Why does the majority think Froch is inferior to Abraham and Kessler?

Froch is an old time lets get in and fight...No glitz no glam etc just fight...And he gets people to fall into his game BUT...Even when he is fighting his fight and his opp is fighting his fight he still seems to just get by...A fighter who gets an opp out of their game and into yours you should take command of the bout.........

I promise if Taylor did not gass he would have beat Froch...

As for him Vs Kessler I don't know Kessler is not the same fighter he used to be since the Calzaghe loss.....

AA was just overwhelmed by speed....Against Dirrell....I suspect he will have the same prob against Ward....

Froch is not too quick and he is not as strong as AA......I don't think Froch beats him...Though it will be and exciting but IMO dirty fight

The first time Froch fought what I'd call a known quantity at world level was the Taylor fight. And for the first few rounds of that Taylor completely outclassed Froch. If Taylor didn't have a stamina problem ( he didn't even try to take Froch out after he knocked him down, same as with Pavlik in their second fight) it would have been a twelve round boxing lesson. He looked to me in the early part of that fight like a British title level fighter given his big chance against a top American, not quite Lockett Pavlik but not far away.

Against Dirrell he was fighting a guy who was quite clearly shitting himself in the buildup and in the ring. If that fight was to happen again, especially in Detroit, I'd pick Dirrell to win. Whether it's because of the experience Dirrell got from fighting Froch or because he was fighting at home, and I'd suggest that this tournament so far shows there's a hell of an advantage to fighting at home, Dirrell was a different fighter against Abraham than he was against Froch. He was beating Abraham easily until he got knocked out.

As for Froch's future fights, I think if the home advantage thing continues and Kessler isn't completely shot mentally by losing to Ward then Kessler wins at a canter. He's not going to stand and fight with Froch and has the ability to just box his way to a points win. The Abraham fight is a different matter. Apparently it's going to be in Nottingham although there's just a small item on boxing scene to say that and no official confirmation. But if Abraham has to fight in Nottingham against a really hostile crowd he might not fancy it too much. I'm still going to go with Abraham though.

I think Froch as a top pound for pound guy is a little bit optimistic. He's a stong, tough fighter but he's useless against anybody with speed or real boxing ability. If he draws Ward eventually home or away he might as well not bother turning up.

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simple answer....

he`s british



the most hate for fighters on this forum tends to be reserved for the likes of calzaghe, hatton, haye, khan etc

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Well i do hate Joe Calzaghe, and im British hope this helps.

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i hate calzaghe as much as i hate marmite and the gays

But if the guy was american he would be a p4p king right now, instead he is considered nothing more than an also ran

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Funny stuff. I can't stand marmite either.

With his current style, Froch is going to have to eat alot of leather to get to the late rounds against both of these fighters or any top 5 SMW and I have my doubts he can hold up. He was tough enough and strong enough to take everything some fringe (or even bottom 10) SMWs had and was able to wear them down but when you get to the top three or even top five things are night and day. You cant have the philosophy I will take three to give one...

If Froch can tighten up his defense and stop throwing telegraphed punches he would fair better....

I've grown to like Froch more in his recent fights. He will get in there with anyone and try and force the fight and you can't knock that. Froch is limited in terms of his skills, but you can't question his heart. Abraham has gone down a little in my estimation and that is because he simply doesn't do anything for half a fight and I don't think anything will change that. Kessler is a fighter that I always held in high regard, but likewise has gone down a little in my estimation. He should have done whatever to bust up that "son of god" ram, but didn't do his homework properly. Someone like Calzaghe would always find a way even if the opponent was cheating (Hopkins) but Kessler doesn't quite have that resilience. Froch probably does have that, but is lacking some of the fundamentals. Froch is alright and I hope he does well.

Someone pass Froch the salt for his leather sandwich.

Its a moot point. Ward wins it all.

I actually like Froch because although he may have limited skills, he at least tries to put on a good show and will fight any man out there. He may barely win against the top competition, but he gives it his all which earns my respect.

I don't dislike the guy but it's hard to really judge how good froch is. He's fought absolutly no one. And damn near lost to direll on a bad night while abraham some say was coming back on him on a good one. Effort and entertaining is all fine and dandy but that not what they judges score rounds on. I say it's still up in the air when it comes to this guy.

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I don't dislike the guy but it's hard to really judge how good froch is. He's fought absolutly no one. And damn near lost to direll on a bad night while abraham some say was coming back on him on a good one. Effort and entertaining is all fine and dandy but that not what they judges score rounds on. I say it's still up in the air when it comes to this guy.

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I don't agree with that. His resume is as good as anyone's in the tourny, bar Taylor and Kessler.

Pascal, Taylor, and Dirrell are all good fighters and Froch beat every one of them (even if Dirrell did get robbed).

I don't think people think too less of him. Its just that he has those obvious flaws and he is too hittable. Against Abraham that probably won't bode well. I think Kessler is too technical for Froch and will split his wide open style all night. Froch does has tremendous heart and confidence. But thinking Froch isn't going to beat Abraham and/or Kessler isn't like saying anything bad. Those are a pair of great fighters who happened to match up well with Froch.

I personally dont rate Kessler at all

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I don't dislike the guy but it's hard to really judge how good froch is. He's fought absolutly no one. And damn near lost to direll on a bad night while abraham some say was coming back on him on a good one. Effort and entertaining is all fine and dandy but that not what they judges score rounds on. I say it's still up in the air when it comes to this guy.

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I don't agree with that. His resume is as good as anyone's in the tourny, bar Taylor and Kessler.

Pascal, Taylor, and Dirrell are all good fighters and Froch beat every one of them (even if Dirrell did get robbed).

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I'd say Froch has a better resume than Kessler, Kessler has beaten Andrade and Mundine, both years ago. He hasn't won a significant fight in about 3 years.

Taylor has Hopkins on his record which probably tops anything Froch has done, but not a whole lot else.

Oh and you saying Bute will annihilate Froch has really irritated me ;D

Froch will destroy Bute if they ever meet, the sig bet is most definitely on!

As passionate a Brit I am, I'm not sold on Froch at all, same as I'm not sold on Haye. Don't think either of them are on the level of Hatton or Calzaghe.

ICB

Your point about Calzaghe being in a weak division and not taking risks, also TOTALLY applies to B-Hop and RJJ

Abraham looked a lot worse against Dirrell then Frouch did