reasons.
All bullshit.
You do not get better stamina or a better work rate than when you were in your 30s at forty fucking eight!
Read back what you said and then think, "oh yeah he is fucking 48"
Name another sport where someone has been able to do more work as they get older, let alone up to 48!
All the people saying "he lives a spartan lifestyle, doesnt drink or smoke and keeps himself in shape" will all be the same people rubbishing the rumours about Lance Armstrong for years. Naive...
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I would be surprised if he wasn't using something, at the very least recieving TRT (which would obviously be perfectly legal for a guy his age).
But seriously, even if Bhop is on every PED under the sun, the fact that he's having such a high level of success at 48 is still completely INSANE. There are a ton of guys who use steroids and other PED's and don't have that kind of staying power.
Regardless of what he's using, the guy is a freak of nature.
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Explain how he is now throwing more punches than he was as a middlewieght 8 years ago?
His tactics are different?
He wasn't training right?
There's any reasons.
All bullshit.
You do not get better stamina or a better work rate than when you were in your 30s at forty fucking eight!
Read back what you said and then think, "oh yeah he is fucking 48"
Name another sport where someone has been able to do more work as they get older, let alone up to 48!
All the people saying "he lives a spartan lifestyle, doesnt drink or smoke and keeps himself in shape" will all be the same people rubbishing the rumours about Lance Armstrong for years. Naive...
Look at formanes return. He was smarter and he went the distance with an inform and in prime unbeaten Holyfield.
He never threw more punches but still.
I think you're another idiot tbh. PEDS PEDS PEDS.
1stly it is none of your business.
2ndly who gives a shit?
Like you say he's 48. So they've had a LONG time to catch him.
Jesus, get over it. I don't even like Hopkins, I hope he does get found out to be using them, but until then, stfu and watch the fights.
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I suspected that he is incredibly good at picking the right opponents.
Seriously, he should have no punch resitance, his kness and shoulders should be completely shot and should be lucky to be fighting 6 rounds. Absolute freek.
There is some unknown element to his success.
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ross
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Vendettos
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ross
Explain how he is now throwing more punches than he was as a middlewieght 8 years ago?
His tactics are different?
He wasn't training right?
There's any reasons.
All bullshit.
You do not get better stamina or a better work rate than when you were in your 30s at forty fucking eight!
Read back what you said and then think, "oh yeah he is fucking 48"
Name another sport where someone has been able to do more work as they get older, let alone up to 48!
All the people saying "he lives a spartan lifestyle, doesnt drink or smoke and keeps himself in shape" will all be the same people rubbishing the rumours about Lance Armstrong for years. Naive...
Look at formanes return. He was smarter and he went the distance with an inform and in prime unbeaten Holyfield.
He never threw more punches but still.
I think you're another idiot tbh. PEDS PEDS PEDS.
1stly it is none of your business.
2ndly who gives a shit?
Like you say he's 48. So they've had a LONG time to catch him.
Jesus, get over it. I don't even like Hopkins, I hope he does get found out to be using them, but until then, stfu and watch the fights.
Haha! I do t want to upset you too much sissy knickers or you might "literally tightened up like I was going to cry" again....;D
No, Foreman never threw more punches than he did and Foremans thing was k ock out some bums or fight better opposition and just have the shit kicked out of you and take it while trying to land a single big shot. Whereas Hopkins is on a genuine world level and throwing more punches per fight now than he was 8 years ago as a middleweight.
Dont tighten up or cry ;)
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ross
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Vendettos
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ross
Explain how he is now throwing more punches than he was as a middlewieght 8 years ago?
His tactics are different?
He wasn't training right?
There's any reasons.
All bullshit.
You do not get better stamina or a better work rate than when you were in your 30s at forty fucking eight!
Read back what you said and then think, "oh yeah he is fucking 48"
Name another sport where someone has been able to do more work as they get older, let alone up to 48!
All the people saying "he lives a spartan lifestyle, doesnt drink or smoke and keeps himself in shape" will all be the same people rubbishing the rumours about Lance Armstrong for years. Naive...
Look at formanes return. He was smarter and he went the distance with an inform and in prime unbeaten Holyfield.
He never threw more punches but still.
I think you're another idiot tbh. PEDS PEDS PEDS.
1stly it is none of your business.
2ndly who gives a shit?
Like you say he's 48. So they've had a LONG time to catch him.
Jesus, get over it. I don't even like Hopkins, I hope he does get found out to be using them, but until then, stfu and watch the fights.
Haha! I do t want to upset you too much sissy knickers or you might "literally tightened up like I was going to cry" again....;D
No, Foreman never threw more punches than he did and Foremans thing was k ock out some bums or fight better opposition and just have the shit kicked out of you and take it while trying to land a single big shot. Whereas Hopkins is on a genuine world level and throwing more punches per fight now than he was 8 years ago as a middleweight.
Dont tighten up or cry ;)
:'( David Price was so unlucky.
But you don't have what it takes to make me cry princess ;)
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
Frankly, after all we've seen, can't we say that practically every boxer takes PED's, unless they are committed to year-round, random, blood and urine testing? I didn't always have that opinion, but now, I can't help but think that unless someone is transparent with testing, it is suspicious.
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The only guy I'mk not suspicious about is Donaire. Hopkins could be taking EPO, which increases the amount of oxygen carried by the blood and so massively boosts stamina. All the cyclists take it. It's undetectable one hour after injecting. He could also be taking |HGH which improves recovery time and helps with injuries. Also basically undetectable. There are other things as well. Even if he is taking stuff, and he probably is, he's still an amzing fighter and a freak of nature.
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I have never cared for Hopkins, his hood, his mask, his stroke across his neck, his stare downs, the way he grabs and holds, the way he holds and hits, the way he pulls his opponent's head down, the way he always tries to get that last punch in at the bell, his elbows and head butts-didn't see any against Cloud-his act of astonishment whenever he loses-with his boxing IQ he knows exactly where he stands every moment of every fight he's in-but I especially dislike the magnanimous talk he gives to everyone he beats-stick that little pep talk up your ass Bernard.
It's easy to see where I stand with The Executioner, but I have never considered banned drugs. I could be wrong-Armstrong had a lot of us fooled in the US. I have no idea, he might be tested all the time, but if he isn't, maybe he should be.
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Frankly, after all we've seen, can't we say that practically every boxer takes PED's, unless they are committed to year-round, random, blood and urine testing? I didn't always have that opinion, but now, I can't help but think that unless someone is transparent with testing, it is suspicious.
Gotta agree. People will say "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY", but if you have even a smidge of knowledge of the PED culture, you'd know how insufficient drug testing has been.
And the more niave fans will say: "no I don't think he cheats, he seems like a nice guy".
Look at Lance Armstrong: he was a media darling his whole career. And he got away with it for 15 years or more, and only got caught because he pissed a bunch of people off and they dimed him out.
The sad fact is you really can't know for sure...
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Boxing has to be the hardest sport of all. Even in a less physical sport like football/soccer you would never see a 48 year old player in a world cup.
I will not believe any fighter is clean until they do voluntary random testing leading up to a fight. Why doesnt someone go out and do some renegade testing of hair? Wouldnt be too hard to nab a hair from a brush or a pube from a shower;D
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His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?
He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?
Like I said, look at James Toney!
Paying attention to his fights. Every round where he's very active it's usually followed by an inactive round. He gasses and than rests up. Pascal and Cloud let him get away with it. Dawson wouldn't
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I am not a Hopkins fan but why don't we wait until the tests after a fight come in. In the meantime consider that Hopkins plays mind games and gets under your skin. He did prison time and that is one of the things you need to survive and quite frankly he seems to do that to everyone look at who he associates with at Golden Boy, do you think they are bosom buddies? Hopkins is a master of psyche and the next opponent should develope a hearing problem at those meetings. Some of you out there hating certain announcers turned me on to this way of thinking, turn off the volume but remember the world or the opponent is still out there, you just don't hear all those mouths.
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He's so much smarter than Cloud he won just the way we thought he would, if Hopkins were on PEDs he would be even more dominant
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He's so much smarter than Cloud he won just the way we thought he would, if Hopkins were on PEDs he would be even more dominant
Haha! Yeah right!
You lot think by anyone taking peformance enhancing drugs will instantly turn them in to superman. No. Hopkins is skillfull but he is fucking 48! Even with drugs he's not going to turn in to Mike Tyson!
To me, whatever he is taking is allowing him to work harder now than he did 8 years ago. You dont start training harder at 48, after that many middleweight defences...
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Violent Demise
His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?
He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?
Like I said, look at James Toney!
According to compubox:-
Hopkins v Trinidad 653 punches thrown in 2001
Hopkins v Winky 640 punches thrown in 2007
Hopkins v Calzaghe 468 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Pavlik 540 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Dawson 2 punches thrown 400 in 2012
Hopkins v Cloud 417 punches thrown in 2013
What was your point?
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Well considering our testosterone levels start to diminish naturally in our early 30s (which is why if you look back at the greats of yesterday, they were all shit by the time they were 35-40 with few exceptions), if Bhop hasn't been using hormone replacement therapy or PED's, he needs to be brought to the Smithsonian and studied thoroughly.
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Well considering our testosterone levels start to diminish naturally in our early 30s (which is why if you look back at the greats of yesterday, they were all shit by the time they were 35-40 with few exceptions), if Bhop hasn't been using hormone replacement therapy or PED's, he needs to be brought to the Smithsonian and studied thoroughly.
I think it's more a case of Hopkins living a very clean life, starting late, and looking good against mediocre fighters. Hopkins looked his age against Calzaghe or Dawson, and Ward would butcher him, but against the lethargic also-rans at light heavy he can still look like a spring chick.
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ross
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Violent Demise
His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?
He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?
Like I said, look at James Toney!
According to compubox:-
Hopkins v Trinidad 653 punches thrown in 2001
Hopkins v Winky 640 punches thrown in 2007
Hopkins v Calzaghe 468 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Pavlik 540 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Dawson 2 punches thrown 400 in 2012
Hopkins v Cloud 417 punches thrown in 2013
What was your point?
Hopkins vs Taylor, a fighter his own size at middleweight he threw 371. He throws less against fighters his own size but you cannot deny that from throwing 371 in 2005 when he was already 40 to throwing 400 against Dawson and 417 against Cloud 8 years later is not in he slightest suspicious?:rolleyes:
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I'm a little suspicious but I'm not going to be all butt hurt about my guy Cloud getting beat. Hopkins can be on something and still get beaten, look at Wlad vs Wach. Wach was on PEDs and lost every single round.
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ross
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Bobthepen
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ross
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Violent Demise
His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?
He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?
Like I said, look at James Toney!
According to compubox:-
Hopkins v Trinidad 653 punches thrown in 2001
Hopkins v Winky 640 punches thrown in 2007
Hopkins v Calzaghe 468 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Pavlik 540 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Dawson 2 punches thrown 400 in 2012
Hopkins v Cloud 417 punches thrown in 2013
What was your point?
Hopkins vs Taylor, a fighter his own size at middleweight he threw 371. He throws less against fighters his own size but you cannot deny that from throwing 371 in 2005 when he was already 40 to throwing 400 against Dawson and 417 against Cloud 8 years later is not in he slightest suspicious?:rolleyes:
Taylor was an outstanding athlete, with quick hands, quick feet, and good lateral movement. Nobody throws a lot of punches against a guy like that. It's like asking why Pacquiao's punch output drops when he fights Marquez.
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ross
He is 48 and yes he doesnt fight a dynamic style that looks like he could be on something but did Toney look like he was on them?
A year ago no one would have a bad word said against Lance Armstrong, if you did you were jealous and a hater. He has admitted now to using very suffisticated methods for years. Why would it be out of the realms of possibility for someone like Hopkins?
We have learnt with boxing when something looks too good to be true it generally turns out that way.
There was the time that Pascal asked him to take a test and Hopkins got more riled than I think we have ever seen him but gave no answer.
Hopkins Pascal II press conference steroids issue and what they have to say after. - YouTube
Also, one of the best and simplest methods to test for any substances amd is like a diary depending on how long is hair testing and Bernard shaves his head. They use hair testing commonly for new recruits in the police and other job applications but have never cottoned on in boxing. Now could this he because it is too comprehensive and they would prefer the smoke screen of pathetic urine testing?
I cant help but be suspicious of Hopkins. Years ago at middle weight he was losing it against the likes of Taylor but now years later and at a higher weight his work rate has improved?
Hopkins threw and landed more against Cloud than he did in the Taylor rematch over 7 years ago! Even against Dawson he threw more and against Calzaghe he threw more still!
I'm a lil more suspicious about the slim chance, but a chance nonetheless, that Cloud and other opponents could be paid off to let B-Hop win. I'm a huge Hopkins fan and I believe his wins are authentic, but with boxing you never know...
As far as the Taylor example, well Bernard was DRAINED down to 160 at an advanced age so he really had to conserve his energy. And Jermain Taylor was unbeaten then and a very perceived threat. He was perceived as better than he was by the press, fans and Hopkins himself.
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Violent Demise
His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?
He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?
Like I said, look at James Toney!
According to compubox:-
Hopkins v Trinidad 653 punches thrown in 2001
Hopkins v Winky 640 punches thrown in 2007
Hopkins v Calzaghe 468 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Pavlik 540 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Dawson 2 punches thrown 400 in 2012
Hopkins v Cloud 417 punches thrown in 2013
What was your point?
Hopkins vs Taylor, a fighter his own size at middleweight he threw 371. He throws less against fighters his own size but you cannot deny that from throwing 371 in 2005 when he was already 40 to throwing 400 against Dawson and 417 against Cloud 8 years later is not in he slightest suspicious?:rolleyes:
Taylor was an outstanding athlete, with quick hands, quick feet, and good lateral movement. Nobody throws a lot of punches against a guy like that. It's like asking why Pacquiao's punch output drops when he fights Marquez.
Unless your Cory Spinks 542 or Winky Wight 643 both ex light middles...
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Jermain was a very good fighter until the partying caught up with him....and also the end of both of the fights vs Hopkins probably made him damaged goods.
Hopkins is who he is, he's always been a difficult fight because he's so damned cagey. He's awkward & strong & a good ring general, but I will say I hate the dude. I just wish Roy Jones Jr rematched him a lot sooner than when he did, but also that was B-Hop's doing as well as he wasn't going to leave 160 til he got beaten & Roy could no longer make the weight.
I wonder how Hop would have done vs Eubank, Benn, Collins, Jackson, Toney et al
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Jermain was a very good fighter until the partying caught up with him....and also the end of both of the fights vs Hopkins probably made him damaged goods.
Hopkins is who he is, he's always been a difficult fight because he's so damned cagey. He's awkward & strong & a good ring general, but I will say I hate the dude. I just wish Roy Jones Jr rematched him a lot sooner than when he did, but also that was B-Hop's doing as well as he wasn't going to leave 160 til he got beaten & Roy could no longer make the weight.
I wonder how Hop would have done vs Eubank, Benn, Collins, Jackson, Toney et al
Eubank, Benn and Toney would have all beaten Hopkins. He struggled with class middleweights, genuine natural middleweights.
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Jermain was a very good fighter until the partying caught up with him....and also the end of both of the fights vs Hopkins probably made him damaged goods.
Hopkins is who he is, he's always been a difficult fight because he's so damned cagey. He's awkward & strong & a good ring general, but I will say I hate the dude. I just wish Roy Jones Jr rematched him a lot sooner than when he did, but also that was B-Hop's doing as well as he wasn't going to leave 160 til he got beaten & Roy could no longer make the weight.
I wonder how Hop would have done vs Eubank, Benn, Collins, Jackson, Toney et al
Eubank, Benn and Toney would have all beaten Hopkins. He struggled with class middleweights, genuine natural middleweights.
Like whom?
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Like whom?
......Jermain Taylor
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He is 48 and yes he doesnt fight a dynamic style that looks like he could be on something but did Toney look like he was on them?
A year ago no one would have a bad word said against Lance Armstrong, if you did you were jealous and a hater. He has admitted now to using very suffisticated methods for years. Why would it be out of the realms of possibility for someone like Hopkins?
We have learnt with boxing when something looks too good to be true it generally turns out that way.
There was the time that Pascal asked him to take a test and Hopkins got more riled than I think we have ever seen him but gave no answer.
Hopkins Pascal II press conference steroids issue and what they have to say after. - YouTube
Also, one of the best and simplest methods to test for any substances amd is like a diary depending on how long is hair testing and Bernard shaves his head. They use hair testing commonly for new recruits in the police and other job applications but have never cottoned on in boxing. Now could this he because it is too comprehensive and they would prefer the smoke screen of pathetic urine testing?
I cant help but be suspicious of Hopkins. Years ago at middle weight he was losing it against the likes of Taylor but now years later and at a higher weight his work rate has improved?
Hopkins threw and landed more against Cloud than he did in the Taylor rematch over 7 years ago! Even against Dawson he threw more and against Calzaghe he threw more still!
I'm a lil more suspicious about the slim chance, but a chance nonetheless, that Cloud and other opponents could be paid off to let B-Hop win. I'm a huge Hopkins fan and I believe his wins are authentic, but with boxing you never know...
As far as the Taylor example, well Bernard was DRAINED down to 160 at an advanced age so he really had to conserve his energy. And Jermain Taylor was unbeaten then and a very perceived threat. He was perceived as better than he was by the press, fans and Hopkins himself.
That is really really stretching it!
Over the last year alone how many fighters have been caught cheating? Then you have the whole Lance Armstrong thing that no body could ever accept before hand he would ever dream of cheating. Do not be fooled like Armstrong fooled every one. No 48 year old beats a 31 year old world champion in boxing. There have been far better skilled fighters than Hopkins but all have deteriorated with age. Suspicious is what it is and I will not believe he is not cheating u til he proves it and he did have a chance to put rumours to bed when Pascal brought it up but chose to be looked at under suspicion instead of awe.
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He's so much smarter than Cloud he won just the way we thought he would, if Hopkins were on PEDs he would be even more dominant
Haha! Yeah right!
You lot think by anyone taking peformance enhancing drugs will instantly turn them in to superman. No. Hopkins is skillfull but he is fucking 48! Even with drugs he's not going to turn in to Mike Tyson!
To me, whatever he is taking is allowing him to work harder now than he did 8 years ago.
You dont start training harder at 48, after that many middleweight defences...
Hopkins does
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
Was George Foreman cutting his steroids with butter then?
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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Jermain was a very good fighter until the partying caught up with him....and also the end of both of the fights vs Hopkins probably made him damaged goods.
Hopkins is who he is, he's always been a difficult fight because he's so damned cagey. He's awkward & strong & a good ring general, but I will say I hate the dude. I just wish Roy Jones Jr rematched him a lot sooner than when he did, but also that was B-Hop's doing as well as he wasn't going to leave 160 til he got beaten & Roy could no longer make the weight.
I wonder how Hop would have done vs Eubank, Benn, Collins, Jackson, Toney et al
Eubank, Benn and Toney would have all beaten Hopkins. He struggled with class middleweights, genuine natural middleweights.
Benn style was fucking made for Hopkins. He would of been embarrassed.
