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Frankly, after all we've seen, can't we say that practically every boxer takes PED's, unless they are committed to year-round, random, blood and urine testing? I didn't always have that opinion, but now, I can't help but think that unless someone is transparent with testing, it is suspicious.
The only guy I'mk not suspicious about is Donaire. Hopkins could be taking EPO, which increases the amount of oxygen carried by the blood and so massively boosts stamina. All the cyclists take it. It's undetectable one hour after injecting. He could also be taking |HGH which improves recovery time and helps with injuries. Also basically undetectable. There are other things as well. Even if he is taking stuff, and he probably is, he's still an amzing fighter and a freak of nature.
I have never cared for Hopkins, his hood, his mask, his stroke across his neck, his stare downs, the way he grabs and holds, the way he holds and hits, the way he pulls his opponent's head down, the way he always tries to get that last punch in at the bell, his elbows and head butts-didn't see any against Cloud-his act of astonishment whenever he loses-with his boxing IQ he knows exactly where he stands every moment of every fight he's in-but I especially dislike the magnanimous talk he gives to everyone he beats-stick that little pep talk up your ass Bernard.
It's easy to see where I stand with The Executioner, but I have never considered banned drugs. I could be wrong-Armstrong had a lot of us fooled in the US. I have no idea, he might be tested all the time, but if he isn't, maybe he should be.
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Gotta agree. People will say "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY", but if you have even a smidge of knowledge of the PED culture, you'd know how insufficient drug testing has been.
And the more niave fans will say: "no I don't think he cheats, he seems like a nice guy".
Look at Lance Armstrong: he was a media darling his whole career. And he got away with it for 15 years or more, and only got caught because he pissed a bunch of people off and they dimed him out.
The sad fact is you really can't know for sure...
Boxing has to be the hardest sport of all. Even in a less physical sport like football/soccer you would never see a 48 year old player in a world cup.
I will not believe any fighter is clean until they do voluntary random testing leading up to a fight. Why doesnt someone go out and do some renegade testing of hair? Wouldnt be too hard to nab a hair from a brush or a pube from a shower;D
Paying attention to his fights. Every round where he's very active it's usually followed by an inactive round. He gasses and than rests up. Pascal and Cloud let him get away with it. Dawson wouldn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by rossHe may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Like I said, look at James Toney!
I am not a Hopkins fan but why don't we wait until the tests after a fight come in. In the meantime consider that Hopkins plays mind games and gets under your skin. He did prison time and that is one of the things you need to survive and quite frankly he seems to do that to everyone look at who he associates with at Golden Boy, do you think they are bosom buddies? Hopkins is a master of psyche and the next opponent should develope a hearing problem at those meetings. Some of you out there hating certain announcers turned me on to this way of thinking, turn off the volume but remember the world or the opponent is still out there, you just don't hear all those mouths.
He's so much smarter than Cloud he won just the way we thought he would, if Hopkins were on PEDs he would be even more dominant
Haha! Yeah right!Quote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
You lot think by anyone taking peformance enhancing drugs will instantly turn them in to superman. No. Hopkins is skillfull but he is fucking 48! Even with drugs he's not going to turn in to Mike Tyson!
To me, whatever he is taking is allowing him to work harder now than he did 8 years ago. You dont start training harder at 48, after that many middleweight defences...
According to compubox:-Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHe may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Like I said, look at James Toney!
Hopkins v Trinidad 653 punches thrown in 2001
Hopkins v Winky 640 punches thrown in 2007
Hopkins v Calzaghe 468 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Pavlik 540 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Dawson 2 punches thrown 400 in 2012
Hopkins v Cloud 417 punches thrown in 2013
What was your point?
Well considering our testosterone levels start to diminish naturally in our early 30s (which is why if you look back at the greats of yesterday, they were all shit by the time they were 35-40 with few exceptions), if Bhop hasn't been using hormone replacement therapy or PED's, he needs to be brought to the Smithsonian and studied thoroughly.
I think it's more a case of Hopkins living a very clean life, starting late, and looking good against mediocre fighters. Hopkins looked his age against Calzaghe or Dawson, and Ward would butcher him, but against the lethargic also-rans at light heavy he can still look like a spring chick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Hopkins vs Taylor, a fighter his own size at middleweight he threw 371. He throws less against fighters his own size but you cannot deny that from throwing 371 in 2005 when he was already 40 to throwing 400 against Dawson and 417 against Cloud 8 years later is not in he slightest suspicious?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenAccording to compubox:-Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHe may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Like I said, look at James Toney!
Hopkins v Trinidad 653 punches thrown in 2001
Hopkins v Winky 640 punches thrown in 2007
Hopkins v Calzaghe 468 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Pavlik 540 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Dawson 2 punches thrown 400 in 2012
Hopkins v Cloud 417 punches thrown in 2013
What was your point?
I'm a little suspicious but I'm not going to be all butt hurt about my guy Cloud getting beat. Hopkins can be on something and still get beaten, look at Wlad vs Wach. Wach was on PEDs and lost every single round.
Taylor was an outstanding athlete, with quick hands, quick feet, and good lateral movement. Nobody throws a lot of punches against a guy like that. It's like asking why Pacquiao's punch output drops when he fights Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHopkins vs Taylor, a fighter his own size at middleweight he threw 371. He throws less against fighters his own size but you cannot deny that from throwing 371 in 2005 when he was already 40 to throwing 400 against Dawson and 417 against Cloud 8 years later is not in he slightest suspicious?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenAccording to compubox:-Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHe may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Like I said, look at James Toney!
Hopkins v Trinidad 653 punches thrown in 2001
Hopkins v Winky 640 punches thrown in 2007
Hopkins v Calzaghe 468 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Pavlik 540 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Dawson 2 punches thrown 400 in 2012
Hopkins v Cloud 417 punches thrown in 2013
What was your point?