Re: Kirkland news, kind of.
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umm yea i'm seriously not gonna bother talkin to this brick wall, mark this one's all yours
haha, nah man, I didn't even want to respond in the first place. You can't beat common sense into some people.
Mark, it is much easier to just say "yeah he has no common sense" than it is to actually show any kind of evidence of such. So what about my posts isn't common sense? We can agree that people with violent convictions in the past should in most cases not get their gun rights back and we can agree that Kirkland should be punished for this. So the difference is that I believe we shouldn't have a blanket law disallowing felons from owning guns? Fine you can believe they shouldn't but isn't it common sense that someone who stole over $1000, cheated on taxes, or committed some other non violent offense deemed a felony shouldn't be excluded from owning a gun? Or is the problem that I said I could understand why Kirkland might want to own a gun after being robbed at gunpoint earlier this year?
And Morales, you couldn't explain what pedophiles and drug dealing has to do with any of the previous statements, instead you chose to just say I'm not listening. I'm listening I just want to hear something back related to what I was saying
it's common sense that someone (KIRKLAND) who was arrested already for a violent or crime involving a weapon (gun) for example ARMED ROBBERY, shouldn't be allowed to own a LEGAL weapon after already being CONVICTED, much less while still on PROBATION, and retard if you couldn't tell that i was just throwing other examples that are basically the same scenarios you're a lot more fucking dense than i had originally thought
Re: Kirkland news, kind of.
Kirkland is right where he should be in jail for a long long time
He had not one not two but THREE chances & blew them all. I guess once a street punk always a streetpunk.
Kirkland needs to look at Bernard Hopkins. He also did time & had boxing offer him a chance to turn his life around. Nard took the chance changed his lifestyle & with hard work look at him now .A rich young man & one of boxings true Living Legends. I dont think Kirkland posesses the heart Nard had
Re: Kirkland news, kind of.
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haha, nah man, I didn't even want to respond in the first place. You can't beat common sense into some people.
Mark, it is much easier to just say "yeah he has no common sense" than it is to actually show any kind of evidence of such. So what about my posts isn't common sense? We can agree that people with violent convictions in the past should in most cases not get their gun rights back and we can agree that Kirkland should be punished for this. So the difference is that I believe we shouldn't have a blanket law disallowing felons from owning guns? Fine you can believe they shouldn't but isn't it common sense that someone who stole over $1000, cheated on taxes, or committed some other non violent offense deemed a felony shouldn't be excluded from owning a gun? Or is the problem that I said I could understand why Kirkland might want to own a gun after being robbed at gunpoint earlier this year?
And Morales, you couldn't explain what pedophiles and drug dealing has to do with any of the previous statements, instead you chose to just say I'm not listening. I'm listening I just want to hear something back related to what I was saying
it's common sense that someone (KIRKLAND) who was arrested already for a violent or crime involving a weapon (gun) for example ARMED ROBBERY, shouldn't be allowed to own a LEGAL weapon after already being CONVICTED, much less while still on PROBATION, and retard if you couldn't tell that i was just throwing other examples that are basically the same scenarios you're a lot more fucking dense than i had originally thought
Way to sound like you can't read. I said Kirkland should be in trouble and shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, I simply said I understand why he would want one. I think arbitrarily throwing pedophiles into the conversation for no reason is retarded because it has nothing to do with anything previously written. I know you were just throwing out other examples, your examples were just bad though, like Teddy Atlas analogies. How is letting someone who gets a felony, for a non violent offense, regain their gun rights in any way parallel to letting a pedophile babysit your kids? You came up with two bad examples and now refuse to argue how they are related to felons and gun laws. If you ever figure out how to read what I wrote I'd like to find out what I said that is so insane. Quit worrying about calling me names and read what I wrote. I know it went off on a tangent talking about felons and gun laws not related to the Kirkland case, maybe that is what threw you off.
The thing that really bothered me about the thread and made me want to reply was it was the second time in the past week or two that Daxx claimed people were trying to act like thugs, Cloud first, now Kirkland, without reason. I just got off topic a bit talking about how the law works, and then it got your panties in a bunch for whatever reason. Sorry I went a bit off topic with my posts, it is a boxing forum and I went away from that part of the topic. That though is all I think was wrong with my posts.
Re: Kirkland news, kind of.
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Mark, it is much easier to just say "yeah he has no common sense" than it is to actually show any kind of evidence of such. So what about my posts isn't common sense? We can agree that people with violent convictions in the past should in most cases not get their gun rights back and we can agree that Kirkland should be punished for this. So the difference is that I believe we shouldn't have a blanket law disallowing felons from owning guns? Fine you can believe they shouldn't but isn't it common sense that someone who stole over $1000, cheated on taxes, or committed some other non violent offense deemed a felony shouldn't be excluded from owning a gun? Or is the problem that I said I could understand why Kirkland might want to own a gun after being robbed at gunpoint earlier this year?
And Morales, you couldn't explain what pedophiles and drug dealing has to do with any of the previous statements, instead you chose to just say I'm not listening. I'm listening I just want to hear something back related to what I was saying
it's common sense that someone (KIRKLAND) who was arrested already for a violent or crime involving a weapon (gun) for example ARMED ROBBERY, shouldn't be allowed to own a LEGAL weapon after already being CONVICTED, much less while still on PROBATION, and retard if you couldn't tell that i was just throwing other examples that are basically the same scenarios you're a lot more fucking dense than i had originally thought
Way to sound like you can't read. I said Kirkland should be in trouble and shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, I simply said I understand why he would want one. I think arbitrarily throwing pedophiles into the conversation for no reason is retarded because it has nothing to do with anything previously written. I know you were just throwing out other examples, your examples were just bad though, like Teddy Atlas analogies. How is letting someone who gets a felony, for a non violent offense, regain their gun rights in any way parallel to letting a pedophile babysit your kids? You came up with two bad examples and now refuse to argue how they are related to felons and gun laws. If you ever figure out how to read what I wrote I'd like to find out what I said that is so insane. Quit worrying about calling me names and read what I wrote. I know it went off on a tangent talking about felons and gun laws not related to the Kirkland case, maybe that is what threw you off.
The thing that really bothered me about the thread and made me want to reply was it was the second time in the past week or two that Daxx claimed people were trying to act like thugs, Cloud first, now Kirkland, without reason. I just got off topic a bit talking about how the law works, and then it got your panties in a bunch for whatever reason. Sorry I went a bit off topic with my posts, it is a boxing forum and I went away from that part of the topic. That though is all I think was wrong with my posts.
like i said you're as thick as a brick wall, seems to me like you're the only one not getting it...
Re: Kirkland news, kind of.
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global
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ElTerribleMorales
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Mark, it is much easier to just say "yeah he has no common sense" than it is to actually show any kind of evidence of such. So what about my posts isn't common sense? We can agree that people with violent convictions in the past should in most cases not get their gun rights back and we can agree that Kirkland should be punished for this. So the difference is that I believe we shouldn't have a blanket law disallowing felons from owning guns? Fine you can believe they shouldn't but isn't it common sense that someone who stole over $1000, cheated on taxes, or committed some other non violent offense deemed a felony shouldn't be excluded from owning a gun? Or is the problem that I said I could understand why Kirkland might want to own a gun after being robbed at gunpoint earlier this year?
And Morales, you couldn't explain what pedophiles and drug dealing has to do with any of the previous statements, instead you chose to just say I'm not listening. I'm listening I just want to hear something back related to what I was saying
it's common sense that someone (KIRKLAND) who was arrested already for a violent or crime involving a weapon (gun) for example ARMED ROBBERY, shouldn't be allowed to own a LEGAL weapon after already being CONVICTED, much less while still on PROBATION, and retard if you couldn't tell that i was just throwing other examples that are basically the same scenarios you're a lot more fucking dense than i had originally thought
Way to sound like you can't read. I said Kirkland should be in trouble and shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, I simply said I understand why he would want one. I think arbitrarily throwing pedophiles into the conversation for no reason is retarded because it has nothing to do with anything previously written. I know you were just throwing out other examples, your examples were just bad though, like Teddy Atlas analogies. How is letting someone who gets a felony, for a non violent offense, regain their gun rights in any way parallel to letting a pedophile babysit your kids? You came up with two bad examples and now refuse to argue how they are related to felons and gun laws. If you ever figure out how to read what I wrote I'd like to find out what I said that is so insane. Quit worrying about calling me names and read what I wrote. I know it went off on a tangent talking about felons and gun laws not related to the Kirkland case, maybe that is what threw you off.
The thing that really bothered me about the thread and made me want to reply was it was the second time in the past week or two that Daxx claimed people were trying to act like thugs, Cloud first, now Kirkland, without reason. I just got off topic a bit talking about how the law works, and then it got your panties in a bunch for whatever reason. Sorry I went a bit off topic with my posts, it is a boxing forum and I went away from that part of the topic. That though is all I think was wrong with my posts.
Acting like a thug without reason!?!?! give me a break. A man is charged and arrested for armed robbery and then goes and tries to get a gun again. That is acting like a thug, trying to act hard. If he wanted to "protect" himself, you move away from trouble. I know a lot of communities he could have moved to and been away from trouble. Going and buying a gun is STUPID end of story. He had a lot of people to turn to if he wanted to change his life around and fucked it up. No one's fault but his own, he was given a second chance and blew it.
Re: Kirkland news, kind of.
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Dude was robbed at gunpoint earlier this year, I know laws are laws but it is not like he pulled a gun on anyone this time. I don't get this idea that Kirkland is trying to play a thug or anything like that. I think he was trying to obtain a gun to make sure he wouldn't be letting himself be robbed again. I don't really know if I agree that felons shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons either, I mean aren't they the people most likely to be shot? They should have to get a permit like anyone else but it is pretty much a fact that if they won't let you get one legally you will have to get one illegally in order to protect yourself.
Then avoid those areas where you have a chance of being robbed, If you live in a high crime area then don't carry valuables so if it does come up nyou don't lose things of worth.
I find it funny that I am in high crime areas everyday. Jamicia Queens, Queens Bridge, Williamsburg Brooklyn, Newburgh, Troy.
I have a permit and carry a .38 Snub and have pulled it out on someone once in 15 years and that was in a decent neighborhood and it on a guy who had his tool in his hand wacking it off in front of my wife and kids.
Yet Kirkland has one encounter after another :-\
If your not hanging around the wrong crowd, acting the wrong way or doing the wrong things the situatons don't come up too often.
He has brought this all upon himself.
Re: Kirkland news, kind of.
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it's common sense that someone (KIRKLAND) who was arrested already for a violent or crime involving a weapon (gun) for example ARMED ROBBERY, shouldn't be allowed to own a LEGAL weapon after already being CONVICTED, much less while still on PROBATION, and retard if you couldn't tell that i was just throwing other examples that are basically the same scenarios you're a lot more fucking dense than i had originally thought
Way to sound like you can't read. I said Kirkland should be in trouble and shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, I simply said I understand why he would want one. I think arbitrarily throwing pedophiles into the conversation for no reason is retarded because it has nothing to do with anything previously written. I know you were just throwing out other examples, your examples were just bad though, like Teddy Atlas analogies. How is letting someone who gets a felony, for a non violent offense, regain their gun rights in any way parallel to letting a pedophile babysit your kids? You came up with two bad examples and now refuse to argue how they are related to felons and gun laws. If you ever figure out how to read what I wrote I'd like to find out what I said that is so insane. Quit worrying about calling me names and read what I wrote. I know it went off on a tangent talking about felons and gun laws not related to the Kirkland case, maybe that is what threw you off.
The thing that really bothered me about the thread and made me want to reply was it was the second time in the past week or two that Daxx claimed people were trying to act like thugs, Cloud first, now Kirkland, without reason. I just got off topic a bit talking about how the law works, and then it got your panties in a bunch for whatever reason. Sorry I went a bit off topic with my posts, it is a boxing forum and I went away from that part of the topic. That though is all I think was wrong with my posts.
Acting like a thug without reason!?!?! give me a break. A man is charged and arrested for armed robbery and then goes and tries to get a gun again. That is acting like a thug, trying to act hard. If he wanted to "protect" himself, you move away from trouble. I know a lot of communities he could have moved to and been away from trouble. Going and buying a gun is STUPID end of story. He had a lot of people to turn to if he wanted to change his life around and fucked it up. No one's fault but his own, he was given a second chance and blew it.
So we can agree that Kirkland fucked up? Buying a gun was stupid, but you can understand the psychology of wanting one if you had been robbed at gunpoint right? It's a really bad decision and is nobodies fault except his, I never argued it wasn't did I? Buying a gun is not an action that makes some one a thug, in this case it just makes him stupid. I see you negative repped me also, why is that? I never attacked you personally, never got racist or anything offensive. The only place our opinions differed, or maybe not even, is because I said not all felons should lose gun rights, only ones that involve violence or the threat of violence. I really don't see why you are trying to argue something that I already said I agreed with long ago, that Kirkland fucked up. Maybe you don't believe that someone who was robbed at gunpoint may want to own a gun? I never said it was a good idea, just what might his reasoning for a really bad choice.
Re: Kirkland news, kind of.
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Way to sound like you can't read. I said Kirkland should be in trouble and shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, I simply said I understand why he would want one. I think arbitrarily throwing pedophiles into the conversation for no reason is retarded because it has nothing to do with anything previously written. I know you were just throwing out other examples, your examples were just bad though, like Teddy Atlas analogies. How is letting someone who gets a felony, for a non violent offense, regain their gun rights in any way parallel to letting a pedophile babysit your kids? You came up with two bad examples and now refuse to argue how they are related to felons and gun laws. If you ever figure out how to read what I wrote I'd like to find out what I said that is so insane. Quit worrying about calling me names and read what I wrote. I know it went off on a tangent talking about felons and gun laws not related to the Kirkland case, maybe that is what threw you off.
The thing that really bothered me about the thread and made me want to reply was it was the second time in the past week or two that Daxx claimed people were trying to act like thugs, Cloud first, now Kirkland, without reason. I just got off topic a bit talking about how the law works, and then it got your panties in a bunch for whatever reason. Sorry I went a bit off topic with my posts, it is a boxing forum and I went away from that part of the topic. That though is all I think was wrong with my posts.
Acting like a thug without reason!?!?! give me a break. A man is charged and arrested for armed robbery and then goes and tries to get a gun again. That is acting like a thug, trying to act hard. If he wanted to "protect" himself, you move away from trouble. I know a lot of communities he could have moved to and been away from trouble. Going and buying a gun is STUPID end of story. He had a lot of people to turn to if he wanted to change his life around and fucked it up. No one's fault but his own, he was given a second chance and blew it.
So we can agree that Kirkland fucked up? Buying a gun was stupid, but you can understand the psychology of wanting one if you had been robbed at gunpoint right? It's a really bad decision and is nobodies fault except his, I never argued it wasn't did I? Buying a gun is not an action that makes some one a thug, in this case it just makes him stupid. I see you negative repped me also, why is that? I never attacked you personally, never got racist or anything offensive. The only place our opinions differed, or maybe not even, is because I said not all felons should lose gun rights, only ones that involve violence or the threat of violence. I really don't see why you are trying to argue something that I already said I agreed with long ago,
that Kirkland fucked up. Maybe you don't believe that someone who was robbed at gunpoint may want to own a gun? I never said it was a good idea, just what might his reasoning for a really bad choice.
we all fucking get it dipshit, you don't get that when Kirkland was the one who robbed someone at gun point and was caught and convicted he lost his right to have a gun and is fucked if some asshole ended up robbing his ass, the subject at hand is that James Kirkland is a dumbass, same as you
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Hey...it's a change of pace in flushability :dontknow:
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Dude was robbed at gunpoint earlier this year, I know laws are laws but it is not like he pulled a gun on anyone this time. I don't get this idea that Kirkland is trying to play a thug or anything like that. I think he was trying to obtain a gun to make sure he wouldn't be letting himself be robbed again. I don't really know if I agree that felons shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons either, I mean aren't they the people most likely to be shot? They should have to get a permit like anyone else but it is pretty much a fact that if they won't let you get one legally you will have to get one illegally in order to protect yourself.
Then avoid those areas where you have a chance of being robbed, If you live in a high crime area then don't carry valuables so if it does come up nyou don't lose things of worth.
I find it funny that I am in high crime areas everyday. Jamicia Queens, Queens Bridge, Williamsburg Brooklyn, Newburgh, Troy.
I have a permit and carry a .38 Snub and have pulled it out on someone once in 15 years and that was in a decent neighborhood and it on a guy who had his tool in his hand wacking it off in front of my wife and kids.
Yet Kirkland has one encounter after another :-\
If your not hanging around the wrong crowd, acting the wrong way or doing the wrong things the situatons don't come up too often.
He has brought this all upon himself.
It is easy to say someone should simply remove themselves from the area, but some people grow up in places and that is all they know. Thankfully you haven't had to pull your weapon anymore than that one time. I also agree that hanging with the wrong crowd has a lot to do with people getting into these kinds of situations. It does happen though, I've had guns pulled on me a few times and it was never a result of doing anything wrong or running with the wrong crowd, I just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time when it has happened. I just found it odd that you would call these two people thugs. I didn't call you out saying anything bad, simply because I thought this might be the case, we don't agree with what acting like a thug is. You likely know more about Kirkland's previous troubles and in his case maybe he does act like a thug, just not from what I've seen. Cloud on the other hand I have no idea how he was acting like a thug. I wasn't trying to draw you into this thread just referencing why I began to reply to the thread, and that I got sidetracked from that.
Re: Kirkland news, kind of.
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not sure its breaking news necessarily but kind of an assessment of the situation.
Anyway there's an article on boxingscene.
His co-manager is a lawyer and talks about his case. The problem is that he's had prior problems, was even on probation at the time, and its a federal case so there are fairly strict guidelines as far as sentencing. The federal prosecutor is asking for 45 to 54 months.
His manager is "hoping for a miracle" and that would be 18-20 months. If its less than 20 months (he already has 5 months served so it would go to 15 apparently) he could spend the last six months at a halfway house and if that happens he could train while he was there and, according to him, possibly fight.
Ann Wolfe, ODLH, etc will speak at his sentencing hearing.
wow this is sad man i hope he gets his life back together in get in the ring he was exciting!
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I really don't see the problems with any of global's posts, it seemed a fairly logical thing to say, & rather than actually discussing his argument (which could have been done), people have started just name-calling & doing some kind of gang 'I'll leave this one to you bro' thing. If you disagree with him, debate with him. I mean how the hell did we end up with paedophiles in this thread? (obviously as a subject, not suggesting any of you like fondling minors)
Anyway on the subject, I'm hoping that Kirkland gets the most lenient sentence, he did something stupid, but the facts of how he did it lead me to believe he's just an idiot rather than a danger to a society (yes I know those are often the same thing).
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Dude was robbed at gunpoint earlier this year, I know laws are laws but it is not like he pulled a gun on anyone this time. I don't get this idea that Kirkland is trying to play a thug or anything like that. I think he was trying to obtain a gun to make sure he wouldn't be letting himself be robbed again. I don't really know if I agree that felons shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons either, I mean aren't they the people most likely to be shot? They should have to get a permit like anyone else but it is pretty much a fact that if they won't let you get one legally you will have to get one illegally in order to protect yourself.
Then avoid those areas where you have a chance of being robbed, If you live in a high crime area then don't carry valuables so if it does come up nyou don't lose things of worth.
I find it funny that I am in high crime areas everyday. Jamicia Queens, Queens Bridge, Williamsburg Brooklyn, Newburgh, Troy.
I have a permit and carry a .38 Snub and have pulled it out on someone once in 15 years and that was in a decent neighborhood and it on a guy who had his tool in his hand wacking it off in front of my wife and kids.
Yet Kirkland has one encounter after another :-\
If your not hanging around the wrong crowd, acting the wrong way or doing the wrong things the situatons don't come up too often.
He has brought this all upon himself.
It is easy to say someone should simply remove themselves from the area, but some people grow up in places and that is all they know. Thankfully you haven't had to pull your weapon anymore than that one time. I also agree that hanging with the wrong crowd has a lot to do with people getting into these kinds of situations. It does happen though, I've had guns pulled on me a few times and it was never a result of doing anything wrong or running with the wrong crowd, I just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time when it has happened. I just found it odd that you would call these two people thugs. I didn't call you out saying anything bad, simply because I thought this might be the case, we don't agree with what acting like a thug is. You likely know more about Kirkland's previous troubles and in his case maybe he does act like a thug, just not from what I've seen. Cloud on the other hand I have no idea how he was acting like a thug. I wasn't trying to draw you into this thread just referencing why I began to reply to the thread, and that I got sidetracked from that.
I kind of understand what your saying mate but fact is the man has the ability to take himself out of those situations but chooses not to. He is no longer finacially obligated to staying in the areas where the trouble looms, he can make a better life for himself but rather not....Too busy playing big Willy style instead of focusing on the right thing so yes he is drawn into these things...Why have a gun if you are not near an area where you may need it....Millions and millions of people do not carry guns and they do not fall into situations where they are approached where they are put in danger....Why they stay away from the hot spots.....
If Kirkland put half as much energy into working on his defense he would be a champion already
